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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2008, 02:20:03 pm »
But, being number 2 in worldwide sales does not equal chapter 11 as artic believes foolishly.

GM operations in different countries are separate legal entities.  Consequently, GM's US operation can enter Chapter 11 independently.  Chapter 11 in the US is used often to restructure companies and burn creditors, labor unions and in this case, dealers.  It will happen. Because of the Iraq war and oil 2008 and 2009 are going to be bad for all the car companies, but brtual for the habitual money losers who have no reserves and scant product.


Interesting, and funny. Oh wait, your serious aren't you?

I love this one:

"it will happen" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I guess your short term memory is affecting you AGAIN. GM came as close as it gets to Chapter 11 when the UAW sat down at the barganning table to iron out the latest contract. A long strike would have PROBABLY done in GM..... (and the UAW at the same time)

NEWS FLASH: the strike didn't happen. GM got the contract it needed.

So why would GM need to go Chapter 11 now to restructure? oh sorry - thats right to burn "creditors, labor unions and in this case, dealers" lol you gotta love it!

Are the skies all blue for GM - no.

But to say they are going into Chapter 11 in 2009, based on this:
"Because of the Iraq war and oil 2008 and 2009 are going to be bad for all the car companies, but brtual for the habitual money losers who have no reserves and scant product."

is just, well, stupid.

Please explain how GM has "scant product"?

Are they making money? no, not yet. But...... they aren't going chapter 11 anytime soon!

To sum it up:

When GM does not go Chapter 11 in 2009 and you are proven wrong AGAIN, will you admit you haven't a clue?

blah blah blah Toyota blah blah blah I feel your pain; you've got a GM, it's worth squat and you owe on it. 

Dude, if the displacment is EXACT, it's not "all new".  The intake is different, the VVT is now on both sets of valves  In the automotive world "all new" often means somewhat different

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2008, 08:10:49 am »
http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-four-cylinder-prototype.html
Spies in Sweden snapped photos of a prototype that appears to be a next-generation Buick LaCrosse, but there's more going on here than meets the eye. According to a check of the prototype's license plate information, the car is registered to Saab and was built by Holden. The car is also listed as having a 260 hp engine four-cylinder — the type GM officials have hinted might show up in the Pontiac G8 and other large cars.


GM vice chairman Bob Lutz told Leftlane that such a model was under development at the 2008 New York Auto Show, and these photos appear to be confirmation. According to the car's wrap sheet, it's powered by a 260 horsepower engine and weighs about 300 pounds less than the Pontiac G8 GT.

Lutz indicated that the Holden-derived Chinese market Buick Park Avenue would also be powered by the same 260 horsepower 2.0L turbo four found in the Pontiac Solstice GXP, Saturn Sky Red Line, Chevrolet HHR SS and Cobalt SS, due to China's graduated taxation system which drastically increases on engines larger than 2.0L.

Despite the engine being in a car that is "seemingly way too big," Lutz says the engine "[feels] just great."

The combination of the smaller displacement engine — which is a third of the size of the Pontiac GT's 6.0L V8 — and lighter curb weight could see the these sedans post fuel economy numbers in the low 30s.

With ever-rising fuel prices and stricter CAFE regulations, it might not be long until we see a four-cylinder powered G8 on our shores.


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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2008, 02:26:31 pm »
1) even if GM goes into Ch 11 (very unlikely), the US government would never allow all those jobs and an American icon to be lost.  Too many lobbyists in Washington paid by GM to let that happen.

Example:  In the 80's, Harley Davidson was poised to keel over (no bad thing IMO...) due to alledged "dumping" of Japanese product.  Ronnie Regan and his cronies set up a tarriff system that virtually eliminated price advantages for the Japanese and, well look at Harley today.....



2) I find it humorous that a lot of keystrokes have been wasted on a debate about something nobody has any expereince with (yet).  I'd like to test drive a Malibu 2LT with the 6-speed even though it's a slushbox.  Seems my left knee is saying enough after 30 years.......let you know results asap.

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2008, 02:37:37 pm »
1) even if GM goes into Ch 11 (very unlikely), the US government would never allow all those jobs and an American icon to be lost.  Too many lobbyists in Washington paid by GM to let that happen.

Chapter 11 in the US is a restructuring instrument. Delphi, a former GM subsidiary and now GM's major supplier is still in Chapter 11.  Still operating, but employees now make 1/3 of their old compensation package.

Chapter 11 is a very real possibility for GM's US operation given the long recession ahead and the oil crisis.

US government is broke.  Their challenge is to keep the "banks" open like Bear, Stearns.  The Chinese will come in and buy GM's US operation and just sell everything out of Wally World where everything else from China is flogged.  :P

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2008, 08:47:41 pm »
Just more dribble you are spewing stating that Delphi is GM's largest supplier as its not at all. They are only one of thousands of suppliers to GM and they basically have divested themselves of them as well. You spew a lot of nothingness for a person who has never worked for this Company or even sells their vehicles on your used trailor lot. Do you honestly feel that the rest of the world knows nothing about this company and yet you are the supreme expert. Some of us have and still actually work there but you have never but know it all. "Ya Right"   :(

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2008, 09:07:01 pm »
Just more dribble you are spewing stating that Delphi is GM's largest supplier as its not at all.

Apr 05, 2008 (Chicago Tribune - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX News Network) --

General Motors Corp. entered 2008 looking like the domestic automaker most likely to show solid financial results in North America.

That was before a strike shuttered supplier American Axle six weeks ago, sales fell steadily and now a group of investors has pulled out of a deal that would have allowed the automaker's largest supplier, Delphi Corp., to emerge from bankruptcy.

The last pothole opened Friday, when the investment group led by Appaloosa Management LP terminated an agreement to provide $2.55 billion of the $6.1 billion financing Delphi needs to exit bankruptcy as early as next week.

Appaloosa cited unfavorable financial arrangements caused in part by the tight credit market. GM, which had agreed to lend Delphi $2.8 billion as part of the deal, said it would continue to support Delphi's efforts to emerge from bankruptcy.

Delphi's struggle affects GM because of their historical ties. Once Delphi, spun off from GM in 1999, exits bankruptcy GM will be free to seek new suppliers that can provide parts at lower cost. Before Delphi filed for bankruptcy in October 2005, GM said, its cost penalty with Delphi was $2 billion a year.

GM spokeswoman Renee Rashid-Merem wouldn't say what the premium is today, but Burnham Securities analyst David Healy estimated it has shrunk to $500 million per year as Delphi has sold off portions of it business. "It's still significant, and there are still some benefits to come," Healy said.

This is the second time Delphi's exit has been delayed by credit issues. In December it asked for a three-month extension to file a reorganization plan when it couldn't arrange $5.2 billion in financing.

"The timing is just unfortunate. Credit is tight, and banks don't want to lend," said Healy, calling Delphi "GM's ghost that just never dies."

But GM faces more immediate issues from the 11 percent decline in U.S. sales in the first quarter and the strike at American Axle and Manufacturing Holdings Inc. that began Feb. 26. The latter has idled seven truck assembly plants, one passenger-car plant and 22 GM parts operations.

A plant that builds the Chevrolet Malibu, one of GM's hottest-selling cars, could be the next to close.

Though GM insists the strike hasn't affected sales--it reports a 118-day supply of light trucks, twice the amount considered normal--Healy estimates GM lost 100,000 units of production in the first quarter.



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Your level of knowledge and understanding relating to the current automotive world is ZIP.  ::)

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2008, 08:09:15 pm »
When did the 09 camry debut? ???
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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2008, 09:52:25 pm »
So you found out how to underline a sentence but does that mean what you are saying is true Steve. Not at all in my mind or many more of us on her as well. GM is a lot larger then you realize and will never allow yourself to learn about or even understand. 2.5 Billion is chump change that they spend in a day and have many times in the past. It does appear that I no longer am the only one who has figured out what you really know about the GM corporation, definitely less then 0000 as I spent over 30 years there and yet you claim who have never spent a sec there to be the supreme expert on this Corporation. Its a shame that you don't learn to get along with other posters on here instead of trying to bait them and slander their views when you don't even back up the recalls on your own faverite products. Of course your brand never has recalls at all.  :) ;D :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: Just trucks loads in the last year or so tho.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #88 on: April 28, 2008, 12:32:49 am »
and here I thought you had gone and turned over a new leaf after the "troubles" a few months back.   :)

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #89 on: April 28, 2008, 08:13:30 pm »
I have but its obvous you haven't at all have you? Still slamming companies you know nothing about as usual.  :( :( :( ::)

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #90 on: April 28, 2008, 08:54:29 pm »
It's too bad GM didn't get this trannie in the Malibu earlier. Hopefully this combo will prove reliable. This is exactly the sort of product GM needs to start selling in earnest to turn the ship around.

My biggest beef though is that you need to option the car through the roof to get the 6 speed trannie with the 4. This would be a trickly sell against a Camry LE.

Hopefully the 4 speed auto will go "bye bye" and the 6 speed will be the only trannie option for either engine at some point.

I will watch with interest to see how this powertrain holds up. If it proves reliable it would make a great used car buy (due to the depreciation GM products suffer these days).

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #91 on: April 30, 2008, 10:43:34 am »
But to say they are going into Chapter 11 in 2009, based on this:
"Because of the Iraq war and oil 2008 and 2009 are going to be bad for all the car companies, but brtual for the habitual money losers who have no reserves and scant product."

is just, well, stupid.

Please explain how GM has "scant product"?

Are they making money? no, not yet. But...... they aren't going chapter 11 anytime soon!


GM reports 1st-quarter loss of $3.3 billion

DETROIT - General Motors Corp. struggled to a $3.3 billion first-quarter loss, due in part to a weak U.S. market, a strike at a major parts supplier and plummeting sales of sport utility vehicles and pickups

In light of the results, GM revised its U.S. sales outlook for the year. The Detroit automaker now expects total U.S. sales in the high 15-million range, down from the low 16-million range at the beginning of this year.

“We want to run our business conservatively. We want to be realistic,” said Ray Young, GM’s executive vice president and chief financial officer.

Young said GM expects the second quarter to be a tough one for the industry. He said GM continues to predict a recovery in the second half of the year, although it will not be as robust as the company believed at the beginning of this year.


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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #92 on: April 30, 2008, 11:55:28 am »
But to say they are going into Chapter 11 in 2009, based on this:
"Because of the Iraq war and oil 2008 and 2009 are going to be bad for all the car companies, but brtual for the habitual money losers who have no reserves and scant product."

is just, well, stupid.

Please explain how GM has "scant product"?

Are they making money? no, not yet. But...... they aren't going chapter 11 anytime soon!


GM reports 1st-quarter loss of $3.3 billion

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ahem - you still haven't answered my question above regarding 'scant product'

and maybe you need to read up on what is going on with GM as it is not all doom an gloom based on this quarter:
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/04/30/general-motors-gm-reports-lower-than-expected-first-quarter-lo/

Shares of the nation's largest automaker, General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), have been soaring in premarket despite posting a large first quarter loss, as the company surprised Wall Street by reporting a smaller than expected loss per share.
For the quarter, General Motors said it swung to a loss of $3.3 billion, hurt by continued weakness in U.S., waning demand for its sport utility vehicles, and a supplier strike. The company stated that the strike, which started two months ago at American Axle and Manufacturing Holdings Inc. (NYSE: AXL), came with charges that totaled $800 million, and slashed vehicles production by 100,000.

Weighed down by those costs, GM posted a net loss of $5.74 per share, compared with a profit of 11 cents a share a year-earlier. However, excluding one-time items, the automaker reported a loss of 62 cents per share. Going into today's earnings announcement, analysts had been expecting the company to show a much higher loss of $1.60 per share.

General Motors posted a decline for its first quarter revenue, which dropped to $42.7 billion from $43.4 billion a year earlier. The good news is that the company had a great performance in its markets outside the United States, with particular strength in China, Brazil, Russia and India. The bad news is that vehicle sales fell in North America, hurt by the current weak economy. Losses from for its remaining investment in finance company GMAC also dragged down GM's quarterly revenue numbers.


As of right now GM stock is UP over 11 percent. Again.... Chapter 11? WHY again artic, why now?

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #93 on: April 30, 2008, 01:17:55 pm »
As of right now GM stock is UP over 11 percent. Again.... Chapter 11? WHY again artic, why now?

Chapter 11 is bad for creditor, suppliers, employees.  Not so bad for the company's assets.  Maybe ppl smell a Chinese player looming as a major stakeholder. 

Some things gotta give because the free fall in the US is just starting.

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #94 on: April 30, 2008, 02:50:51 pm »
As of right now GM stock is UP over 11 percent. Again.... Chapter 11? WHY again artic, why now?

Chapter 11 is bad for creditor, suppliers, employees.  Not so bad for the company's assets.  Maybe ppl smell a Chinese player looming as a major stakeholder. 

Some things gotta give because the free fall in the US is just starting.

'Maybe ppl smell a Chinese player looming as a major stakeholder' - my goodness, honestly? why do you write this crap?

GM had a bad quarter. BUT not nearly as bad as what the investment community thought it would. That is why the stock has gone up today - not some 'mystery Chinese investor' LOL

Haven't you laid enough ground work for looking stupid with all the Chapter 11 crap already? Why bother to continue?

The thing that has to give is YOU - by starting to look at the larger picture, remembering the past, and learning about cars and car manufacturers before you write things that simply are WRONG.

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2008, 05:42:20 pm »
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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #96 on: April 30, 2008, 06:51:10 pm »
The thing that has to give is YOU - by starting to look at the larger picture, remembering the past, and learning about cars and car manufacturers before you write things that simply are WRONG.

Oldsmobile Returns!

Nearly four years to the day that the final Oldsmobile rolled off the assembly line in Lansing, Michigan, comes word that Oldsmobile is back. More startling than the announcement itself is its origin -- not from Lansing, not from Detroit, not from Michigan, not even from anywhere in North America.

A statement from Tokyo, of all places, reports that Toyota has secured rights to the Oldsmobile name. Asked for comment, GM is remaining extremely tight-lipped on the issue at the moment while presumably trying to sort out internally what oversight allowed this to happen -- and who to can for it.

Oldsmobile IntrigueA Most Egregious Oversight

Toyota officials have stated that GM's copyright on the Oldsmobile brand name expired midway through 2006. In the midst of the constant corporate shuffling underway in the domestic automotive juggernaut, somehow responsibility for renewal slipped through the cracks and the name floated around untethered for almost a year before someone at Toyota noticed. The unsubstantiated -- at this point -- story is that the alert came from the astute nephew of a still-confidential executive, who works as a clerk in the U.S. Copyright Office.

The Toyota exec saw an opportunity, and the rights to the name were scooped up by Toyota for a nominal re-filing fee -- just $5000. As Toyota pushes upmarket -- the Avalon and Highlander can both reach above $40,000, while a loaded Sequoia can eclipse $60,000 -- the question has been raised repeatedly just how much the American public is willing to pay for a vehicle with the same badge as a $12,000 Yaris. Toyota took note of the rapid failure of the Volkswagen Phaeton and does not wish to find itself in the same situation.

According to Bob Carter, general manager of Toyota USA, Oldsmobile will fill the gap between Toyota and the company's luxury flagship brand, Lexus. "Oldsmobile is an established and respected luxury nameplate." Carter says, "We fully realize this acquisition is unconventional, but the opportunity to immediately acquire over 100 years' worth of brand recognition couldn't be missed.
 
"It's a shame," Carter said, "that a company with the proud history of Oldsmobile ever left the market, and we feel that Toyota can establish the same sort of sufficiency with the Oldsmobile brand as we have with Lexus and Scion."

A New Twist On the Same Oldsmobile Ideal

Citing Oldsmobile's greatest successes as a slightly upmarket and sportier alternative to its Chevrolet and Pontiac cousins, Carter said that the name will be applied to today's American performance-oriented luxury vehicles -- SUVs. Asked if the iForce V-8 in the Sequoia will be renamed Rocket for Oldsmobile applications, Carter scoffed. "Toyota is a company that looks forward, not back. The past can inspire us, but we can never relive it. We will not mire ourselves in bygone days."

And so Toyota is sticking with names from recent Oldsmobile history, so as not to alienate the young, upwardly mobile customers it is targeting. Bravada and Intrigue are names that will be familiar to the target demographic, affixed as they will be to the RAV4 and 4Runner SUVs, respectively.

"Bravada was the last big hit for Oldsmobile under its past ownership, and we believe it can be the first for the brand under our tutelage," Carter said. "And Intrigue was a product that was just gaining its footing when the brand was canceled. That name still has momentum, and we can capitalize on that."

No 442, but How About an 88?

The farthest reach into Oldsmobile history will be for the flagship vehicle, to be based not on the Toyota and Lexus flagship Land Cruiser/LX570, but the gargantuan Toyota Sequoia SUV. As Carter explains, "Land Cruiser is an established luxury nameplate that exists almost entirely outside of what is otherwise Toyota. It has its own customer base, which is extremely loyal, and there is simply not room for an Oldsmobile between the Land Cruiser and LX570."

The Sequoia, on the other hand, currently has no luxury counterpart. That will change when Oldsmobile launches its Super 88, the company's most blatant indulgence in the past. But there is some cleverness behind the name, as Carter points out it also pays homage to the fabled Oldsmobile 442 muscle car, in which the number stood for four-barrel carburetor, four-speed manual transmission, and dual exhaust.

Oldsmobile Super 88Super 88, according to Carter, will now refer to eight cylinders in the engine and eight gears in the transmission, as the eight-speed automatic from the Lexus LS-series luxury sedan will be adapted for use in this truck. The massively powerful Sequoia is already fast enough to humiliate its new Oldsmobile namesake -- we recorded 0–60 mph in just 6.6 seconds and a quarter-mile of 15.2 seconds and 92 mph with the six-speed automatic -- so Carter says the flexibility of the eight-speed will be exploited to endow the range-topper with the fuel economy of a much smaller vehicle.

Carter wouldn't say if Oldsmobile would get a version of the Tundra pickup with which the Sequoia shares its underpinnings, but did hint that Toyota has paid close attention to the Lincoln Mark LT, which is a Ford F-150 wearing Lincoln-look front sheet metal and a Navigator-style interior.

Old-School Rocket for the New Oldsmobile

Toyota's final nod to Oldsmobile's past will be in the selection of its logo. For decades, Oldsmobile used a succession of rocket-themed emblems, and Toyota chose to resurrect that from Oldsmobile's most profitable time -- the red rocket of the 1980s. "Oldsmobile's rocket reached its zenith in the eighties," Carter says, "selling over 1 million units and becoming the third-best-selling brand in all of the U.S. That's the Oldsmobile we are proud of, and that's the Oldsmobile we wish to recreate."

This development could not come at a more ironic time, as General Motors desperately battles Toyota to retain its North American sales crown. Like the Boston Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees in 1920 brought about decades of frustration for Ruth's former team, Toyota is poised to turn GM's once-great weapon against its former owner. With an impressive engineering commitment and a delicate balance of reverence for the past and ambition for the future, we may be witnessing another Curse of the Bambino.

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Re: 2008 Malibu LTZ 2.4/6speed AT - better FE than 09 Camry and 08 Accord
« Reply #98 on: April 30, 2008, 08:14:41 pm »
(I think he thought it was a serious article).

Kind of embarrassing.
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