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« Reply #120 on: September 23, 2007, 09:47:43 am »
..EPA fuel ratings= thruthiness in advertising......maybe the Car Companies can escape those draconian Greenie inspired "ratings" trying to cripple an already staggering (what's left of the domestic Industry) Auto Manufacturing business in the USA by employing similar fantasist  measurements in their tail pipe readings (already superb) and other Washington /Congress inspired  REGULATION inanities..... :bang: :banana:
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« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2007, 08:00:51 am »
Toyota's environmental image challenged
KEN THOMAS

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October 4, 2007 at 12:10 PM EDT

WASHINGTON — Never mind that the Toyota Prius is popular with environmentally conscious motorists — some environmentalists still wonder if Toyota is living up to its image as a green auto maker.

Environmental groups, led by the Natural Resources Defense Council, are challenging Toyota Motor Corp.'s opposition to strict fuel economy standards pending in Congress, a position the Japanese company shares with General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC.

During the past two weeks, about 8,300 NRDC activists sent e-mails and faxes to Toyota urging the company to support a Senate energy bill that would set a 35-mile-per-gallon requirement by 2020.

Other environmental groups, such as the Union of Concerned Scientists and the National Environmental Trust, are mobilizing to challenge Toyota for supporting a more modest approach on so-called CAFE standards that would require 32 to 35 mpg by 2022.

"They have a green halo, justifiably, and yet unbeknownst to their customers they've joined forces with the Detroit Three to argue against greener standards," said Deron Lovaas, the NRDC's vehicles campaign director.

Toyota contends the Senate bill would hurt the industry and notes that the alternative still would raise the standards up to 40 per cent and give auto makers more time to meet the goals. The company said it would respond to the messages it receives.

"For the first time, the industry has actually come together for a fuel economy increase, and everyone is pulling together in the same direction," Toyota spokeswoman Martha Voss said Wednesday. "Toyota is working very hard behind the scenes to achieve the best standards possible, not only for the whole industry, but to meet the energy and environmental goals that we all share."

Toyota, along with Honda Motor Co., has been a front-runner in producing fuel-efficient vehicles while emphasizing its hybrid technology. In addition to the popular gas-electric hybrid Prius, Toyota offers several hybrid models, including the hybrid Camry and hybrid Lexus models.

But the campaign underscores some discontent with the company in the environmental community, many of whom drive Prius hybrids. Toyota is challenging GM as the world's biggest auto maker and has aggressively promoted the Tundra pickup in the lucrative large truck segment.

"They market every night the Prius and the Toyota Camry — we're the green car, huh? Then watch the football games, and they're marketing the Toyota Tundra — like the biggest vehicle ever made," Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., a Camry hybrid owner, said Wednesday in a speech at an environmental conference.

"We're actually going to name the vehicle the Tundra, after the thing that's being destroyed in Alaska," he said. "How ironic."


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« Reply #122 on: October 05, 2007, 11:36:33 am »
..next thing ya know those Washington blowHARDS will be passing and Act of Congress banning "Acts of Congress!!" fack that.... ;) ;D..we will need a poll fer that one... :rofl:

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« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2007, 09:40:48 am »
Is Lexus losing young, affluent customers?
Luxury brand fears it may be 1-generation wonder

Mark Rechtin
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October 15, 2007 - 12:01 am ET
 
MONTEREY, Calif. — What is there possibly to worry about if you run Lexus Division and you outsold your nearest luxury competitor by nearly 50,000 units in 2006?

Just this. Lexus looks dangerously out of position when it comes to attracting the younger buyers that demographers and market researchers say will flood the luxury market in a few years.

Lexus has been the best-selling luxury brand since 2000, but the executives who run Toyota's upscale division are worried about the future. The fear is that Lexus will be a one-generation wonder — a baby boom artifact.

"When we look at the luxury market in 10 years, it's going to change so dramatically," said former Lexus General Manager Jim Farley.

(Farley was interviewed before Ford Motor Co. announced last week that it had hired him as group vice president of marketing and communications.)

Sifting through the numbers after taking over at Lexus in April, Farley discovered an alarming trend: Unlike Infiniti, BMW and even Mercedes, Lexus is losing its foothold among younger buyers just as its core Pepsi Generation customers get ready to switch to warm milk. To deal with the problem, Farley formed a team to analyze the product lineup and recalibrate marketing.

The team concluded that Lexus is caught in a demographic vortex — upmarket intenders are getting younger as its buyers grow older.

"This new 30- to 40-year-old customer deserves us to look at them very critically," Farley says.

Lexus owners are older on average than those of its Japanese and European rivals, except for Jaguar. Indeed, BMW, Audi and Infiniti customers are significantly younger, according to the Power Information Network. Besides Jaguar, the only luxury brands with higher buyer ages than Lexus are Lincoln and Cadillac.

"I'm surprised that the Lexus age is above Mercedes," says Power analyst Tom Libby.
 


Disturbing trend
For Farley, who made his mark at Toyota with the Scion youth brand, all this information is disturbing, to say the least.

"The ES 350's average age is 61, and their number-one occupation is retired," :rofl2: he says.

Aside from the Cadillac STS, all of the ES 350's mid-sized premium competitors attract younger buyers, according to Power.

"Forty percent of all our customers are over 60," Farley says.

Only Cadillac, Lincoln and Jaguar have a higher percentage of buyers over 60, Power says. Mercedes, Volvo, Acura, Porsche, BMW, Infiniti, Audi, Saab, Hummer and Land Rover all have a lower percentage above that age.

To be sure, the customer age statistics reflect product portfolios. Libby says Audi and Infiniti have lower average ages because they aren't as strong as Lexus in the upper-range segments.

"Mercedes is more evenly distributed, and BMW has a nice combination of luxury and performance," he says. "Lexus was weak at the low end, but the IS has helped. It does well with the LS at the high end."

Market researchers expect a demographic shift to younger luxury customers within the next decade. In seven years, 50 percent of the people who buy luxury cars will be between ages 30 and 40, says Milton Pedraza, CEO of the Luxury Institute, a New York market researcher. Pedraza extrapolated the data from U.S. Census Bureau forecasts.

The figure today is 23 percent between ages 30 and 40, according to Power.

Citing Census Bureau numbers, Pedraza expects a dramatic shift in the ages of households earning more than $150,000, starting in 2015.

"As boomers retire or pass away, this younger group will be much more representative," he says. "They will be the bulk of consumers by 2015, replacing the baby boomers."

Pam Danziger, CEO of Unity Marketing in Stevens, Pa., says boomers will lose influence in the luxury market.

"Younger affluents will become the prime target," Danziger says.

Under-40 consumers have a different notion of what connotes luxury, Danziger says. Already, they spend considerably more on a luxury vehicle than boomers — $45,175 on average, compared with $39,754 for older customers, according to Unity Marketing data.

Lexus seems unprepared for the tidal change. At 51, the average Lexus customer is surely not ancient. But Lexus' average is three years above the average of all luxury marques. And that 61-year-old demographic for the entry-luxury ES 350 sedan is particularly troublesome.

"The ES 350 is not going to attract a 40- or 45-year-old," says Libby, the Power analyst. "They need the IS and RX to appeal to younger buyers."

Farley wants to shake things up. He says younger customers are looking for something different in their luxury vehicles. "They want a company that experiments with what the limits of luxury can be," Farley says.

Right now, that's not Lexus.

An energetic father of two infants, with a son arriving just a year after a daughter, Farley comes across as much younger than his 45 years. Besides overseeing the launch of Scion, he set up grass-roots marketing for the 2007 Toyota Tundra.

Farley says buyers of the raucous Mitsubishi Evo and Subaru WRX represent the cutting edge of the new luxury shopper. Small cars can still be luxurious, as long as no compromise is made in performance, Farley says.
 

Think 1 series
His current bogey is the BMW 1 series. Farley says BMW is being smart about how it goes after a new generation of customers. Lexus may not create a 1-series challenger, but Farley says the small BMW signifies the kind of thinking Lexus must do.

All of this doesn't mean Lexus will move away from family vehicles. Quite the contrary. Many of Lexus' baby boomer customers are empty-nesters. The looming 30- to 40-year-old crowd will have young families.

Lexus' first salvo at attracting younger buyers is the March launch of the IS-F, a challenger to prestige-brand speed demons such as the BMW M3 and Audi RS4. Already, the typical buyer for the IS 250 and IS 350 sedans is "in the low 40s." But the hot-rod IS-F needs to attract still younger shoppers, Farley says.

"This car is not aimed at anyone buying our cars today," Farley said at the car's media introduction here. "This car was not supposed to be."

Andrew Coetzee, Toyota Motor Sales vice president of product planning, lauds the BMW 1 series. It is "just like a 3 series of a couple generations ago," says Coetzee, a member of the study team looking at how Lexus should change or expand its lineup. But he cautions against Lexus "going too small or too cheap."

"We see more young people aspiring to luxury brands than ever before," Coetzee says. "But they are not saying they want it to be cheaper. They want it to have quality, technical innovations and prestige."
 

The pursuit of ... golf?
Jim Hall, an analyst with AutoPacific in suburban Detroit, says Lexus must change the perception of "my parents' car" to lure the next generation of buyers. For instance, most Lexus customers complained about the chronograph-style instrument panel of the original IS 300 sedan. But it also was the feature that most attracted its youngest loyalists.

"They can expand their portfolio and chase BMW all they want," Hall says. "But it won't mean anything until they can make the GS sedan a legitimate competitor to the 5 series and E class."

But it's more than product.

Lexus also has to change its marketing message, says Brian Bolain, Lexus' national manager of interactive marketing. For instance, Lexus plans to change the format of its Web site, www.myownpursuit.com, which was previously devoted to such sports as golf and tennis.

"We will be expanding the site to encompass more lifestyles, such as culinary, fashion and travel," Bolain says.

He says the main Lexus site, www.lexus.com, "does a good job telling people about cars, but not so good a job telling them about the brand."

And when cars such as the IS-F attract new shoppers, dealerships will have to change, too. Just as Toyota dealers had to train "Truck Champions" for the new breed of Tundra customer, Lexus will do the same for its new strain of performance vehicle.

"The average Lexus salesman knows your name and gives great service," says Bolain. "But I'm not sure if he will know anything about six-piston brake calipers." 
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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #124 on: October 16, 2007, 12:43:58 pm »
Lexus used to know how to target young people.  The IS300 (Altezza) was a great 3-Series fighter, and was plenty popular with 20-somethings and 30-somethings, not to mention 40-somethings.  But if I recall correctly, Lexus decided that it wanted to get away from that market and go for a more "mature" crowd so as not to dilute their brand image.  Maybe that wasn't such a great move after all...

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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #125 on: October 16, 2007, 01:23:31 pm »
An IS 350 with a paddlematic is not such a good idea either.

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« Reply #126 on: October 16, 2007, 05:09:14 pm »
An IS 350 with a paddlematic is not such a good idea either.

How about an IS-F with a paddlematic?  Sure, MB does the auto-only thing with its compact supersedan, but BMW, Audi, and Cadillac all offer proper manuals.

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« Reply #127 on: October 17, 2007, 07:53:32 am »
TOKYO - Toyota recalled 470,000 vehicles in Japan Wednesday for engine, steering and motor problems in the latest sign of growing quality problems as the automaker embarks on ambitious global growth.

None of the recalled models were exported, Toyota Motor Corp. (nyse: TM - news - people ) said. There were no reports of accidents related to the defects, but more than 300 problems were reported, it said.

President Katsuaki Watanabe has repeatedly cautioned about the need for more vigilance in product quality as the Japanese manufacturer of Camry sedans and Lexus luxury models boosts production to meet demand.

Toyota was investigated last year in Japan on suspicion of negligence in a faulty part that may have caused a 2004 head-on crash. The probe has not resulted in any charges. But Watanabe has apologized for public fears about quality problems.

Toyota has faced an increasing numbers of recalls in recent years, partly due to its effort to cut costs by using the same parts across different models.

In the latest recall, an engine problem was found in the Crown sedan and several other models, sold from 1999 through 2004, which may cause fuel to leak, Toyota said.

Separately, a defect in the fuel pump of the Vitz compact and other models could cause the engine to stall and fail to restart, it said. Those recalled models were sold from 2003 through 2005.

Toyota also found that the bolt connecting the steering shaft with the gear box wasn't properly tightened in the bB vehicle, sold from January last year through March this year, which could result in uncontrollable steering.

Toyota declined to say how much the recall would cost.

Earlier this year, Toyota set a goal of selling 10.4 million vehicles globally in 2009, well above the industry's 30-year-old record held by General Motors Corp. (nyse: GM - news - people )

At that time, Watanabe said he was going after quality - not quantity.

Toyota is planning to sell 9.3 million vehicles this year, a number that could end up beating GM, the world's No. 1 automaker. GM, which sold 9.1 million vehicles worldwide last year, doesn't give a forecast for this year.

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« Reply #128 on: October 22, 2007, 10:34:16 am »
Toyota Releases Global Sales

POSTED: 8:50 am EDT October 22, 2007
UPDATED: 9:42 am EDT October 22, 2007

Toyota said Monday it sold 2.34 million vehicles globally in the July-September quarter, fewer than General Motors' tally, as its U.S. rival regained the lead in the race to be the world's top automaker.

Toyota Motor Corp.'s worldwide vehicle sales for the first nine months of this year -- at 7.05 million vehicles -- also fell short of Detroit-based General Motors Corp.'s sales of 7.06 million vehicles for the same period.

But the numbers Toyota released Monday show the Japanese automaker running neck-and-neck against General Motors, which sold 2.38 million vehicles in the third quarter.

Toyota beat GM in global vehicle sales in the first half of the year, riding on its reputation for high quality, low-mileage small cars such as the Camry, Corolla and gas-electric hybrid Prius.

Some analysts say it's a matter of time before the Japanese automaker -- which built its business in the decades after World War II by imitating American automakers -- will close in on GM.

Toyota's global vehicle sales for the latest quarter grew 4 percent from the same period a year ago, while sales for the first nine months of the year grew 7 percent.

"With oil prices rising, Toyota has the advantage in the long run," said Yoshihiro Okumura, auto analyst at Chibagin Asset Management Co. "Toyota is making a dash to the top."

Toyota has been in a slight lapse in introducing new models, but its momentum for growth is picking up as it comes out with new offerings, Okumura said. New models tend to boost sales, and some drivers hold off on purchases until a product gets remodeled.

In August, Toyota set a global sales target of 10.4 million vehicles for 2009 -- a number that would put it far ahead of the current industry record of 9.55 million vehicles sold by GM in 1978.

GM is fiercely fighting back against Toyota by boosting overseas sales. GM has worn the industry crown of No. 1 automaker for 76 years.

Soaring gas prices have helped to lift Toyota's sales, but it saw its U.S. sales dip slightly last month, partly because of a record set in the same month a year earlier.

Toyota is lowering its sales target in Japan for this year because of a stagnant market, but it has said that better-than-expected demand in other overseas markets will offset the domestic decline.

GM, which has been trimming jobs and cutting costs, reported last week that third-quarter global sales rose 4 percent to 2.38 million cars and trucks, led by increases in emerging markets outside the United States.

Toyota reported selling 4.72 million vehicles during the first half of the year compared with GM's 4.67 million.

GM still led Toyota in vehicles produced worldwide during the first half of the year. Toyota and its group companies produced 4.71 million vehicles in the first half, inching up to GM's 4.75 million vehicles.

The race is more than about the number of cars people are buying.

GM's profitability falls far short of Toyota, which is rich in cash to invest in technology research and model development.

GM's second-quarter net income totaled $891 million, largely from overseas operations. It was the third straight quarter of profit, and a dramatic reversal from the $3.4 billion loss it posted in the same period last year.

For the April-June period, Toyota raked in earnings of $4.27 billion, its biggest quarterly profit ever and up 32.3 percent from a year earlier.

A recent study of industry costs and profits by Laurie Harbour-Felax found GM made $2,123 less per vehicle than Toyota in 2006 in North America.

Toyota, the most profitable of all automakers on a per-vehicle basis, increased its profit per vehicle from $1,175 in 2005 to $1,977 in 2006, the report said.

GM is still losing money for every vehicle sold in North America but lowered that loss to $146 in 2006 from $1,271 in 2005, mostly because of cost reductions, including thousands of job cuts, it said.
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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #129 on: October 22, 2007, 05:11:45 pm »
Finally someone thinking logically, and locally.  :light: :thumbup:

I find the timing funny because just yesterday I was in the shower thinking about how hybrids have not sold well in Japan even tho they're tech savvy and have ridiculous traffic. Then thought that with said traffic the regenerative braking wouldn't be all that useful and perhaps the plug-in hybrid would need to be sold there to make an impact. Then thought on about where plug ins would make sense in places where they produce 'green' electricity and where they wouldn't. So I'm not entirely crazy.


Toyota: China is no place for electric cars


Reuters
October 22, 2007 - 4:20 am ET   

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese carmaker Toyota is working to improve its hybrid cars and develop electric cars for the future, but an official said on Monday that these vehicles would not help reduce CO2 emissions in China.

"In France, 80 percent of electricity is produced by nuclear stations so if electric cars replace fossil fuel cars then you have a clear reduction in the emission of CO2," said Tatehito Ueda, a managing officer at Toyota Motor Corp.

"But in China they make electricity by burning coal, so China is not the place for electric cars," he told the Nikkei International Automotive Conference in Tokyo.

Toyota has introduced a plug-in hybrid vehicle -- in which the electric part of the engine can be charged up from the electricity network -- in France in partnership with EDF and will introduce this elsewhere as well.

The vehicle is based on its Fuel Cell stack technology, but Ueda said a lot of issues needed to be resolved to make this a mass technology, both in infrastructure and in vehicles.

In the meantime, improved fuel economy through reduced running resistance, or friction, and an improved power train can cut emissions. Software can help make mechanical actions more precise and reduce fuel consumption, he said.
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« Reply #130 on: October 29, 2007, 11:39:21 am »
Toyota's first lithium likely a Lexus
But battery technology has a long road to travel

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
October 29, 2007 - 12:01 am ET   


TOKYO — The first Toyota hybrid vehicle with lithium ion batteries will not be a Prius. It likely will be a Lexus.

Kazuo Okamoto, Toyota Motor Corp.'s executive vice president of r&d and product development, said the first lithium ion vehicle will be a limited-edition, low-volume vehicle. He declined to confirm that it would be a Lexus.

Lexus executives have said the automaker is studying whether to build a hybrid-only Lexus that would not share its underpinnings with a conventional Toyota vehicle.

But don't hold your breath for the vehicle, one of Toyota's top alternative-fuels engineers says.

Toyota does not see breakthrough developments in lithium ion battery technology in the near future, said Bill Reinert, national manager of the advanced technology vehicle group for Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc.

"Nobody has the technology right now for a 150,000-mile lithium ion battery," Reinert said. "There have been tests in a lab, but not enough road tests with heat, cold, snow and salt."

This rebuke of the perceived next generation of battery technology likely will be poorly received by environmental groups, who previously have hailed Toyota's green leadership, Reinert admitted.

His comments may sound as though Toyota is reversing course on green technology, whereas others such as General Motors are bullish. But Reinert insists that Toyota is merely being realistic. The automaker would rather not raise buyers' hopes, only to dash them.

"Until we are really comfortable with the technology, we won't install it," he said in an interview at the Tokyo auto show. "It could be the following generation or a mid-cycle change."

Lithium ion batteries have had problems with excessive heat and even fires in some test vehicles. Reinert concurred with Okamoto that the first lithium ion vehicle would be a "Prius-type vehicle."

But once that vehicle is launched, lithium ion likely will migrate to the Prius. Toyota is packaging the next-generation Prius with a nickel-metal hydride pack but configured so it can slot lithium ion batteries into the space.

Even if lithium ion is proven, Toyota likely will keep it in just the hybrid-only vehicles and keep nickel-metal hydride batteries in vehicles that also offer standard engines, such as the Camry and Highlander hybrids. Mostly, that is for cost reasons, as lithium ion is projected to cost substantially more than nickel-metal hydride.

Okamoto said those vehicles would receive hybrid variants when they are redesigned.

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« Reply #131 on: November 07, 2007, 05:13:08 pm »
Higher Tundra incentives temper Toyota 2Q profit growth

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November 7, 2007 - 6:56 am ET   
 
TOKYO – Higher U.S. incentives for Tundra pickups tempered profit growth at Toyota Motor Corp. in the fiscal second quarter, but the company still lifted its full-year earnings forecast.

Overall operating profit edged 2.7 percent higher to 596.7 billion yen ($5.01 billion) in the July-September period, compared with 581 billion yen a year earlier.

The result marked the second-highest quarterly operating profit in Toyota’s history, following the record profit of 675.4 billion yen booked in the fiscal first quarter.

Second-quarter consolidated revenue climbed 11.2 percent to 6.49 trillion yen ($57.33 billion).

But in North America, Toyota’s biggest market after Japan, second-quarter operating income actually fell 15 percent to 93.9 billion yen ($829 million).

The decline came despite higher regional sales, which advanced to 735,000 vehicles in the second quarter, from 717,000 units the year before.

Toyota, which announced the results here earlier today, blamed the lackluster U.S. profits on higher incentives to move the new Tundra, higher raw material costs and on increased depreciation write downs for three North American facilities that were expanded last year.

“The momentum has slowed a bit compared with the first quarter,” Senior Managing Director Takeshi Suzuki said. “Tundra and other incentive expenses were higher than expected.”

Toyota did not release figures for its North American incentives. But Suzuki said sales volume was still increasing and putting the company in position for future profit growth there.

The U.S. sub-prime loan problem is not expected to hurt business, and Toyota is standing by its original full-year sales forecast of 2.99 million units in North America, Suzuki said.

The goal represents a 1.6 percent increase over last year, despite the overall market slump.

Thanks in part to booming sales in Russia, China and other developing markets, Toyota lifted a score of full-year earnings targets on Nov. 7, from its earlier outlook.

Worldwide sales are now seen rising to 8.93 million units in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2008, up 40,000 vehicles from Toyota’s previous forecast.

The company meanwhile boosted its full-year net income forecast by 3 percent to 1.7 trillion yen ($15.02 billion) and its annual operating profit prediction by 2.2 percent to 2.3 trillion yen ($20.31 billion).

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« Reply #132 on: November 07, 2007, 05:32:22 pm »
Toyota explores selling heavy-duty pickup

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November 5, 2007 - 12:01 am ET   
 
LAS VEGAS — Toyota's heavy-duty diesel truck rumblings are getting louder.

At the Specialty Equipment Market Association show here last week, Toyota Motor Corp. quietly parked in its display of wild tuner cars the Tundra Diesel Dually, a concept truck that could be a template for Toyota's entry into heavy-duty pickups.

The Tundra Diesel Dually shows how quickly Toyota can field an entry to challenge the top-selling Ford Super Duty pickups, GM's heavy-duty versions of the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra and Chrysler's heavy-duty Dodge Ram.

The Tundra Diesel Dually uses off-the-shelf parts from Toyota, its affiliate companies and suppliers. It has:


An 8.0-liter inline-six turbocharged diesel engine from Hino, Toyota's large truckmaking affiliate.


Hino medium-duty axles.


The body from a regular Tundra CrewMax.


A lengthened Tundra frame.


An Eaton five-speed manual transmission.


A sign near the truck read: "The Tundra Diesel Dually is a study in contrasts that demonstrates Toyota's commitment to exploring new ideas."

Toyota has long been expected to build a big diesel-powered version of the Tundra, but the automaker had said only that it was studying the idea.

The Diesel Dually, which features four rear wheels with 22.5-inch tires, shows Toyota could jump into the market quickly.

A spokesman for Hino said the engine is too big for the Tundra but could be scaled down to around 6.0 liters. He said Toyota has not decided whether it wants an inline six-cylinder engine — a layout used by the Dodge Ram diesel — or a V-8, which is used by Ford and GM diesel trucks. Toyota, he said, has not chosen an engine supplier for the truck.

The Diesel Dually features a tan leather interior; huge, stubby shifter; sunroof; and navigation system. Its huge flared rear wheel wells and beefy looks give the truck a mean look. It is about the size of a Ford F-350 diesel. 

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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #133 on: November 07, 2007, 05:44:41 pm »
WOW!!!!  Do you know how much TQ an 8.0 diesel inline 6 could make?  Stock, it would be 500-600 TQ.  But no doubt it could make 700-800 TQ EASY.
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #134 on: November 07, 2007, 05:53:59 pm »
Toyota picked a bad time to get in the truck market. They will make some sales to the urban dwellers that operate on highways and that nasty gravel drive in the Muskokas but people who haul big gear are a completely different breed.

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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #135 on: November 07, 2007, 06:04:53 pm »
I've seen a number of Tundra Double Cab long boxes at job sites here lately. Maybe Toyota's giving them incentive to try them, or they're opting to themselves?

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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #136 on: November 07, 2007, 08:26:14 pm »
I've seen a number of Tundra Double Cab long boxes at job sites here lately. Maybe Toyota's giving them incentive to try them, or they're opting to themselves?

We got ours for $28k.  Its MSRP is $33k.  It had been sitting on the lot for six months.  For some reason, they're not popular with private owners (maybe because they're like parking a yacht?).  But we really like ours.

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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #137 on: November 07, 2007, 09:25:25 pm »
Toyota picked a bad time to get in the truck market. They will make some sales to the urban dwellers that operate on highways and that nasty gravel drive in the Muskokas but people who haul big gear are a completely different breed.

They picked a perfect time.  :)  Came right up the middle in the half ton market with a superior 1/2 ton at a time when the US is in a tough economic climate and when buyers can no longer AFFORD to screw around with a so so 1/2 ton which is exactly what the domestics produce.

but people who haul big gear are a completely different breed.

 :rofl:  They have been held hostage by the domestics.  When Toyota enters the 3/4 and 1 ton market the domestics will collapse just like their cars have.

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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #138 on: November 07, 2007, 09:30:54 pm »
I've seen a number of Tundra Double Cab long boxes at job sites here lately. Maybe Toyota's giving them incentive to try them, or they're opting to themselves?

We got ours for $28k.  Its MSRP is $33k.  It had been sitting on the lot for six months.  For some reason, they're not popular with private owners (maybe because they're like parking a yacht?).  But we really like ours.

We got ours for $28k.  Its MSRP is $33k.  It had been sitting on the lot for six months.  For some reason, they're not popular with private owners (maybe because they're like parking a yacht?).  But we really like ours.

Details please.  Did you get the parking sonar


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Re: Toyota / Lexus Tidbits
« Reply #139 on: November 07, 2007, 09:33:37 pm »
From Edmunds:

"This diesel-powered inline-6 from Hino displaces 8.0 liters and generates 256 horsepower. The real kicker, however, is the 745-pound-feet of torque it can generate at just 1,500 rpm. Now that’s heavy-duty."

Should be enough torque I would imagine....:)