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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4240 on: May 16, 2022, 08:29:20 am »
9.6L/100kms on my last fill of the CX-5.  That's my usual mix of shorter city trips interspersed with a few short highway jaunts to our local provincial park.  I fully expect that to get much worse in the winter - I'm expecting 12-13L/100kms during the winter.

Here's hoping we get 7.5-8L/100km on our BC trip (leaving tomorrow!!!  ;D )

What was the Mazda3 getting under similar conditions?

So, the Mazda3 was getting 7.5-8.5L/100kms under similar conditions to what I just ran the CX-5 this week.  During the winter months, it would get low 10-11.5L/100kms.  When I drove to Dauphin to buy my bike, the Mazda3 returned 5.5L/100km.

It would appear that the CX-5 equals about a 2L/100km penalty.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4241 on: May 16, 2022, 10:13:36 am »
Sounds about right.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4242 on: May 17, 2022, 11:59:35 pm »
Topped up the Yukon, 546 km, 70.44 liters, 12.9 liters/100 km or 7.75 km/liter. Not bad at all.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4243 on: May 18, 2022, 12:04:56 am »
So, I'm averaging about 8L/100kms.  Cruise set at a steady 120km/h. 

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4244 on: May 18, 2022, 12:20:41 am »
So, I'm averaging about 8L/100kms.  Cruise set at a steady 120km/h.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4245 on: May 18, 2022, 01:21:27 am »
Topped up the Yukon, 546 km, 70.44 liters, 12.9 liters/100 km or 7.75 km/liter. Not bad at all.

not bad for an XL. 5.3?


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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4246 on: May 18, 2022, 08:11:47 am »
9.6L/100kms on my last fill of the CX-5.  That's my usual mix of shorter city trips interspersed with a few short highway jaunts to our local provincial park.  I fully expect that to get much worse in the winter - I'm expecting 12-13L/100kms during the winter.

Here's hoping we get 7.5-8L/100km on our BC trip (leaving tomorrow!!!  ;D )

What was the Mazda3 getting under similar conditions?

So, the Mazda3 was getting 7.5-8.5L/100kms under similar conditions to what I just ran the CX-5 this week.  During the winter months, it would get low 10-11.5L/100kms.  When I drove to Dauphin to buy my bike, the Mazda3 returned 5.5L/100km.

It would appear that the CX-5 equals about a 2L/100km penalty.

I recently submitted my 4th review of a Mazda equipped with the turbo 2.5. This engine has a drinking issue, even when you're not prodding it. I had a CX-5 2.5t for a month (in winter) and only managed 12.9 in strictly urban use. The recent one is a CX-30, almost all highway this time, never dipped below 9.3.
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4247 on: May 18, 2022, 08:58:50 am »
Topped up the Yukon, 546 km, 70.44 liters, 12.9 liters/100 km or 7.75 km/liter. Not bad at all.

not bad for an XL. 5.3?
Yes an XL 5.3. It's 95% highway in the GTA but a lot of the time the highways around the GTA are stop and go.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4248 on: May 18, 2022, 09:02:17 am »
9.6L/100kms on my last fill of the CX-5.  That's my usual mix of shorter city trips interspersed with a few short highway jaunts to our local provincial park.  I fully expect that to get much worse in the winter - I'm expecting 12-13L/100kms during the winter.

Here's hoping we get 7.5-8L/100km on our BC trip (leaving tomorrow!!!  ;D )

What was the Mazda3 getting under similar conditions?

So, the Mazda3 was getting 7.5-8.5L/100kms under similar conditions to what I just ran the CX-5 this week.  During the winter months, it would get low 10-11.5L/100kms.  When I drove to Dauphin to buy my bike, the Mazda3 returned 5.5L/100km.

It would appear that the CX-5 equals about a 2L/100km penalty.

I recently submitted my 4th review of a Mazda equipped with the turbo 2.5. This engine has a drinking issue, even when you're not prodding it. I had a CX-5 2.5t for a month (in winter) and only managed 12.9 in strictly urban use. The recent one is a CX-30, almost all highway this time, never dipped below 9.3.

Glad I don't have the turbo in my Mazda.  Maybe I'll change my tune when we're crossing the Rockies, though.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4249 on: May 18, 2022, 10:38:46 am »
12.9 is a lot. The RX with its V6 does better than that in the winter, and it weighs an extra 500 lbs

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4250 on: May 18, 2022, 11:35:31 am »
The proliferation of small displacement turbo blender engines is because they can "cheat" the EPA fuel economy tests but in the real world there is little improvement over larger NA engines.
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4251 on: May 30, 2022, 08:46:00 am »
Got some great fuel economy data on our road trip:

I fueled up directly before leaving, and directly after coming home, so this data is literally ONLY the roadtrip.  It contains ALL the driving we did, which I would guess was about 90 - 95% highway, and 5-10% city driving - through Kelowna/Penticton, and then 5 days driving around Calgary.

In total, we drove 4257.02 kms (in 11 days).  We burned 335.27 liters of fuel, giving me an average fuel economy of 7.88 l/100km for the entire trip.  I spent a total of $624.41 on fuel - I had budgeted $800 - $1000 for fuel, so I came out ahead. 

Some interesting things I noted:
On the drive from Winnipeg to Calgary, I held our speed at 119km/h (easy to do - speed limit on the TCH is 110km/h, and it's generally deserted - nobody to get in your way).  Day 1 (May 17th, Winnipeg to Regina - 8.05 l/100km) was nice weather with a moderate wind from the South, but on day 2 (May 18th, Regina to Calgary - 8.79l /100km) the weather deteriorated, and we had a strong west wind.  That wind died down the closer we got to Calgary. 

Driving through the Rockies was a pleasant surprise.   On the 20th, we drove from Calgary to Penticton.  I would have expected fuel consumption to rise driving through the mountains, but on the stretch from Calgary to Revelstoke, through Kootenay National Park, Radium Hot Springs, Golden, and through the Roger's Pass, fuel economy actually improved significantly to 6.97 l/100km.  Our average speed was probably about 105km/h (90km/h speed limit through the parks, 100km/h through non-park areas, and I typically did 9km/h over the speed limit, where traffic allowed - and I was getting passed a LOT - Albertans drive crazy fast through the rockies).  Through the Okanagan (Revelstoke to Penticton, including city driving in Kelowna), my average climbed a little to 7.33L/100km.  Speaking of, Kelowna is a pain in the ass to drive through.  Highway 97 doesn't bypass the city at all, end you end up driving on surface streets from one end of Kelowna to the other.  We happened to be driving through during rush hour on a Friday - Added an hour to our total trip time. 
Penticton to Calgary was a little worse, as we got 7.67L/100kms, but we also did a few days driving around Calgary before refuelling on the 25th, so there is some city mileage in there.  Overall, I was surprised by the increased fuel economy in the Rockies - I suspect lower average speeds, and a lack of headwind in any direction. 

Calgary to Winnipeg (through Drumheller), I got an average of 7.53 l/100km - 1.26 l/100km better than on our way out.  It's not quote Apples to Apples, as from Drumheller to Regina, we took smaller regional highways where the speed limit was generally 100km/h, so I was doing 109km/h.  Having a South Wind, rather than a direct headwind was a help, too. 

The GoC fuel economy estimate for the 2019 CX-5 AWD (2.5NA) is 7.9L/100kms on the highway.  At 7.88L/100kms avg for the whole trip, I came pretty close to matching that number exactly, but with a little bit of city driving, and higher speeds mixed in.  I possibly only once or twice felt the need for more power (like from a CX-5 2.5T),  but on the whole, the 2.5NA was perfectly competent on hustling a loaded down CUV along prairie highways and through steep mountain passes - and it returned excellent fuel economy while doing so. 
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4252 on: May 30, 2022, 11:23:16 am »
Nicely done!

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4253 on: May 30, 2022, 11:33:25 am »
That's really good. Must be a pretty big fuel consumption delta between the 2.5 NA and the 2.5 turbo, never seem to hear anything good about the turbo fuel economy wise

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4254 on: May 30, 2022, 11:55:48 am »
That's really good. Must be a pretty big fuel consumption delta between the 2.5 NA and the 2.5 turbo, never seem to hear anything good about the turbo fuel economy wise

That appears to be Blueprint's opinion. 

I'd love to drive a 2.5T, just to see what all the extra power feels like in a vehicle this size, but I don't think I'd like to OWN one, especially not with fuel prices being what they are. 

The 2.5NA is perfectly competent, in that it has just the right amount of power.  No excess, which makes for a very boring, uneventful drive. 
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4255 on: May 31, 2022, 05:31:22 pm »
May 23rd, I drove from Fargo, ND to Pembina, ND. 

Speed limit is 75 mph and I kept to that, except for one burst to 87 mph.

The Corolla returned 6.0 L/100 km, likely aided by the 18 mph tailwind.

At 75 mph, the engine was spinning just over 3,000 rpm.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4256 on: May 31, 2022, 05:47:53 pm »
May 23rd, I drove from Fargo, ND to Pembina, ND. 

Speed limit is 75 mph and I kept to that, except for one burst to 87 mph.

The Corolla returned 6.0 L/100 km, likely aided by the 18 mph tailwind.

At 75 mph, the engine was spinning just over 3,000 rpm.

Considering the speed you were travelling...pretty impressive.
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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4257 on: June 01, 2022, 11:40:26 am »
Now you guys all know what kind of fuel economy I get in the GMA. After 48 hrs in a basic Forte5 EX (2 litre four with CVT), I'm at an even 6.0 l/100 km, after being in the 5's on day 1. Efficient little thing, and quite un-CVT in its behavior.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4258 on: June 09, 2022, 03:05:20 pm »
Tracked the first 1,000 kms after the trip to pick up the Civic Si.  So for this 1,000kms I drove 20% highway, 15% secondary roads (speed limits around 80) and 65% city.  I’m extremely happy with an average of 6.1L/100kms for this but I tend to be a pretty efficient driver regardless.  I could probably hyper mile it and get it into the 5’s but I enjoy those fun shift lights too much.

I can’t imagine there is a vehicle that is equally fuel efficient and fun to drive.

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Re: Real-world fuel consumption
« Reply #4259 on: June 09, 2022, 03:31:46 pm »
I continue to be very impressed with the economy of your new Civic!