Topic: Real-world fuel consumption

[rrocket]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

8 speed tranny...very efficient V8...relatively light car...not 100 percent city.

Not to mention that beige 'rolla granny pushing Ron's bumper for several miles down the highway trying to get him past 80 

It's hard to get to 80 with the tires smoking the whole way.....

[TheHire]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

My V8 Lexus sees 10s if I don't try, and 9s if I do... and that's with a six-speed auto and 277,000km on the clock.

[TheHire]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

Where Ron lives doesn't count as city by any means - most roads have limits around 80km/h and there's virtually no traffic.

[rrocket]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

Where Ron lives doesn't count as city by any means - most roads have limits around 80km/h and there's virtually no traffic.

That's only on the county...

I travel to the city daily for work though....and dropping the kid off at school..which is frequently very busy in that part of the city.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

Where Ron lives doesn't count as city by any means - most roads have limits around 80km/h and there's virtually no traffic.

That's only on the county...

I travel to the city daily for work though....and dropping the kid off at school..which is frequently very busy in that part of the city.

Dropping your kid off at school 
Does that make you a helicopter parent
 have you been taking lesson from John 

[Bubba]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

Where Ron lives doesn't count as city by any means - most roads have limits around 80km/h and there's virtually no traffic.

60 km/h speed limit roads filled with traffic lights on my way to work.

[TheHire]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

Where Ron lives doesn't count as city by any means - most roads have limits around 80km/h and there's virtually no traffic.

That's only on the county...

I travel to the city daily for work though....and dropping the kid off at school..which is frequently very busy in that part of the city.

I mean yeah, but it takes you 30+ minutes to get to the actual city, and even then - Windsor still doesn't get nearly the amount of traffic that actual cities do. I've been there in rush hour countless times.

[rrocket]

Dropping your kid off at school 
Does that make you a helicopter parent
 have you been taking lesson from John 

There's no buses out here. There's also no local high school here.

Apart from that, it's drop him off at school or home school him! LOL [emoji38]

[rrocket]

Wtf, how?  How is a Sonata getting 10's in normal city driving, and a V8 Lexus is getting 9's with spirited driving?

Where Ron lives doesn't count as city by any means - most roads have limits around 80km/h and there's virtually no traffic.

That's only on the county...

I travel to the city daily for work though....and dropping the kid off at school..which is frequently very busy in that part of the city.

I mean yeah, but it takes you 30+ minutes to get to the actual city, and even then - Windsor still doesn't get nearly the amount of traffic that actual cities do. I've been there in rush hour countless times.

I'd venture that you've never been by any of the high schools here...all single lane crap near residential single lane crap.

And don't go anywhere near Chrysler during any of the shift times....and avoid anywhere near downtown.

The new parkway (off the 401) that allows you to get to the bridge has made a tremendous difference in traffic, that's for sure! And the new bridge being built will make it better yet.

There's certainly not the volume of traffic compared to the larger cities that's for sure. But a consequence of that is most roads are single and occasionally double lanes...so busy. I mean...even the main road into downtown proper (once you get there) is STILL a single lane.

But yea....I'm thankful it's not a quagmire like in TO. There's traffic here..but not bumper to bumper crawl for minutes and minutes (hours? ) on end.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Dropping your kid off at school 
Does that make you a helicopter parent
 have you been taking lesson from John 

There's no buses out here. There's also no local high school here.

Apart from that, it's drop him off at school or home school him! LOL [emoji38]

Aren't the school supposed provide bussing for everykid
It is not like your Are in Northern Ontario

[rrocket]

Dropping your kid off at school 
Does that make you a helicopter parent
 have you been taking lesson from John 

There's no buses out here. There's also no local high school here.

Apart from that, it's drop him off at school or home school him! LOL [emoji38]

Aren't the school supposed provide bussing for everykid
It is not like your Are in Northern Ontario

I can assure you there is no bus from here to his school.

Even for his classmates who live in Windsor, they get driven to school or have to pay for a bus transit pass...and the school definitely doesn't pay for that either.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Dropping your kid off at school 
Does that make you a helicopter parent
 have you been taking lesson from John 

There's no buses out here. There's also no local high school here.

Apart from that, it's drop him off at school or home school him! LOL [emoji38]

Aren't the school supposed provide bussing for everykid
It is not like your Are in Northern Ontario

I can assure you there is no bus from here to his school.

Even for his classmates who live in Windsor, they get driven to school or have to pay for a bus transit pass...and the school definitely doesn't pay for that either.

I figure in Windsor if public transportation the kids can take that ,
I thought if you are in the country they are suppose provide busing for the kids

[mlin32]

For the week-end distance drive from Frankfurt/Main to Metz (57), distance of roughly 280km each way and in both instances, average of 6,4 l/100km.

ø speed Friday was 90 km/h (1 road-work, 2 accidents in Germany plus usual rush hour)
ø speed Sunday evening was 100 km/h (1 road work, but I also capped cruising speeds and there was a heavy rainstorm near the US Air Base).

A little sad that I had to hold back a bit due to fuel costs on the two open stretches where I historically put the pedal to the metal- it's where I miss the old NA inline-6 from my previous BMWs. The 1,6 litre gulps quite a lot of fuel (over 12 l/100km ! ) when cruising at 170-190 km/h whereas when I had the E90 I could effortlessly maintain the same speed around 10 l/100km 

The benefit comes in urban driving. With urban stop-and-go in Metz (city core) I could do no worse than 10 l/100km.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

So, I got an average of 20L/100kms this weekend pulling the trailer up to Grand Beach.  22L/100km on the way there, at about 110km/hr, and then 18L/100km on the way back, at about 100km/hr. 




For reference, pulling the same trailer, with bikes on the roof of the van, I would get about 14L/100km.  So, the truck is definitely worse.

BUT, (and this is huge) with the van, you definitely knew you were pulling a trailer.  The trailer felt heavy behind the van, and the van would get pushed around a lot by the trailer.  Performance felt sluggish, and forget about passing maneuvers.  It was tiring to drive.  The trailer was just tall enough that I couldn't see over top of it with the van's rearview mirror.

In contrast, the Tundra is so big and powerful, that at times I forgot I was towing.  The effect of the trailer on the truck is negligible.  The trailer doesn't push the truck around at all, and while an extra 2500lbs does certainly impact performance, the big V8 still had PLENTY of reserve power, and never once felt strained (which makes sense, considering the trailer isn't pushing the truck's capabilities at all).  Plus, I could see over top of the back of the trailer, and use my rearview mirror without any problems. 

So, yes, I burned more gas towing with the truck that I would with the van, but the experience in the truck was so much better.  I could definitely do a 13-14hr drive in the truck pulling the trailer, while in the van, I was done after about 8hrs of driving...it was just that much more tiring.

[dkaz]

Yea when I was pulling the tent trailer with the Sienna in the mountains in January, I got 15 L/100km but I knew I was towing something and could barely do 80 km/h up some grades.

Have things gotten better? Nope I just maxed out my new tow vehicle and still know that I’m towing something lol.

[EV-Light]

So, I got an average of 20L/100kms this weekend pulling the trailer up to Grand Beach.  22L/100km on the way there, at about 110km/hr, and then 18L/100km on the way back, at about 100km/hr. 




For reference, pulling the same trailer, with bikes on the roof of the van, I would get about 14L/100km.  So, the truck is definitely worse.

BUT, (and this is huge) with the van, you definitely knew you were pulling a trailer.  The trailer felt heavy behind the van, and the van would get pushed around a lot by the trailer.  Performance felt sluggish, and forget about passing maneuvers.  It was tiring to drive.  The trailer was just tall enough that I couldn't see over top of it with the van's rearview mirror.

In contrast, the Tundra is so big and powerful, that at times I forgot I was towing.  The effect of the trailer on the truck is negligible.  The trailer doesn't push the truck around at all, and while an extra 2500lbs does certainly impact performance, the big V8 still had PLENTY of reserve power, and never once felt strained (which makes sense, considering the trailer isn't pushing the truck's capabilities at all).  Plus, I could see over top of the back of the trailer, and use my rearview mirror without any problems. 

So, yes, I burned more gas towing with the truck that I would with the van, but the experience in the truck was so much better.  I could definitely do a 13-14hr drive in the truck pulling the trailer, while in the van, I was done after about 8hrs of driving...it was just that much more tiring.

Shocking difference...the Mini got 4.5 down the same road, but I was headed to Victoria...


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[UnknownJinX]

Got my best tank a few weeks back at S2S run.

Still floored it a few times, driving at around 110 km/h, and it's fairly close to the EPA rating so I am not worried.

[johngenx]

Worst highway tank in memory in the Corolla today coming back from Robson Park. Drove 120 quite a bit and fought a serious headwind.

6.4L/100km.

[random006]

On the other hand, I just recorded my best at 6.4 l/ 100 km.  It’s all a matter of perspective, isn’t it? 





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[me_2]

Driven 425 km today, was raining on my way back home (so, not my best fuel average)

Dry road
10.3kWh / 68.4km => 15kHw /100km
+ once battery depleted, dry/Wet/Damp pavement
20.25L / 357.2 km => 5.67L/100km

$1.36 electricity (10.3kWh + 20% loss x $0.11/kWh)+  $31.96 super (20.25L x $1.578/L) = $33.32 / 425.5 km => $7.83 / 100 km