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Free Trade
« on: March 21, 2007, 05:37:48 am »
I am always puzzled why some Asian markets continue to impose restrictions on US auto imports when America has open doors. I would see no problem in imposing tariffs on countries that refuse to play fair.

Auto industry advocates fight S. Korean trade pactAny deal must include a lifting of nation's entrenched restrictions on sale of U.S. vehicles.

WASHINGTON -- Advocates for the U.S. auto industry and its workers Tuesday urged Congress to reject a free trade agreement with South Korea unless it includes safeguards to ensure the Asian economic power opens its historically closed market to U.S. vehicles.
"This is like the old arcade game of Wac-a-Mole -- new regulations pop up each time we whack one down," said Stephen E. Biegun, Ford Motor Co.'s vice president for international government affairs.
"I would hope the United States Trade Representative has had enough of that game, and will insist that the Korean government come up with solutions, remove the obstacles to imports, and allow the Korean consumer the same full range of choices that the American consumer has," he added.
Biegun testified at a hearing held by the House Ways and Means subcommittee on the U.S.-Korean free trade agreement. The deadline for completing the deal is March 31.
Deputy U.S. trade representative Karan K. Bhatia said he remains optimistic that U.S.-Korean negotiators will complete the trade deal and that it will benefit U.S. businesses.
Bhatia said the trade deal is critical because "our global competitors are actively seeking to `lock up' East Asia's fast-growing economies into economic relationships that exclude the United States and U.S. firms."
But U.S. Rep. Sander Levin, the Royal Oak Democrat who chairs the trade subcommittee, reiterated his warning to the Bush administration that the deal will likely go down to defeat in Congress if it leaves U.S. automakers dependent on promises -- not measurable results.
The U.S.-Korean trade deal is the highest profile tug-of-war over trade policy between President Bush and the new Democratic-controlled Congress.
In a bipartisan proposal to Bush at the beginning of this month, Levin and several other lawmakers urged U.S. trade negotiators to link Korea getting additional access to the U.S. market to it showing it's opened its market.
Korea's lopsided advantage in auto trade between the countries was the focus of much of Tuesday's hearing.
Last year, Korea sold 700,000 vehicles in the United States, while U.S. automakers sold only 4,000 in Korea.

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 06:28:47 am »
"U.S. automakers sold only 4,000 in Korea"   I wonder how many of those were to American servicemen.

Personally I would have no problem with a system that said that only 4000 Korean cars could be sold in North America. if the problem is Korean government regulations... and isn't Japan much the same? ( I'd have even less problem with  a system that saw a lot more made in Canada not made in China  on almost everything in the stores these days)  Trouble is, once you start on that trade restriction business we'd all have to drive Buicks.

However I would note that there are countries with no or few restrictions on NA cars that still import very few.  Most of the EU for instance, crash regs are the same or weaker, emission standards the same and yet few NA vehicles are sold.  Mostly because they are too big and use too much fuel and because the big 3 in NA are very unwilling to make the changes that are required,( seatbelts, amber rear indicators and a few other things to do with lighting and labelling)
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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 11:20:09 am »
S. Korea, U.S. agree to eliminate and phase out tariffs on autos
Kelly Olsen / Associated Press


SEOUL, South Korea -- The United States and South Korea concluded a landmark free trade agreement Monday, officials said, culminating 10 months of negotiations in a final week of intense haggling that just beat a key U.S. legislative deadline.
The deal, which requires approval by lawmakers in both countries, is the biggest for the United States since the North American Free Trade Agreement, which took effect in 1994. It is the largest ever for South Korea.
South Korea and the U.S. agreed to eliminate and lower tariffs and other trade barriers in a wide range of industrial goods and services, including financial services. The agreement also covered sectors such as e-commerce.
"The free trade agreement we are announcing today is a historic accomplishment," Deputy U.S. Trade Representative Karan Bhatia told reporters. "It is an agreement for the 21st century."
Negotiations began last June in Washington amid much fanfare. Both sides strongly advocated a deal, saying it would boost economic growth in two countries, which already do more than $75 billion (56 billion euros) in trade a year.
But disputes in areas such as automobiles and agriculture slowed progress, forcing a final round of intense talks in Seoul since last Monday.
South Korea, under pressure from farmers who were worried that eliminating protections for rice would destroy the domestic industry, succeeded in keeping the staple food out of the deal.
But Seoul agreed to lower tariffs on other agricultural goods, including American oranges.
The two sides also agreed to eliminate and phase out tariffs on automobiles, with South Korea also agreeing to change its auto tax structure for larger vehicles, which Washington claimed was discriminatory.
South Korean automakers sold 730,863 vehicles in the United States in 2005, while American auto companies sold only 5,795 in South Korea, according to Commerce Department figures.
The issue of American beef imports, absent from South Korean markets for more than three years after mad cow disease was discovered in the U.S. in 2003, was not an issue in the free trade talks. Still, Washington apparently came away with expectations it may be on the way toward resolution.
Assistant U.S. Trade Representative Wendy Cutler, the chief U.S. negotiator for the talks, said an expected certification of U.S. beef next month as safe to eat by the World Organization for Animal Health will pave the way.
"When this classification comes out we look to Korea (South) Korea to promptly reopen its market to American beef," Cutler said.
In the final round of talks in Seoul, South Korean Trade Minister Kim Hyun-chong, Bhatia and their subordinates held eight days of marathon talks, sometimes going all night, to clinch the deal.
The negotiators were under pressure because U.S. President George W. Bush must notify Congress that he plans to sign a trade agreement 90 days before his special Trade Promotion Authority expires July 1, meaning the agreement had to be concluded by April 1.
That so-called "fast track" authority allows Congress to ratify or reject, but not modify, trade deals negotiated by the White House.
Shortly after midnight Monday in Washington, the White House released the text of a letter from Bush to congressional leaders, dated April 1, stating his intention to enter into a free trade agreement with South Korea.
He said the agreement "will generate export opportunities for U.S. farmers, ranchers, manufacturers, and service suppliers, promote economic growth and the creation of better paying jobs in the United States, and help American consumers save money while offering them greater choices."
But South Korean labor and farm groups have denounced the deal, demonstrating on the streets of the country, especially the capital Seoul, saying an influx of U.S. imports will cost jobs and harm livelihoods.
A protester set himself on fire Sunday shouting "Stop the Korea-U.S. FTA" outside the hotel where negotiators were meeting. He was being treated for third-degree burns, police said.
South Korean president Roh Moo-hyun acknowledged that there have been "many conflicts" within South Korea regarding the free trade deal with the U.S. "Things will settle down after the striking of a deal today," he said.
U.S. businesses welcomed the agreement.
"For (South) Korea, this FTA is not only the largest deal ever completed, but it also ensures Korean products will have preferential access in the U.S. market, the largest in the world, ahead of its competitors, most notably Japan and China," the American Chamber of Commerce in Korea said in a statement.
Associated Press Writers Burt Herman and Kwang-Tae Kim contributed to this report

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 11:26:57 am »
That can't hurt Hyundai and the other Koreans. Their cars just got less expensive.
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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2007, 11:28:59 am »
when is Lil KIM inna NORTH sending us his NUCLEAR cars......... 8)
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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 02:37:07 pm »
I've got little sympathy for the US in trade negotiations.  If there's one thing the US knows how to do, it is to look out for number 1.

There's also a world difference between import tariffs and road tax regulations.  Getting tariffs removed on US-made products is a fair request for free-trade.  However getting a country to change its road tax regulations to make it easier to sell large cars is not fair.  Size/displacement taxes are completely fair as long as they have nothing to do with the country of origin.  >:(

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 03:15:39 pm »
"Size/displacement taxes are completely fair as long as they have nothing to do with the country of origin."

Yup. just like our Feebate system we now have  ;)

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2007, 12:04:24 am »
>However I would note that there are countries with no or few restrictions on NA cars that still import very few…

Yes, importation of automobiles into Japan is duty-free with no restrictions. Yet still NA manufacturers are having difficult time. The following is the YTD sales of automobiles in Japan this year (through March 31).


Brand/sales /2007compared to 2006
Honda    173545  94.2
Lexus      11490  203.6
Mazda     75059  90.2
Nissan    241802  90.0
Subaru    70917  100.4
Toyota  470887  89.5
Alfa Romeo 996  99.9
Audi        3714   91.0
Bentley      118  75.2
BMW      11425  99.2
BMW Mini  3121  96.6
Cadillac      225  97.0
Chevrolet  1353  79.0
Chrysler      943  91.9
Citroen       574  94.4
Ferrari        128  110.3
Fiat           486  155.3
Ford         1652  84.5
Hummer      253  82.1
Hyundai      428  71.9
Jaguar        634  84.4
Jeep           523  85.2
Lamborghini   47  142.4
Land Rover  309  64.1
Lotus         115  109.5
Maserati       94  102.2
Mybach         6  120.0
Mercedes Benz   12443  92.4
Peugeot     2136  77.5
Porsche     1056  83.4
Renault       708  83.7
Rolls Royce   11  733
Saab            87 565
Smart         118 18.3
Volvo        2755 91.3
VW         15273 94.0





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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2007, 07:48:13 am »
The top selling brands imported into Japan are 1 - VW and 2  BMW. That VW is number one is a surprise.

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2007, 12:21:18 pm »
I've got little sympathy for the US in trade negotiations.  If there's one thing the US knows how to do, it is to look out for number 1.



Don't get me started on "free" trade with the US vis a vis lumber.  The US already wants to re-open the deal agreed to last October on lumber, despite the Canadian producers taking a pounding on lumber prices as it is   >:(  >:(  >:(

The US only has "free" trade if it is to their advantage, nothing "free" about it   :-X
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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2007, 12:46:47 pm »
Hey don't "PLAY" with the BIG BOYS if ya want a job....we get 80%+ of out TRADE from them...OF COURSE they play hardball..their Politicians are all out fer their HOME STATES advantages...they'll "PORK" anyone they can; can U spell Q..U..E..B..E  C ?????? :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2007, 12:55:06 pm »
I've got little sympathy for the US in trade negotiations.  If there's one thing the US knows how to do, it is to look out for number 1.

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2007, 12:58:42 pm »
GO CRY in yer cheap BEER  goods....et al then........... :'( ::) ??? 8) :P >:(

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2007, 02:47:43 pm »
Don't get me started on "free" trade with the US vis a vis lumber.  The US already wants to re-open the deal agreed to last October on lumber, despite the Canadian producers taking a pounding on lumber prices as it is   >:(  >:(  >:(

The US only has "free" trade if it is to their advantage, nothing "free" about it   :-X

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2007, 10:46:15 pm »
I wonder why they didn't give all the money back that they had taken in tax fee's, I have heard they spent some of it on some of the US lumber companies in the form of New Production facilities. Don't know for sure if its true but did hear that. They definitely cheated the Canadian Lumber Industry for sure.  They want our Natural and processed Gas for next to nothing as well while we pay thru the nose for it. They stole water from the Great Lakes as well by illigally diverting the lakes to flow the other way near Detroit also. I shudder to think what they will attempt to pull off next?  :(

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2007, 09:25:33 am »
Northwest Passage would be the boiling bot. It will become part of 'Free Trade' or 'Freedom' something.

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2007, 02:28:15 pm »
Hey don't "PLAY" with the BIG BOYS if ya want a job....we get 80%+ of out TRADE from them...OF COURSE they play hardball..their Politicians are all out fer their HOME STATES advantages...they'll "PORK" anyone they can; can U spell Q..U..E..B..E  C ?????? :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

Agreed, people tend to forget that without the US we are facked.

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2007, 03:11:38 pm »
Hey don't "PLAY" with the BIG BOYS if ya want a job....we get 80%+ of out TRADE from them...OF COURSE they play hardball..their Politicians are all out fer their HOME STATES advantages...they'll "PORK" anyone they can; can U spell Q..U..E..B..E  C ?????? :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

Agreed, people tend to forget that without the US we are facked.


Doesn't mean we have to roll over and play dead every time they ask for stuff. I happen to support the FT deals, but the US is notorious for trying to get their own way every time.

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2007, 06:23:19 pm »
Hey have U seen OUR POLS.............most couldn't negotiate there way out of a WET PAPER BAG..( Wimps R U.S HATERS in Parliament and in PRINT!!!) :'(..plus if U wanna :censor: off yer "BANK MANAGER" before asking fer a LOAN of say $15 Billion a year just in FREE DEFENSE......and then expect a 5% Mortgage ...GOOD LUCK TO YA..... :rofl2:

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Re: Free Trade
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2007, 09:39:49 pm »
Hey don't "PLAY" with the BIG BOYS if ya want a job....we get 80%+ of out TRADE from them...OF COURSE they play hardball..their Politicians are all out fer their HOME STATES advantages...they'll "PORK" anyone they can; can U spell Q..U..E..B..E  C ?????? :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

Agreed, people tend to forget that without the US we are facked.


Doesn't mean we have to roll over and play dead every time they ask for stuff. I happen to support the FT deals, but the US is notorious for trying to get their own way every time.

Yes, and if the shoe were on the other foot so would we! There needs to be a balance with trade but in an ever increasing resource dependant world our words will be amplified.

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