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Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« on: September 12, 2005, 10:55:25 am »
If we held our breath we would have died... the Veyron is actually a production vehicle. It'll be interesting how they market it, with no dealers and few auto shows.

VW begins production of Bugatti Veyron
Automaker may build a second model

By Wim Oude Weernink
Automotive News / September 12, 2005
 
MOLSHEIM, France - Many doubted the day would ever come. But six years after its auto show debut and two years after a humiliating racetrack crash, the Bugatti Veyron is finally rolling off the assembly line.

Volkswagen AG started production here last week of its $1.24 million, 1,001-hp supercar. And the automaker already is considering a second Bugatti model, probably a four-seater that would share the Veyron's 16-cylinder engine.

Volkswagen is expected to sell the Veyron in the United States but has not said when.

The Veyron project has been in doubt since 2003, when the car spun off California's Laguna Seca Raceway on the first lap of its public debut.

That is just one of the problems the car has faced since it bowed at the 1999 Tokyo auto show. The original concept had to be redesigned completely, said Thomas Bscher, a former banker who has been president of Automobiles Bugatti since November 2003.

600 problems

"When I arrived, I was faced with over 600 collision points (engineering problems) in the car's design," Bscher said in an interview.

Bugatti assembles the Veyron in the eastern French town of Molsheim, where Ettore Bugatti and his family built their famed sports cars and racecars from 1910 until 1956. VW bought the Bugatti brand name in 1998.

Veyron components come from VW or outside suppliers. For example, the carbon-fiber body comes from Italian aircraft builder ATR.

Bscher had to deliver a product that met bold, public promises: a car capable of 1,000 hp and a top speed of nearly 250 mph. But in 2003, the Veyron had two glaring problems: The engine overheated, and the car was unstable at high speeds.

Most engineering changes made were to solve those problems.

Can Bugatti earn a profit?

Now Bscher must focus on the brand's business case.

"It is not realistic to expect short-term profitability," said a VW group spokesman.

Bugatti plans to build 300 Veyrons over five years. At list price, that is more than $370 million in revenue.

"We have firm orders with down payments for about 30 cars now," Bscher said.

Factory-direct

Bscher said that Bugatti will be sold directly from the factory to customers but could be serviced at Bentley dealerships.

VW and Bugatti have been secretive about finances, but Bscher said investment so far could be compared with one year of Formula One racing participation. Industry insiders say that is up to $373 million.

To boost revenues, Bugatti is considering the second model. It won't be a small sports car, as had been rumored.

"We have such a great engine and drivetrain, we better use it again in another large model," Bscher said. "I see it as a four-seat car, with front engine and its own unique chassis."

VW and Bugatti soon will decide whether to build the second model, he said.

"But we will have to finance it from sales revenues of the existing model," Bscher said.

Bugatti will not exhibit at this week's Frankfurt auto show or the 2006 Detroit auto show.

"It would have cost us half a million euros," Bscher said. "We will only go to Tokyo, Los Angeles and Geneva."
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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2005, 11:21:55 am »
Truly another "gross excess" vehicle but it will find a few buyers among the insanely wealthy and Saudi oil shieks. I doubt that it will attain "long term profitablility" either, as VW has already admitted it will not be profitable in the short term.  :-\
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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2005, 12:17:04 pm »
But when you consider the entire effort costs the same as one year of F1, gets me thinkin' that I can see why companies drop out. That's dang expensive to race, and makes the hoopla of this car look like a value.

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2005, 12:23:29 pm »
True, SAM, the costs of running in F1 are so horrendous, I really wonder if the car makers really get their value for money? Does it translate into sales in Europe as we know it does nothing in the NA context. Wouldn't Ferrari still sell it's cars as well without F1? Don't know??

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2005, 12:27:21 pm »
http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4023347&s=Pebble2005&src=News

Speaking of pricey cars - a 1967 Ferrari 275 GTS/4 NART Spyder for $4 million US at auction !!!!!!!!  :o

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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2005, 12:31:15 pm »
Bugatti Vegan....re-think the name...the BIG HATTIE GOURMAND.......would be better....Ol Bugatti would be playin' horseshoes !!! ;)..with their ribs if he knew what was going on.....two points fer those gettin' the reference right??? :think:
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2005, 03:35:30 pm »
True, SAM, the costs of running in F1 are so horrendous, I really wonder if the car makers really get their value for money? Does it translate into sales in Europe as we know it does nothing in the NA context. Wouldn't Ferrari still sell it's cars as well without F1? Don't know??

Isn't that why Porsche isn't in F1 anymore?  And Renault has been in and out and in?  Same with Honda.  I think to an extent economic justifications are thinly veiled reflections of the passions of the powers that be in those companies sometimes.  Sort of like the BMW/Oracle and Alinghi entries in the America's Cup.  The famous Ferrari outlook was they sold road cars to support their racing habit.  Hmmm...that sounds like a Tifosian justification...and overly romantic in this day and age.
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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2005, 09:35:06 am »
Unreal! I had no idea it was THAT much faster than the Carrera GT!!!  :o

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Simply No Comparison: The Bugatti Veyron is in a class by itself
BERND OSTMANN
Published Date: 10/3/05

Despite taking a couple of years longer than first thought, Bugatti finally appears to have delivered on then-Volkswagen chairman Ferdinand Piech’s promise of making the EB16.4 Veyron the world’s fastest road car. It cranks out 987 hp. Blasts to 62 mph in 2.5 seconds. Hits 250 mph flat-out. Hold on as we take it for an exclusive first drive.

This car can’t be measured by traditional road-car standards. It’s just too powerful, too extreme, too darn fast. Nothing, and we mean nothing, can prepare you for the feeling you experience deep within the pit of your stomach the first time you drive it with real purpose. Comparisons with other road cars do not apply, for there simply is no parallel. Not a fair one at least.

For a while we had felt comfortable, if not exactly at home, behind the beautifully crafted aluminum and leather steering wheel of the $1.2 million EB16.4 Veyron. Confident its limits were not beyond our control as we came to grips with it along Bugatti-parent VW’s Ehra-Lessien test track, 30 minutes up the road from the German carmaker’s vast Wolfsburg headquarters. Not even a rain shower that drenched the long oval track earlier in the day had given too much cause for concern. In fact, the cool temperatures had proven a boon for the Bugatti engineers who feared it may get too hot to take a stab at its 250-mph top speed.

However, that was before we pulled into the makeshift service facility erected on the track’s perimeter and watched as Bugatti’s technical director, Wolfgang Schreiber, inserted a second key into a slot to the left of the driver’s seat. Talk about transformation. In this configuration—just one of three in which the Veyron can be programmed—the chassis squats 2.5 inches at the front and 2.75 at the rear. The diffuser flaps in the front close, and the rear spoiler sits at a slight 2-degree angle. The idea is to provide the car with minimal drag as the electronic speed restrictor limiting the low-slung Bugatti’s top speed to 233 mph is sidestepped to release its full potential. It is described as the “top-speed” setting, though on second thought, it ought to be labeled hyperspace.

Every time we pull back on the gear lever to slot home another ratio in the closely stacked seven-speed double-clutch (DSG) transmission, all hell breaks loose. The 8.0-liter W16 engine mounted behind us bellows in anger as we hold the throttle down hard, the needle on its horsepower dial arching its way past the traditional four o’clock position to indicate maximum power has been released as the all-wheel-drive Veyron slams violently forward as though it is mounted on a rocket sled. The sound the car makes, even from within the full-face helmet, makes us wonder how on earth it could ever be street legal.

If it all sounds like an exaggeration, consider the acceleration figures and you might, just might, begin to appreciate the brutality of it all from the thigh-hugging confines of the deeply padded driver’s seat. Although the times are yet to be independently verified, Bugatti claims its new two-seater will hit 62 mph from a standstill in 2.5 seconds, 125 mph in 7.3 seconds, and amazingly, given it tips the scales at a rather portly 4300 pounds, 186 mph in just 16.8 seconds. The words “battering ram” come to mind.
 
For comparison, a Porsche Carrera GT needs 34 seconds to reach that last mark, and we don’t recall anyone describing it as slow. No less than 987 hp delivered at 6000 rpm—more than any other road car on the planet, and by some margin—dishing out a time-warping turn of speed. That the EB16.4 Veyron requires less than half the time it takes the Porsche is a good indication of the sort of force placed on your body as you nail it hard and keep your right foot planted. In the first few degrees of throttle travel, things are quite unremarkable. But as the engine’s four turbo-chargers spool up, there is a violent surge of acceleration as the revs rocket up to the engine’s 6300-rpm cut-out point. When you’re engaging in such action, the air is literally forced from your lungs as the forces build… and build… and build. This is road-car performance at its most potent. It’s backed up by a thumping great 921 lb-ft of torque that’s fed to all four wheels via a Haldex multi-plate clutch and DSG that’s positioned ahead of the engine in a bid to provide the best possible weight distribution. Developed and built by British transmission specialist Ricardo, which claims the magnesium-housed unit takes just 150 milliseconds to shift and can be operated manually or left in automatic mode. The engine and gearbox weigh 1400 pounds, close to one-third of the Veyron’s weight.
 
The suspension itself is fairly conventional, relying on a combination of double wishbones all around with conventional springs, dampers and antiroll bars. To ensure stability remains constant across the  Veyron’s wide speed range, it also incorporates a specially developed hydraulic system that varies the ground clearance in three distinct stages. In the standard setting, the car’s carbon fiber body sits five inches off the ground, the front diffuser flaps allowing air to travel underneath the car remain open, and the rear spoiler sits flush with the rear bodywork. At speeds greater than 135 mph—or when the driver chooses to engage it via a button on the center console—the body adopts what is called the handling setting, automatically lowering to 3.14 inches of clearance at the front and 3.7 at the rear, the diffuser flaps stay open, and the spoiler motors out and is deployed at an angle that varies between 6 degrees and 26 degrees to provide up to 771 pounds of downforce.

Beyond this is the so-called top-speed setting dialed up by Schreiber during our run and allowing the new Bugatti to run all the way to 250 mph. Besides twisting the second key, you are also required to run through a safety list, which includes such things as a tire-pressure check. Overall, the  Veyron’s drag co-efficient varies dramatically—from a low of 0.39 in the standard setting to a downforce-induced 0.42 in handling, and a slipperier 0.36 in top speed.

Although the $1.2 million price is breathtaking, Bugatti is supremely confident it can find 50 customers per year for the EB16.4 Veyron. Employees at the company’s showcase factory on the outskirts of Molsheim in France are expected to produce no more than 300 cars in total during the next six years. North America is already proving a lucrative market, with the majority of the 16 confirmed orders to date.

BY THE NUMBERS
173 mph:Takeoff speed for a Boeing 737
229.9 mph: F1 speed record by Antonio Pizzonia in a Williams-BMW at the ’04 Italian GP
240 mph: Top speed of an Andretti Green Indy Racing League car
241.428 mph: Closed-course speed record set by Gil de Ferran in his Honda-powered Penske Racing Reynard at California Speedway in 2000
250 mph:Top speed of the Bugatti Veyron. It goes from standstill to 250 mph in 55 seconds
11 hours, 9 minutes: Time it would take to get from Los Angeles to New York City @ 250 mph
To prove that there’s always a bigger dog on the block... a nitro-burning Funny Car accelerates to 100 mph in 0.9 second, hitting 230 mph in 2.03 seconds and topping 260 mph in 3.25 seconds. But you can’t do that and drive it to the grocery store, too.

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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2005, 12:57:05 pm »
..YUP..that Bugatti sure is  aFUNNY CAR........hell put a jet engine inna LOTUS 7 then I'll BITE....... :P meh...

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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2005, 01:13:33 pm »
Yeah sure that's all nice... but what about fuel consumption?  ;)

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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2005, 01:26:55 pm »
The Veyron costs $1.25 mill US - does that person really give a rat's a$$ about fuel consumption??  :o ;D

Both Automobile and C&D have write-ups on it in their Nov issues (probably other mags do as well). An interesting beast for sure. Claim is that Bugatti will make money on every Veyron built; but that's after VW has written off the entire Bugatti investment. What price ego, I say.. ;D 8)
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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2005, 10:53:56 pm »
Porsche isn't racing in F1 these days but they are a major player in the racing world (for example Le Mans).  The Carrera GT was produced to compete in a racing class that was abolished weeks before it's introduction.  So the germans made a couple modifications and we got one hell of a supercar YAY!  Renault has left Formula One a few years ago because they had nothing left to prove ... Villeneuve can thank them for his ONLY world championchip.  Now he's trying to finish races with recycled old Ferrari engines.  Anyway, Renault came back and now they won everything again with Alonzo yesterday ... they're lucky that Kimi's Mercedes had so many problems this year. 

I've read somewhere that each time Ferrari is on the podium you can see a spike in sales in the dealerships.  So racing in Formula 1 is a good thing ... if you're winning!  Also, Enzo Ferrari (the owner not the car) never wanted to sell road cars ... he just did it to finance the racing branch of the company.  Concerning Honda, they're only in it for the engines so that probably means they're not gonna go anywhere soon ... but I'm still wondering why Toyota hasn't been winning.  They're producing the whole car themselves (usually a good thing) ... like Ferrari.
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2005, 10:02:02 am »
Concerning Honda, they're only in it for the engines so that probably means they're not gonna go anywhere soon ... but I'm still wondering why Toyota hasn't been winning.  They're producing the whole car themselves (usually a good thing) ... like Ferrari.

If Honda is only in it for the engines, then why did they just buy out British American Tobacco's stake in the team and take overall ownership of the BAR Honda F1 Team?  Also, do you think Jenson Button bought out his contract with Sir Frank with just his OWN money?  Please... Honda is not in it just for the engines...  Honda has a tremendous F1 history...  They are in it because F1 is where the big boys play...


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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2005, 10:29:44 am »
And the main interest for all these car manufacturers in F1 is visibility. It allows them to display their technical know-how, and as an added bonus, it forces them to push the technological enveloppe, and some of those technologies developped will trickle down to their consumer vehicles down the line...

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2005, 11:46:32 am »
And the main interest for all these car manufacturers in F1 is visibility. It allows them to display their technical know-how, and as an added bonus, it forces them to push the technological enveloppe, and some of those technologies developped will trickle down to their consumer vehicles down the line...

Exactly...  VTEC, sequential transmissions, paddle shift, traction control, carbon fibre bodies, and now launch control...  Tires too...


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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2005, 01:41:25 pm »
...Launch CONTROL...!!! to footlong ..........................the vehicle has left the building...the last time I "trickled down" I spoiled ma Mahnola Blahniks.........Bridge wisely wears PEEREALIES......!!!!!.....FOR the MONEY ...nearly said MONET...they spend on 5 foot nuffin ex Go_Fa..CART drivers..I could fill up Cirque De MIDGETS....an the extra Billion that the OTHER DWARF..!! ;)...spends on Lawyers and "hair-cuts"...we could send Parliament to the MOON.....a much better investment >:(

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2005, 02:25:33 pm »
Honda bought BAR's shares like a week ago ... after over a 100 races with the team!  They bought Button's contract ... Honda has money, no suprise there.  They're after Barrichello (a.k.a. Shumi's :censor:) to come drive for them now that Sato is gone to the new mysterious Honda team for 2006 (and it's not Minardi ... now called Toro Rosso by Red Bull).  Sato can thank Honda and their Asian driver policy for that one.

Looks like one of the "big boys" couldn't cut it ... Williams drops BMW engines.  Any takers?

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Re: Bugatti Veyron rolls off the line!
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2005, 02:31:03 pm »
..BUGATTI..."ROLLS" off the line how cryptic/cynical/funny......It's VW on STEROIDS......even Shnak likes IT....and Bridge is waiting fer the Passationless Yenta version.....!!!!! ;D

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2005, 02:39:52 pm »
..BUGATTI..."ROLLS" off the line how cryptic/cynical/funny......It's VW on STEROIDS......even Shnak likes IT....and Bridge is waiting fer the Passationless Yenta version.....!!!!! ;D

Well I haven't said if I liked it or not... I'll have to see for myself how the dash feels before deciding if I like it or not!  ;)