Author Topic: Natural gas line install info.... (Read 16821 times)

dr_spock · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2008, 07:31:51 pm »

Is copper tubing on the outside to your local building code? I thought outside gas pipes should be wrought iron or steel? Does your city or town require a permit and/or licensed installer?

wing · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2008, 09:01:14 pm »

I don't know... last time a licensed guy came and put in copper on the outside. I talked to another guy he didn't seem to think it was a problem just he didn't like it.

tpl · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2008, 09:22:02 pm »

Quote from: wing on April 21, 2008, 04:07:40 pm

Outside to Outside would be a better solution for me, although it seems dangerous to me -- now you have an open pipe outside with no shutoff? eek

I'd rather have my gas leaks and explosions OUTSIDE my house if that's ok

And thats why you use IRON pipe not soft copper tubing that can be cut and dented
easily.....the new stainless steel stuff is pretty tough but I suspect it ain't cheap... and it is bright yellow.

barrie1 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2008, 10:24:14 pm »

It will have to be at least K copper which is refrigeration grade copper and depending on the distance should probably be at least 1/2" as well. You will need a shutoff valve on the inside and outside as well as one near where the BBQ will join on to the actual curly cable on the BBQ itself. The size of the copper will depend on the BTU output of the BBQ and must be either buried or at least tagged every few feet with special gastags as well. They clearly state this is gastags on the line. Without a permit on the line its possible you may not have any insurance by doing this job yourself. I will look it up in the book to-morrow to get the actual specs for you Wing. How far does it have to travel outside as I need to know that and how many BTU's is your barbie as well.

wing · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2008, 10:26:21 pm »

Not sure on the BTU's but it has to go 35' which is pretty far. Funny the gas guy did none of those things you mentioned, should be the same code in all of ontario you would think.

rrocket · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2008, 10:27:30 pm »

Just run it through a garden hose. Just be sure to wear Nomex while you are grilling....

mar1990 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2008, 11:14:49 pm »

Pool heaters are usually tapped outside right off the meter, and remain outside. I would expect there to be a shutoff valve right at the start of the run, near the meter.

Did you get a card from the first guy when he did your dryer?

While I would never try to install my own gas line, it is of my opinion that TSSA this is nothing but a money generating scam in the back pocket of the service companies.

The latest regulation just enforces that. The new TSSA code was that the plastic venting must have a certain marking on it. Otherwise when the appliance is replaced, the venting must be replaced. If it hasn't melted in the past, why is it an issue now?

dr_spock · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2008, 11:52:30 pm »

Here is a link to a pipe sizing guide.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/natural-gas-pipe-sizing-d_826.html

This brings back memories of fluid mechanics class.

safristi · « **Reply #28 on:** April 22, 2008, 06:07:15 pm »

"fluid mechanics" is that the lunchtime 6 PAK..

JBrill · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2008, 09:32:10 am »

Quote from: tpl on April 21, 2008, 09:22:02 pm

Quote from: wing on April 21, 2008, 04:07:40 pm
Outside to Outside would be a better solution for me, although it seems dangerous to me -- now you have an open pipe outside with no shutoff? eek
I'd rather have my gas leaks and explosions OUTSIDE my house if that's ok
And thats why you use IRON pipe not soft copper tubing that can be cut and dented
easily.....the new stainless steel stuff is pretty tough but I suspect it ain't cheap... and it is bright yellow.

I simply painted the bright yellow stainless steel pipe to match my brick colour, took two minutes with a can of Tremclad.

wing · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2008, 10:13:33 am »

Well, I talked to another gas guy. He quoted between $300 - $400 due to the location.

I've decided to sell my NG BBQ and get a Propane one. My BBQ is 3 or so years old anyways I've already replaced the igniter and the burners were not even anymore.

I'll sell it for a piece of chocolate cake or something -- I'm going to offer it to the woman that bought our house, she needs one and I can guarantee it will fit and no need to run hose

ktm525 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2008, 12:12:24 pm »

Quote from: wing on April 23, 2008, 10:13:33 am

Well, I talked to another gas guy. He quoted between $300 - $400 due to the location.

I've decided to sell my NG BBQ and get a Propane one. My BBQ is 3 or so years old anyways I've already replaced the igniter and the burners were not even anymore.

I'll sell it for a piece of chocolate cake or something -- I'm going to offer it to the woman that bought our house, she needs one and I can guarantee it will fit and no need to run hose

Not a bad idea. The cost of BBQ's has really tumbled the last few years. I picked up a Broil King Sovereign XL for $700 last summer. The only downside is a grill this size really sucks the juice.

Allen · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2008, 12:20:10 pm »

go for a Napoleon, their excellent, I just bought a new one and its great

http://www.napoleongrills.com/

safristi · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2008, 12:22:37 pm »

who da **** needs a $700 BBQ!!!!............that's fer tha PITS......in Alabama......and restauranteurs.......hell there are umpteen sub $300 units that can burn and cancerize yer BEEF just as well..............threw out ma $99 'cue this week...3 years ..approx 200 plus "meals" on it.......the side burners and half acre surfaces with 3 burners get olde reale quicke unless yer feeding 20 people all weekend around yer Muskoka cottage...

mrthompson · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2008, 12:45:17 pm »

My father is still using his 15 year old Thermos BBQ. The igniter still works! He sprays it with WD-40 each fall prior to putting the BBQ away for the winter. It has the original grate, but the burner has been replaced twice. He might retire it next year.

I have a 6 year old Thermos...with working original igniter. No need for side burners...that's what the stove in the kitchen is for.

wing · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2008, 12:49:13 pm »

Yeah I badly wanted a side burner last time and a rotisserie burner.

Used the rotisserie twice, worked well the second time, first time was just a mess.

The side burner I used maybe a handful of times when it was REALLY hot and humid and we didn't want to boil water in the house.

ktm525 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 23, 2008, 01:57:53 pm »

Quote from: safristi on April 23, 2008, 12:22:37 pm

who da **** needs a $700 BBQ!!!!............that's fer tha PITS......in Alabama......and restauranteurs.......hell there are umpteen sub $300 units that can burn and cancerize yer BEEF just as well..............threw out ma $99 'cue this week...3 years ..approx 200 plus "meals" on it.......the side burners and half acre surfaces with 3 burners get olde reale quicke unless yer feeding 20 people all weekend around yer Muskoka cottage...

I thought for $700 I was being frugal. I routinely have 15+ relatives hanging around for food.

mrthompson · « **Reply #37 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:03:34 pm »

I suppose it's cheaper than moving!

mrthompson · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:51:48 pm »

"My eyes! The goggles, they do nothing!"

dr_spock · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2008, 04:41:46 pm »

Dear God...

Author Topic: Natural gas line install info.... (Read 16821 times)

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