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Maybe I’m no longer a lone voice in the wilderness. 

In a News story posted on this site today (“Study shows cell phone use increases collision risk,” September 15, 2008) the Ontario Medical Association released a study that finds “speaking on a cell phone significantly increases the risk of collision.”  Do I believe that?  Yes, I do.  It makes sense. 

But note, however, that the study is at odds with what has actually been created into law.  So what is the law in some provinces?  (Rather than dig through hundreds of pages of legislation for several jurisdictions I’ll just rely on the CBC.  Yes, I’m lazy…

- Newfoundland and Labrador:  “It's the first province to institute a cellphone ban for drivers. Drivers can still use their phones if they are parked in a safe area — or are using a hands-free unit.” (CBC – April 22, 2003)

- Nova Scotia:  “The Nova Scotia government introduced a sweeping road safety bill on Friday that would outlaw the use of hand-held cellphones while driving…” (CBC November 23, 2007)

- Quebec: “Quebec is set to ban the use of handheld cellphones in cars and trucks…” (CBC July 5, 2007)

So what’s my point?  In my opinion using a cell phone while driving consists of at least two separate and distinct actions – 1) holding an inanimate object to your head and driving with one hand, and 2) engaging in a conversation.  The legislation in the three above provinces addresses only the first issue, and leaves the second issue alone.  In my opinion, driving with one hand while holding an object up to your head probably doesn’t make you too much of a menace.  Engaging in a detailed conversation, regardless of where both your hands are, probably does create some safety issues. 

And it appears that the Ontario Medical Association gets that too: the act of speaking – the conversation – is the part that causes the problem.  Politicians on the other hand, attack the easiest part of the issue and don’t really solve the problem. 

As for pulling off the road to use a phone, while that is obviously safer I’ve been in two close-call situations where just that came close to causing a traffic accident.  In one case a person pulled over to the shoulder of a two-lane highway to use the phone.  The only problem was that it was just after a major winter storm and there were no shoulders so she just pulled over as far as she could and stopped, blocking half the lane.  The other was a fellow who must have been expecting an important call as he drove along in the left lane.  When that call came he piled on the brakes and dove for the right shoulder causing brake lights to come on all around him. 

Call me an optimist, but there has to be a better solution to the choices made in Nfld., N.S. and Quebec. 



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FARS accident reporting system in the USA (where they actually keep stats on root causes of accidents) shows cell phone use is no more dangerous/as dangerous as talking to a passenger, eating, or fiddling with the radio while driving.

So we probably should ban drive thus, radios and make car single occupant vehicles....you know...just to make things safer....
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FARS only keeps data on crashes involving deaths.  Citing it is hardly enough evidence to say that cell-phone use while driving is safe...  Not to mention I can't actually find any data on cell phones and crashes on their website.

Link please.

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As I pointed out before, NHTSA, the collector of the FARS data, have stated that the contribution of cell phones to accidents is under-reported due to the limitations of the police reporting systems. Only two states even attempted to determine use of cell phones as contributing factors.

Pretty much every organization that has looked into cell phone use has come to the same conclusion: driving while talking on cell phones is dangerous.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2008, 07:28:27 pm by Big_Thumb »
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^^But no more so than any other "distracting" activities in a car.  (talking to passengers, eating, fiddling with radio/GPS, etc...)

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Actually, it is and they've said as much.

Passengers are aware of what's going on in the car, so react to dangerous conditions.

Fiddling with the radio or other controls is as distracting, but they found that the amount of time people "fiddle" is so much less, it doesn't contribute nearly as much as cell phone use to collisions.

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I just checked at FARS, and the database is COMPLETELY different now.  There used to be roughly 200 causes of accidents.  And not it's not like that.  It's much, much, much less accurate than before.  I mean...you could break it up by any numbers of ways...weather, road conditions, vehicle condition, traffic condition, additional causes (cell phones, etc..).  And it's very "dummied" down now.  I'll have to see if I can find the old, super-detailed one...  

Bummer...the old one was VERY, very good.  This new one?  Not so much....

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Re: Canadian Driver News Story on Cellphone use while driving - some sense at la
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 07:29:22 pm »


Donkey punch? :o



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Actually, it is and they've said as much.

Passengers are aware of what's going on in the car, so react to dangerous conditions.

Fiddling with the radio or other controls is as distracting, but they found that the amount of time people "fiddle" is so much less, it doesn't contribute nearly as much as cell phone use to collisions.



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Re: Canadian Driver News Story on Cellphone use while driving - some sense at la
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 07:56:55 pm »
Heheheh...sweetness.  If anyone likes the donkey punch, it would be Brigitte...:)

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Well..I disagree.  I think it's too much of a blanket excuse.  Would I want some people I know talking on the cell phone while driving? NO! (not sure I even like them driving, let alone while on a cell phone).  Just like would I feel comfortable with just anyone driving my 600HP Supra? NO!!  But there are some who have..includng people on this board. Whereas others (myself included) it doesn't distract me in the least.  I mean, c'mon, at any given time, there are millions (IIRC the figure was between 1-2 million in the USA) people on cell phone driving at any given time.  I just don't think it's that dangerous.

How do you police it though?  Ban everyone.  Punish everyone.  


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Re: Canadian Driver News Story on Cellphone use while driving - some sense at la
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2008, 08:00:32 pm »
Heheheh...sweetness.  If anyone likes the donkey punch, it would be Brigitte...:)

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You mean like the guy talking on his phone and kept drifting in and out of his lane next to me the other day.   He didn't collide with me and die.  So it must be safe.  :)

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Those that deny that the use of cell phones when driving is not detracting from the driving remind me of those who used to deny that cigarette smoking caused cancer. That was a popular trend in the '50s when Camel cigs even had an advert claiming that the majority of MEDICAL DOCTORS preferred to smoke Camels over other brands.

Same twisted logic IMO.  ::) ::)
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You mean like the guy talking on his phone and kept drifting in and out of his lane next to me the other day.   He didn't collide with me and die.  So it must be safe.  :)


You mean like the hundreds of people I drive beside everyday who DON'T drift into my lane?

You're right...it MUST be safe.... ;D

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Those that deny that the use of cell phones when driving is not detracting from the driving remind me of those who used to deny that cigarette smoking caused cancer. That was a popular trend in the '50s when Camel cigs even had an advert claiming that the majority of MEDICAL DOCTORS preferred to smoke Camels over other brands.

Same twisted logic IMO.  ::) ::)

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I’m not perfect and do answer my phone while driving depending who is calling and the traffic around me. But I will not deny that is does not affect my concentration level.

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Those that deny that the use of cell phones when driving is not detracting from the driving remind me of those who used to deny that cigarette smoking caused cancer. That was a popular trend in the '50s when Camel cigs even had an advert claiming that the majority of MEDICAL DOCTORS preferred to smoke Camels over other brands.

Same twisted logic IMO.  ::) ::)

:iagree: 100%

I also agree that kids/conversation etc can be distracting, but cell use is easily controlled, turn it off, one less distraction, one less fatality...


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