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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2007, 08:00:33 am »
I wonder how hard it is to take off, it could be good for the winter time
Our hardtop for the 323 CIC takes two about 3 min to put on or off

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2007, 08:06:29 am »
Bah.

I wonder if its available in black, and if a casket will fit in it.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2007, 10:26:23 am »
Thanks for the test-drive, Wing.  Interestingly, you gave it a more positive review than either MT or C&D.

For those concerned about practicality, here's a solution to both the roof problem and the cargo problem.  Transform your Solstice GXP into an affordable, RWD three-door hatchback.  So long as "convertible" isn't a necessary part of "toy" for you, this would offer an amazing mix of fun, practicality, and affordability:

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/16/detroit-show-wrapup-edag-pontiac-solstice-wagonlet-in-the-flesh/









EDAG hasn't released a production hardtop roof yet, I think, but it's only a matter of time until somebody does.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2007, 10:28:21 am »
I am waiting for someone to come forward and compare this hardtop with the M Coupe.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2007, 10:29:53 am »
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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2007, 10:32:43 am »
Thanks for the test-drive, Wing.  Interestingly, you gave it a more positive review than either MT or C&D.

For those concerned about practicality, here's a solution to both the roof problem and the cargo problem.  Transform your Solstice GXP into an affordable, RWD three-door hatchback.  So long as "convertible" isn't a necessary part of "toy" for you, this would offer an amazing mix of fun, practicality, and affordability:

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/16/detroit-show-wrapup-edag-pontiac-solstice-wagonlet-in-the-flesh/

Does adding the hardtop remove that big hump in the trunk?  The space still doesn't have a flat floor for anything. 


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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2007, 10:59:42 am »
Bah.

I wonder if its available in black, and if a casket will fit in it.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2007, 11:18:22 am »
Bah.

I wonder if its available in black, and if a casket will fit in it.

 :rofl: Damn, that was funny!  :rofl:

 I am not sure I could live with the trunk space even if practicality were near the bottom of my purchase criteria.  Small trunk is one thing, zero trunk is quite another.

And for sure there is no way I part with $40k when they couldn't even bother to design a decent top.  I mean, this thing was designed from the ground up as a convertible right?  A top that opens and closes is what makes it a convertible, right?  How in the world does the design of the top get relegated to the afterthought status that this wretched thing seems to suggest?  It's not like they haven't had several years worth of Miatas as an example of how to do it right.  Unbelievable.

I know, I know - it scoots along quite nicely and hugs a corner - but is there any reason why those commendable attributes should preclude a modicum of cargo capacity, or why they should require proficiency in kung fu just to work the top?

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2007, 11:19:35 am »
Anyone remember this thread?

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,53834.0.html

The haters, they be hatin'.

I still love the look of these things. The extra boost makes it that much better. Then again I commute by bike/motorcycle 8 months of the year.
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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2007, 11:27:17 am »
The top is a "retro feature" - it takes one back to the 1950s and the likes of the MGA and TR3.  ;D ;D

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2007, 11:27:27 am »
I wonder if its available in black, and if a casket will fit in it.

Even if one would fit, I still wouldn't be caught dead in it.  ;D

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2007, 11:29:29 am »
I wonder if its available in black, and if a casket will fit in it.

Even if one would fit, I still wouldn't be caught dead in it.  ;D

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2007, 12:38:31 pm »
Some food for thought.

The Lotus Elise, holy grail of small roadsters, has a roof that removes, rather than folds, so I assume you can't open the top while sitting in the car.  When it removes, it uses up much of the trunk (which is only four cubic feet to begin with).  Yet I have never once heard a thread about a Lotus Elise go on a tangent about its cargo space.  To compare, that's ALL people ever say about the Solstice GXP and Sky Red Line.  Why the discrepancy?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-07-15-lotus_x.htm

The Elise's trunk:
http://www.puresportscar.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1358

When CanadianDriver test-drove the Elise, the vast majority of the review was about the driving experience.  This is the extent of moaning that occurred about the trunk:

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While the Elise is a blast to drive, there are a few negatives. The trunk is smallish. It's right behind the engine and accessed through the same opening. There is no front trunk, the space being reserved for the radiator.


http://www.canadiandriver.com/roadtest/06elise.htm

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2007, 01:11:31 pm »
Some food for thought.

The Lotus Elise, holy grail of small roadsters, has a roof that removes, rather than folds, so I assume you can't open the top while sitting in the car.  When it removes, it uses up much of the trunk (which is only four cubic feet to begin with).  Yet I have never once heard a thread about a Lotus Elise go on a tangent about its cargo space.  To compare, that's ALL people ever say about the Solstice GXP and Sky Red Line.  Why the discrepancy?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-07-15-lotus_x.htm

The Elise's trunk:
http://www.puresportscar.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1358

When CanadianDriver test-drove the Elise, the vast majority of the review was about the driving experience.  This is the extent of moaning that occurred about the trunk:

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While the Elise is a blast to drive, there are a few negatives. The trunk is smallish. It's right behind the engine and accessed through the same opening. There is no front trunk, the space being reserved for the radiator.


http://www.canadiandriver.com/roadtest/06elise.htm


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It is because it’s a domestic car, if it were from Japan or Europe it would be an acceptable compromise to enjoy the driving experience.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2007, 01:17:32 pm »
Would it make you happier if people complained about the trunk of the Elise too?   Would that make the Solstice trunk space more acceptable?  It is what it is...trunk space blows.  Elise, Solstice....it sucks.  Happy?   ::)

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2007, 01:22:24 pm »
Even with a small 4 cf of space you can still put something in it compared to almost nothing in the Solstice.

From the article.

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Trunk space is sufficient for the removable top and a couple of backpacks, gym bags or briefcases.

Still, if all people can find wrong with the car is that the trunk is too small or non existent that I think that speaks volumes about the Solstice.

Personally the Solstice would come off my list even if we kept the wagon.  I would still want a small car that I could use to run errands for get out of town for the weekend.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2007, 01:23:07 pm »
How is the trunk space in the 911, MD?  :)

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2007, 01:23:41 pm »
Would it make you happier if people complained about the trunk of the Elise too?   Would that make the Solstice trunk space more acceptable?  It is what it is...trunk space blows.  Elise, Solstice....it sucks.  Happy?   ::)

One down 600 million to go :)  Mitlov makes a valid point and I cannot figure out why all the bashing... so I threw in the GM thing as many love to bash GM despite their efforts.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2007, 01:27:25 pm »
Would it make you happier if people complained about the trunk of the Elise too?   Would that make the Solstice trunk space more acceptable?  It is what it is...trunk space blows.  Elise, Solstice....it sucks.  Happy?   ::)

I'm not asking you to like the Solstice GXP.  But for the record, when CanadianDriver reviewed the Elise, you didn't say "the trunk space blows; it's too impractical; I'd never want to own this car."  You said:

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A shop in Calgary!  WOOHOO!

Should make for some serious hoots around the race track.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,45294.0.html  Are you seriously going to tell me that you haven't been harder on the Solstice than the Elise, when both are good for "serious hoots around the race track" and neither are practical daily drivers?  Just saying.

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Re: CTC Review: 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2007, 01:34:57 pm »
Some food for thought.

The Lotus Elise, holy grail of small roadsters, has a roof that removes, rather than folds, so I assume you can't open the top while sitting in the car.  When it removes, it uses up much of the trunk (which is only four cubic feet to begin with).  Yet I have never once heard a thread about a Lotus Elise go on a tangent about its cargo space.  To compare, that's ALL people ever say about the Solstice GXP and Sky Red Line.  Why the discrepancy?


You raise a good point, Mitlov.  However, few articles I've read about the Elise suggest it's anything but a raw, track-ready performance machine.  To that end, one expects compromises (bumpy, loud, contankerous in some ways) because it is the best machine for the task it was designed for, short of an Ariel Atom.  The Solstice -- even in GXP guise -- is not raw and sporting enough to pull the "true track-ready car" excuse -- especially when Pontiac claims to target the likes of Miatae, Z4s and 350Zs as their direct competitors.  

Sandman, it's unfair to say that we're critical of the Solstice / Sky because it's a domestic.  You know I'm open-minded enough to applaud great cars when it's warranted, but you can't deny that GM seems to have simply pulled the Solstice out of the oven before the engineers had fully baked it.  That top design is simply silly in this day and age.  The Corvette is a world-class sports car.  I'd do many awful things to have a new C6.  Nobody seems to understand the full-szie pick-up market the way the domestic makers do (the new Sierra / Silverado?  Truck masterpieces).  Even the little neon SRT-4 was remarkable for all its faults because it was dedicated to being the meanest, baddest performance economy car around and succeeded.  The Solstice is not a stand out in anything even if it does a number of things pretty well.

There's no doubt in my mind that the GXP is a remarkable performance machine and is a lot of fun to drive.  And, following James' praises of driving the car (indeed, very high praise from a hard-drivin' S2000 owner!), I'm willing to heap even more kudos on GM for producing a legitimate sports car -- and at what seems to be decent value.  :thumbup:

BUT, if the competitors can produce fun-to-drive, sexy sports roadsters that are reliable, have functional cargo space AND easy-to-operate tops, then there's no excuse for GM to have not been able to do the same.  
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