Topic: Toyota managing to match Ford's quality.

[Cord]

On the Toyota frame issue - who actually made the frames?  Was it Toyota, or is this farmed out, like others do?

Is that asked just out of curiosity or are you thinking it would mitigate some of Toyota's blame if they were farmed out?

[Zoo]

Has Ford NA ever designed desirable cars?

You tell me:





And don't forget the Taurus SHO.

The Mustangs are still awesome cars. The Fusion is very competitive in the mid sized segment. The Focus may well be awesome but after all the issues in the first couple of years I am still wary of them.

[Cord]

The Focus may well be awesome but after all the issues in the first couple of years I am still wary of them.

Are you referring to the recalls of the first couple of years? The ones from 7-9 years ago?

If so, are you wary of Honda Civics for the same (but much more recent) reason?

[Zoo]

The Focus may well be awesome but after all the issues in the first couple of years I am still wary of them.

Are you referring to the recalls of the first couple of years? The ones from 7-9 years ago?

If so, are you wary of Honda Civics for the same (but much more recent) reason?

Early Focus were pretty awful based on my own anecdotal evidence as well as from reading Lemonaide Guide and reading posts on here as well. I can't speak for newer Civics; but I know many around here with 7'th gen Civics and other than our trannie issues with our 2001 all the 7'th gen Civics I know are essentially troublefree. I can't say the same for people I know with Focus.

Again, I am open to the fact that the newer Focus might be a great car.

[Alex29]

Again, I am open to the fact that the newer Focus might be a great car.

And many other...