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2010 Ford Taurus ST
« on: May 29, 2008, 02:07:03 pm »
350 HP twin turbo V6...sounds interesting.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-taurus-st.html
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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 02:15:43 pm »
We've been told to expect a zero to 60 time in the low-to-mid 6-second range.

My Tundra will do that.   :)

Ford needs to come up with something that can make them some money, like a Corolla/Camry.  In 2009 there will be zero market for a gas guzzling twin turbo charged V6 Taurus that has no more accleration than a Tundra.    :P
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 02:20:49 pm by articsteve »

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 04:05:25 pm »
You are loosing it ArticSteve :bounce:
You post a Tundra to Taurus comparo?
What relevance does a trucks 0-60 times have to do with Cords posting.

Its quite obvious you would be the last one on this forum to get excited about anything Ford or domestic,
so why post such a silly post just to post?

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 05:07:59 pm »
so why post such a silly post just to post?

For the same reason you do  :)

What relevance does a trucks 0-60 times have to do with Cords posting.

 ::)   maybe because acceleration is the whole point to a twin turbo charged V6 and according to the article the claim is "We've been told to expect a zero to 60 time in the low-to-mid 6-second range."   which is mediocre or as I said, the same as my floating Tundra barge.

So I ask you who is going to buy this thing  ??? ..... Estonians  :bang:

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 06:01:29 pm »
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You are loosing it ArticSteve
You post a Tundra to Taurus comparo?
What relevance does a trucks 0-60 times have to do with Cords posting.

It does make sense in a way. The Tundra is the most sporting vehicle offered by Toyota so it would be the natural comparison to any other performance oriented vehicle.

I'm looking forward to his Tundra vs. G8 and 300C comparo.

No wait, I hope he does Tundra vs. RX8 first.

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 06:18:24 pm »
Face it Ford ppl  :D; the Taurus will be about as successful as the 500 was and a turbo charged V6 in the summer of 2009 is not what the market will be looking for.  Pending some amazing product innovation, Ford NA is in deep sh*t. 

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 06:58:47 pm »
Well they sold 535 Tauri (not counting Taurus X) in the first 4 months of the year compared to 301 Avalons, so they aren't doing too bad in the segment.

'Course if you want to compare truck sales, it was 23845 F-series vs 3667 Tundras. :-[

Fanboys aside, Ford seems to have pulled up their socks in the product developments. Will be interesting to see.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 07:01:15 pm by Big_Thumb »
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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2008, 07:09:00 pm »


Fanboys aside, Ford seems to have pulled up their socks in the product developments.

Based on what?  The Euro cars that aren't coming over here?  A Taurus that's 2-3 years away?  2-3 years is a lifetime in the auto world.  What is Ford going to do until then??  They have nothing of note, apart from the Flex which I think they'll sell plenty of...
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2008, 07:16:00 pm »
Well the fundamentals are pretty good:
- financially, they are making small profits again.
- 41 of 44 models are average or above in this years Consumer Reports reliability survey.
- The Focus is selling well despite criticism.
- The Fusion, the Edge, the Escape, F-series, and even the MKZ and MKX continue to sell well.
 - The Verve Fiesta, new Taurus, revised Fusion and new Focus are 2010 models, so will be out sometime in the next year.

Seems fairly upbeat to me.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2008, 09:23:34 pm by Big_Thumb »

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2008, 07:39:38 pm »
0-60 over five seconds is worth publishing?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2008, 11:37:28 pm »
financially, they are making small profits again.

Ford is always stating profit predictions that never come true.  When is the last time Ford turned a profit .... 10 years?  Meanwhile Toyota made 12 BILLION profit for period ending March 31/08.

Toyota, the largest Japanese carmaker, posted a 17.2 percent jump in net profit to a record ¥1.37 trillion, or $12.32 billion, in the fiscal year that ended on March 31, enough to make it the world's most profitable manufacturing company. Toyota is also the world's 10thmost-profitable publicly traded corporation of any sort, behind Microsoft.   :)

Automotive News Europe
May 23, 2008 06:01 CET
UPDATED: 5/22/08 12:45 p.m. EDT

Ford Motor said Thursday it is making sweeping cuts to North American production and retreated from earlier profit outlooks, now saying it doesn't know how soon it expects North America to be profitable.
Ford said it is cutting production in North America by 15 percent in the second quarter from the same period a year ago, dropping output by 20,000 units to 690,000 vehicles.

The automaker also said it plans to build between 510,000 and 540,000 units in the third quarter, down 15 to 20 percent from the same period last year. Fourth-quarter production is expected to be between 590,000 and 630,000 units, down as much as 8 percent from a year ago.

"The challenge affecting the entire industry is the accelerating shift in consumer demand away from large trucks and SUVs to smaller cars and crossovers -- combined with a steep rise in commodity prices and the weak U.S. economy," CEO Alan Mulally said in a statement.

Ford surprised the industry by turning a first-quarter profit earlier this year and had said several times that it was on track to return to profitability in 2009. But the automaker took a step back today from its earlier outlook.

Mulally told a group of reporters in a teleconference that the company is gathering more data and trying to get a solid idea of how U.S. customer demand will shake out. He said Ford will say more in July about its profit projections for North American operations.

"Unless there is a fairly rapid turnaround in U.S. business conditions, which we are not anticipating, it now looks like it will take longer than expected to achieve our North American automotive profitability goal," Mulally said in the company statement.

Executives said today that they now expect North America and the entire automotive business to post a loss in 2009. They said they expect the total company to break even in 2009 before taxes and special charges. With charges and taxes, Ford now is likely to post a net loss in 2009.


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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 12:21:41 am »
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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2008, 02:51:10 am »
0-60 over five seconds is worth publishing?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

In a non-luxury large sedan?  Yeah, I'd say it's noteworthy.  Not groundbreaking (due to the G8 and Charger), but certainly noteworthy.

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2008, 02:57:25 am »
You are loosing it ArticSteve :bounce:
You post a Tundra to Taurus comparo?
What relevance does a trucks 0-60 times have to do with Cords posting.

Its quite obvious you would be the last one on this forum to get excited about anything Ford or domestic,
so why post such a silly post just to post?


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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2008, 04:18:25 am »
^^Wow...first the sarcastic remark in the A3 thread, and now this.  Keep it up Mitlov and I might actually start to think you have a personality!   ;D



Oh..and I understood his comment about "0-60 over five seconds is worth publishing?" a bit differently.  I agreed with that comment..only because the car has 350+ HP...so 0-60 in the low to mid 6's for that kind of power is just so-so.
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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 07:13:49 am »
They had a $100M profit last quarter and a $750M profit in the second quarter last year. Their per vehicle margins are improving. Not bad for a company writen off by many in a declining market.

As I did some poking around, and they are sandbagging the 0-60 times for the Taurus ST. A test mule is running right around 5 seconds.

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 10:29:20 am »
Oh..and I understood his comment about "0-60 over five seconds is worth publishing?" a bit differently.  I agreed with that comment..only because the car has 350+ HP...so 0-60 in the low to mid 6's for that kind of power is just so-so.

It all depends on how big it is, whether it has extensive sound deadening, etc.  An Audi A6 4.2 FSI does 0-60 in the mid 6's with its 350hp engine, according to the stuff I googled quickly.  If the Taurus is a big flagship sedan, competing with everything from the Lucerne to the Genesis, and costs in the low $30s in the US, I think 350 horsepower and low-to-mid 6s are completely worth advertising.  It's one hell of a change from the Mercury Grand Marquis, no?

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2008, 11:52:56 am »

They had a $100M profit last quarter and a $750M profit in the second quarter last year. Their per vehicle margins are improving. Not bad for a company writen off by many in a declining market.

That came solely from their financing arm, Ford Motor Credit.  Now that profit stream is dead thanks to the sub prime mess.  Essentially, their manufacturing operations in NA run at a perpetual loss.  The bad times are just starting for Ford NA.

As I did some poking around, and they are sandbagging the 0-60 times for the Taurus ST. A test mule is running right around 5 seconds.

Could use a link.  Besides I think it is all moot.  By this time next summer the US consumer will be in worse shape and gas prices even higher and Ford will cancel this very lame idea.  :)

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2008, 12:00:24 pm »
Could use a link.  Besides I think it is all moot.  By this time next summer the US consumer will be in worse shape and gas prices even higher and Ford will cancel this very lame idea.  :)

Says the guy who never ever posts links himself to his secret insider information about Toyota's upcoming products...

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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus ST
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2008, 12:06:21 pm »
Thought you had pledged not to post from work ..... or this a sick day for ya.   :D

You will see a $10,000 Toyota beater car hit showrooms in the not so distant future.  The invasion is only beginning.  :)