Topic: BMW 1 Series

[Ex-airbalancer]

Snowy, so you finally got out of that sand trap?

[Triple Bob]

Car payments cut into the mortgage affordability.

Order of importance to me, food on table, roof over the head, clothes on back, ... wheels of desire. 

You'll want those the other way round, or you'll be eating outside. 

[mmret]

Car payments cut into the mortgage affordability.

Order of importance to me, food on table, roof over the head, clothes on back, ... wheels of desire. 

You'll want those the other way round, or you'll be eating outside. 

Probably better than starving indoors.
Although I guess you could rent out a room to pay the grocer.

[Snowman]

Snowy, so you finally got out of that sand trap?

Wack is soooo much fun.

[initial_D]

Car payments cut into the mortgage affordability.

Order of importance to me, food on table, roof over the head, clothes on back, ... wheels of desire. 

You'll want those the other way round, or you'll be eating outside. 

Do eat out a few times per month. 

[evil_twin]

Nice video: http://mwerks.com/gallery/albums/Video/1%20Series/135i%20Coupe/135i_Coupe_Wide.html

[sirAQUAMAN64]

Just finished a survey for BMW, about 1 series
128I cost will be $32,500 to $38,000
135I cost will be $38,000 to $43,000
and they may bring the cab over

Canadian prices, airb?

Was talking to local BMW store mgr today, and he figures (guessing only as he does not know yet) that a top flight 135i will be into 3 Series price territory.

The survy was with BMW Canada & Ipsos Reid, so I would think it is $CDN.

I can see $33 to $45 easily. I think a well optioned 135i would sticker mid $40's... who needs everything? 

Only reservation on the car is that the interior looks small. Maybe the seat has lots of travel, but the centre tunnel and the dash's centre stack look wide.

[Snowman]

Just finished a survey for BMW, about 1 series
128I cost will be $32,500 to $38,000
135I cost will be $38,000 to $43,000
and they may bring the cab over

Canadian prices, airb?

Was talking to local BMW store mgr today, and he figures (guessing only as he does not know yet) that a top flight 135i will be into 3 Series price territory.

The survy was with BMW Canada & Ipsos Reid, so I would think it is $CDN.

I can see $33 to $45 easily. I think a well optioned 135i would sticker mid $40's... who needs everything? 

Only reservation on the car is that the interior looks small. Maybe the seat has lots of travel, but the centre tunnel and the dash's centre stack look wide.

I was under the impression the 135i was based on the E46 platform.

[tpl]

NO   It is its own platform.

[initial_D]

The 1 series was developed to bring back basic driving dynamics of the the old BMW cars,  from 1970s and the 1980s, like the 2002 (roughtly the same physical size), and the original Yuppie Mobiles, the E30 3-series. 

[avtoller]

The 1 series was developed to bring back basic driving dynamics of the the old BMW cars,  from 1970s and the 1980s, like the 2002 (roughtly the same physical size), and the original Yuppie Mobiles, the E30 3-series. 

Certainly nowhere near the same weight - unfortunately! 

[ovr50]

The 1 series was developed to bring back basic driving dynamics of the the old BMW cars,  from 1970s and the 1980s, like the 2002 (roughtly the same physical size), and the original Yuppie Mobiles, the E30 3-series. 

Certainly nowhere near the same weight - unfortunately! 

Having had 3 2002s, I can assure you that the new 1 Series will have a hell of a lot more power than the old 2002 did. Even the 128i will have 230hp, over double the 2002s. Most 2002s had a bit over 100 hp, and the Ti and Tii models only added 20 or so more ponies. Why does everyone want to go back to the old days of low weights and no protective devices, low power, and raw driving environment?? (That should get some responses). 

[Mitlov]

Why does everyone want to go back to the old days of low weights and no protective devices, low power, and raw driving environment?? (That should get some responses). 

Given AVT drives a Yaris (without side airbags, if I recall), I think I know what his answer to that question may be...

[mdxtasy]

The 1 series was developed to bring back basic driving dynamics of the the old BMW cars,  from 1970s and the 1980s, like the 2002 (roughtly the same physical size), and the original Yuppie Mobiles, the E30 3-series. 

Certainly nowhere near the same weight - unfortunately! 

Having had 3 2002s, I can assure you that the new 1 Series will have a hell of a lot more power than the old 2002 did. Even the 128i will have 230hp, over double the 2002s. Most 2002s had a bit over 100 hp, and the Ti and Tii models only added 20 or so more ponies. Why does everyone want to go back to the old days of low weights and no protective devices, low power, and raw driving environment?? (That should get some responses). 

Power to weight.....power to weight. 

Did the Tii not have 140hp? 

[ovr50]

For the Tii, some websites quote 140hp, others say 130hp?? My recollection is 140hp for the Tii and 120 for the Ti.

My post was trying to point out the power/weight relationship and regardless of the exact hp of the 128i, the old Tii was little over half a new 128i and substantially less than a new 135i. Weight of the old Tii was NOT half a 128i.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Why does everyone want to go back to the old days of low weights and no protective devices, low power, and raw driving environment?? (That should get some responses). 

Because outright speed doesn't necessarily equal fun? Cars lately have become almost antiseptic with respect to the driving experience. Very fast, but with all the nannies and protection they have lost something elemental that their older versions had. I'd take an E30 M3 over the new one regardless of how much faster the new one is.

[avtoller]

"Why does everyone want to go back to the old days of low weights and no protective devices, low power, and raw driving environment??"

I've never really cared much for driving at extreme speeds. For me, the pleasure has always been much more about extreme agility, and for that one needs low weight. 

[ovr50]

I know and understand what you are saying, but these comments relate to those of us on here who are driving-enthusiasts. That's also understandable, as that's what this site is all about. BUT, for the GREAT majority of buyers today, the addition of safety devices and driving "aids" is a very positive thing - I wouldn't want to be out there on the road with the "old cars" in the hands of the majority of today's drivers. The soccer mom on the phone, and yelling at the kids in the back needs the "lane departure prompt" to tell her that she's about to swerve into a semi.

Those that prefer the older, raw experience will just have to buy the old cars, or go with the few "raw" sports machines available today. Unfortunately, if you are not a "tinkerer" (like me), the old machines get annoying really quickly as the maintenance can be onerous.

[Triple Bob]

The 1 series was developed to bring back basic driving dynamics of the the old BMW cars,  from 1970s and the 1980s, like the 2002 (roughtly the same physical size), and the original Yuppie Mobiles, the E30 3-series. 

Certainly nowhere near the same weight - unfortunately! 

Having had 3 2002s, I can assure you that the new 1 Series will have a hell of a lot more power than the old 2002 did. Even the 128i will have 230hp, over double the 2002s. Most 2002s had a bit over 100 hp, and the Ti and Tii models only added 20 or so more ponies. Why does everyone want to go back to the old days of low weights and no protective devices, low power, and raw driving environment?? (That should get some responses). 

Nimblesness, power to weight can't overrule physics.  I agree on the old car thing though, I'd love a classic but I'm not good with engines, I think I'm gonna have to learn...

[Mitlov]

Roads are a lot more crowded today than they were 50 years ago, so passive safety (strong frames and airbags) is a whole lot more important than is used to be.  Even for sports cars.  All the agility in the world won't save you when some bloke yapping on a cell phone blindsides you with his 5-Series.

For those who really don't give a darn about passive safety, there's always motorcycles.  My bike makes 75 horsepower (at the crank, admittedly) and weighs a miniscule 365 lbs without gas.  Great agility but crap safety.  Sure, a full-face helmet and leathers is something, but it's not going to protect you like a 1-Series would.