Topic: CD Article: 2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI

[Gloria]

The talk is that VW will be going to a chain for all there new cars. I believe that they will be going to a chain. A lot of the VW's have already made the transition from belt to chain. For those who are wanting to know they say that the longevity of the chain is far superior. It would be wise for VW to do so especailly on the TDI because those drivers that are drivering 50k per year will be out of warranty in 2 years and changing there belts ever 2 years. I am super excited to see these new TDI's. They are saying that these new engines should give us 10% better mileage, I feel that this is something to get excited about.

[quadzilla]

The talk is that VW will be going to a chain for all there new cars. I believe that they will be going to a chain. A lot of the VW's have already made the transition from belt to chain. For those who are wanting to know they say that the longevity of the chain is far superior. It would be wise for VW to do so especailly on the TDI because those drivers that are drivering 50k per year will be out of warranty in 2 years and changing there belts ever 2 years. I am super excited to see these new TDI's. They are saying that these new engines should give us 10% better mileage, I feel that this is something to get excited about.

They are saying that these new engines should give us 10% better mileage

I thought it was better than that or did you mean vs the last version of the TDI? Isn't the cost of diesel about 10-20% higher than regular gas now?

[Gloria]

I meant vs the last one!!! This is just speculation at this point, they are in the process of finishing the testing so we should have results soon.

[jcon]

I thought it was the same engine that's available in the UK? Shouldn't we have some numbers already?

[Gloria]

It is the same engine that is in Europe however with the different Diesel that we have over here, the mileage is going to be different. I heard there speculations right from VW Canada.

[MKII]

Consumption #s listed here in Estonia for the Jetta 2.0TDI

MT  (AUTO DSG)
  l/100km
City 7,1 (8,0)
HWY 4,8 (5,0)

[sirAQUAMAN64]

sat in a Jetta SportWagen today at Don Valley VW. Roof appears to be Jetta-like not Rabbit/GTI-like

Funny how that happens...The Jetta Wagen is more Jetta like.

I think that was the same dealer I was at last week.

Do you think they will add the 2.0T to the engine choices?

They have blue one inside and red outside? It's on Eglinton E of the DVP.

As JSCC mentions the Jetta Wagon is the Golf Estate/wagon elsewhere, but being built in Mexico should have expected it to have the Jetta's roof height. It could have the Rabbit's roof height, but the Pana Roof cuts into more headroom so hard to tell. All I know is with the conventional sunroof the Rabbit offers more space than the Jetta.

The US offers the SportWagen 2.0T and is talking about adding a GLI Wagon in addition to the TDI Sport sedan (looks and equipped somewhat like a GLI inside and out but with chrome grille) that I don't think Canada will offer which I find strange seeing as it'd be an interesting/perception-changing take on diesel. In 2004 Canada offered the Jetta TDI Sport which sold well but the US didn't, so maybe it's their turn now?

US '09 TDI Sport...

[Gloria]

The fuel mileage looks right but like I said they are not confirmed. We are hoping to get 10% fuel mileage over the 1.9, which I believe had stats similar to the ones that you just posted.

[MKII]

The 1.9TDI numbers are not much lower,
MT (Aut DSG)  l/100km
City 6,7 (7,6)
HWY 4,5 (5,0)

But the 2.0TDI is 50kg heavier.

SirA, I cannot see any difference between the Golf Estate and what NA is calling the Jetta Estate. Its the same car, different name. http://www.saksa-auto.ee/golf/variant/galerii

[lostcomma]

It's now September of 09 and these products are actually in the showroom. I
 wonder if anybody who posted here actually bought one?
These units will probably get worse mileage than the previous editions as most
ULSD autos lose at least some efficiency. Funny that tier 2 bin 5 gasoline units
often get better mileage. Part of this would be increased weight as all cars in
recent years are heavier. Not that this is bad as part of the girth comes from
safer cars.
I'll curtail my use of sarcasm as to the pricing of these units. Only found  in
 Jetta's as to increase the profit margin. I just wonder if they will every put this
in a Golf probably not in this model year

[Datrain]

I just bought the 2009 VW Jetta TDI and I am unhappy with the fuel economy. I drive a mix of highway and city, I would say half and half and I am only getting 750km per tank. I find this really disappointing when they say it should get 1200 to 850km per tank. I mean the average would be 1025km and that is what I would expect out of it. Don't get me wrong the car is really nice and I love it, but the fuel economy is disappointing. I only have 3000km on the car so I hope the older it get the better the fuel economy is. I had a 2005 VW Jetta TDI before this and it go 900-950 per tank with the same driving conditions and this one is suppose to be better. Does anyone else have this problem?

[Ex-airbalancer]

Try going here http://forums.tdiclub.com/
But what I have read, is that it takes a while before it gets better and it is about the same as the last engine for mileage, but you get more torque and it is cleaner

[quadzilla]

I just bought the 2009 VW Jetta TDI and I am unhappy with the fuel economy. I drive a mix of highway and city, I would say half and half and I am only getting 750km per tank. I find this really disappointing when they say it should get 1200 to 850km per tank. I mean the average would be 1025km and that is what I would expect out of it. Don't get me wrong the car is really nice and I love it, but the fuel economy is disappointing. I only have 3000km on the car so I hope the older it get the better the fuel economy is. I had a 2005 VW Jetta TDI before this and it go 900-950 per tank with the same driving conditions and this one is suppose to be better. Does anyone else have this problem?

Can you give exact numbers for fuel economy. The per tank is not a valid method. Saying you get only 750km per tank could mean you fill up at 1/2, 1/3 or what ever amount left. Personally, I'd be thrilled with 750kms per tank. 

[Datrain]

I fill up every time the light comes one. I don't fill up with half tank or 1/4 left in the tank.

[quadzilla]

I fill up every time the light comes one. I don't fill up with half tank or 1/4 left in the tank.

I'm not trying to be a jerk but that is still a meaningless stat. You have to note how much fuel you fill the car with and how far it was driven. Plus you should do this over more than one tank of fuel to account for changes (driving style, weather, etc).

[vdk]

Okay, I'll do my best to put things into perspective.

Considering the Jetta and the Rab have the same tank..

I get ~500km on 'a tank' he gets 750km, so the TDI is 50% more efficient than my 2.5. I hover around 10L/100km, 50% better is 6.7L/100km. I think that's pretty decent in a 50/50-ish split.
It will get better, plus, it's winter.. mileage gets worse when it's cold.

[Volkvader]

I'm sure it's does great mileage just like the 2006, but it is severely negated by the fact that you have to change your timing belt at 100,000 and about 1000 a pop. That's well over 12,000 KM worth of Diesel. In my opinion because of the high cost associated with this vehicle stay away, go by a chev, GM product that will do 40 plus miles to the gal, and want break the bank in heavy duty maintenance cost. This is a point that all Saleman should mention when they sell this vehicle. "High Maintenance" You want save a dime.
  To add to this you actualy pay more for this type of vehicle, so all in all you loose money on this vehicle.

Yvon

[tpl]

I make that 1cent per km extra.   Seems like a deal to me for the fuel savings.
Another 2c/km for DSG service as well. Still seems like a deal.

Now a Diesel vehicle with a bigger engine that needs a) the AdBlue fluid AND requires the expensive oil to preserve the particulate filter... that's a different story.

[sirAQUAMAN64]

I make that 1cent per km extra.   Seems like a deal to me for the fuel savings.
Another 2c/km for DSG service as well. Still seems like a deal.

Now a Diesel vehicle with a bigger engine that needs a) the AdBlue fluid AND requires the expensive oil to preserve the particulate filter... that's a different story.

The TDI requires timing belt changes every 160K now too, instead of 96K.

It's not maintenance free, and would be better if it were a chain, but in my experience not too much different. Would agree for someone who doesn't want to think about their car, or is lax on maintenance, it's probably better to get a good timing chain equipped gasser.

[tpl]

I dunno SirA.   160,000 kms is 10 years for me. It would definitely be the seconds or even third owners problem!    Before you say it... I fully understand that most people who'd buy a diesel would do many, many more KMs a year than I do... if not why buy a diesel.