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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2008, 12:03:11 pm »

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2008, 04:01:07 pm »
^^I agree.

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2008, 04:05:43 pm »
bio diesel could be part of a solution but the side effect of using more farmland to produce fuel is that it forces prices of food commodities to rise worldwide. this isn't a big issue for wealthy nations but for the most vulnerable and poorest nations, inflationary food prices have a huge impact.
Yes, but inflation on the fuel has the same effect. No win in this case.

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2008, 04:23:11 pm »
Oil and foreign oil?  Does it matter?  Yes.  Why?

We must do two things.  We must reduce our overall comsumption of oil, be it for plastics, automotive use, or whatever.  This will result in...

1. Increased stability in short-term pricing.  Price shocks can drive an economy into recession faster than Cheney could say "Wanta go duck huntin?" to Obama.

2. Reduce the amount of spending in the economy overall going to oil.  There is hundreds of billions of dollars in North America right now that goes nowhere but into the hands of a small group of oil companies.  Yes, the province of Alberta has low unemployment, but overall, the sheer number of people benefitting from the high prics is tiny compared to the overall population of the nation.

3. By reducing the amount of purchases of foreign oil, we reduce cash outflows that cross our border.  Keep our money at home!

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2008, 02:21:04 am »
bio diesel could be part of a solution but the side effect of using more farmland to produce fuel is that it forces prices of food commodities to rise worldwide. this isn't a big issue for wealthy nations but for the most vulnerable and poorest nations, inflationary food prices have a huge impact.
Start by converting crops like tobacco to bio diesel friendly crops. Isn't algae being used for some bio diesel? Use recovered water from treatment plants to grow it.
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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2008, 02:30:14 am »
Hemp rules for biodiesel....
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2008, 08:11:19 am »
Hemp rules for biodiesel....
  the happiest motorist on the block ?   :P
Please don't eat while driving
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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2008, 08:51:24 am »
Yes, but inflation on the fuel has the same effect. No win in this case.

demand and price for fuel, whether it be bio or fossil fuel, is a completely separate issue from using limited crop areas to produce fuel in place of food.   good points johngenx.
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How? You stated that the increase in bio-fuel will lead to an increase in food costs, due to the depletion of food supplies. So, we can lower fuel prices, by adding more supply to the market, via the bio-fuel route, but that will cause limited crop space to be used for fuel rather than food.

In either case the pressure on fuel or food will cause prices to increase. Since all countries now rely heavily on both goods to live, inflation is simply unavoidable.

IMO.

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2008, 10:06:01 am »
Food costs are going to rise. 

We transport the majority of our food over vast distances, consuming fossil fuels.  As the price of the fuel increases, so will the price of the food.

Or, we try to replace the fossil fuels with bio fuels and put pressure on the food supply, raising prices.

As for gasoline prices, I love watching the news.  Gas went up to $1.29 here yesterday, so of course there is the at-the-pump interviews.  Typically showing some SUV or peecup driver facing some >$100 bill.

Who caused these high prices?  Oil companies?  Governments?  Nope.  We did.  On my street of 25 houses, there are perhaps four cars capable of less than 10L/100km in city driving.  The majority of the vehicles are not capable of less than 15L/100km in city driving.

What about stagflation?  The 78-83 oil shocks caused it, and adjusting for inflation, we're higher then then.  Well, there are some differences.  Back in 1980, no one was willing to bite the bullet for higher energy bills.  Employess demanded higher wages to compensate and the rising wages coupled with rising prices sent the BoC insane and interest rates went through the roof.  In 2008, wages have been increasing slowly, with consumers shrugging their shoulders are just spending a greater percentage of their income on gasoline.
However, prices will rise thanks to the massive cost input that oil is.  The real worry is that even if workers accept stagnant wages, the combination of inflation and recession will lead us into 1980 stagflation once again, and if the BoC reacts according to policy, we could see some seriously high interest rates.

However, the Fed in the US has tried to preserve consumer spending ahead of controlling inflation by cutting rates.  The Repubs are doing everything in their power to keep the economy afloat enough to stand a chance in the election.

There is good and bad to that.  Massive debt loads by consumers have left the economy incredibly sensitive to interest rates, so the Fed knows that the only way to keep people spending is to keep rates low.  BUT, there is the problem that people are spending money they don't have, and might never have.  Subprime crisis Part II?

Canada is far from immune.  We don't have the mortgage crisis, but we have massive consumer debts too.

Hold your breath, it's going to be a wild ride...

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2008, 03:47:48 pm »
Wow... has this gotten off the topic or what...  ;)  What's a Jetta...?
But since we are off the Jetta, and on consumer spending, and if you have time check out: story of stuff dot com.  I live in Canada and work in US, and the amount of 'things' that ppl purchase here is unbelievable compared to Canadians.  I know that we (Canadians) complaint about prices of good and cars vs the US, but when I look at the financial health of an average Canadian vs American, I'll take the 'EY any day...  Consumer debt is major problem here, now with the economy sliding, this should be a pretty nasty domino affect.  People already default on the house loans, chances are that cars are next... and then the 70 inch LCD that was purchased on a 'don't pay till 2020'.  I can only assume things  will get worse before they get better...
Oh yeah, and I'll still look at the Jetta when it's at the dealers  :P


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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2008, 06:55:30 am »
Just to be topical here.  Todays Financial Post has an article about the repo business in Canada and "subprime" car loans at 18 to 32%.

As a retired guy I watch this possible stagflation scenario with  horror. I lived through some of that in the UK years ago.

f the BOC has to have high interest rates it may appear to benefit me but what use is that if the rest of society is living on the street.


As for the Jetta's mileage.   As was pointed out by Jgx early in the thread.  In real mpg or l/100 km it is a seriously economical car and equally importantly, if bought with the DSG gearbox, it will maintain that economy in city driving and on the highway.  Is it economical with diesel at $1.41/litre.... I dunno, but is anything economical at that sort of price.

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2008, 02:20:45 pm »
..OUR chickens are coming HOME to roost.....we in N America have enjoyed a Disneyland nay Cinderella 20 years of cheap Fuel and consumer goods,including food.....NOW the rest of the WORLD (well a BIG chunk O'IT) is bidding on the same GOODIES....LIVE WITH IT......wot was that story about the 7 FAT YEARS then the 7 LEAN YEARS!!! :think:.................. :bang:.... Maybe the end of "OBESITY" in ALL of it's FORMS..... :shuffle:
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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2008, 05:11:34 pm »
Diesel is around $1.37 around here, 87 is $1.27
Most people on the TDIClub get more then the EPA ratings
I guess in a couple of months we will be seeing some really life values on the net

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2008, 07:36:38 pm »
i am missing something here.  why is diesel more than petrol???   as i understand it even the ulsd is cheaper to refine.
because they can
I believe a year ago, diesel was $0.25 cheaper then 87

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2008, 11:47:53 am »
Good point... if it's less 'refined' then why is it more expensive...
Are the US automakers pushing this because European guys plan Diesels across all brands. 
This can only last so long since truckers are eating up most of the cost and hence we are playing for everything.

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2008, 11:56:49 am »
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Good point... if it's less 'refined' then why is it more expensive...

Ever heard of supply and demand? Cost of production is only one component in determining the final price of any retail product.
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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2008, 05:23:15 pm »
 ::) How dare U.... :P....and reduce MY DIVIDENDS........... :nono: :bang: :shake:....d'ya know the price O' Golf Balls these days.... :rofl2:  I walk my rounds 95% of the times,but there are Solar powered Golf Buggies ya Know...so U can be GREEN SIDE wif ENVY if ya wish..... :)
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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2008, 10:26:45 am »
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420r06017.pdf

on the 16th page it shows a table II.A-1 the EPA labeling for diesel is off by 18.3%
So what does mean ???
Wait and see that people are really getting

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2008, 05:28:47 pm »
For some awkward reason, EPA is underestimating diesels and overestimating gasoline engines.  ???

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Re: 2009 JETTA TDI 30/41 mpg
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2008, 06:25:15 pm »
My new Altima is rated 34 city / 45 Highway, today I got 39 combined.  My speeds are 90 on secondary roads and 115 on 4 lane highways. Needless to say I`m extremely pleased and it may get better as it only has 2000km.  I truly believe the CVT has everything to do with this, and it`s so dam smooth and quiet.