Stopped in a Superstore, and I saw this:I've seen it driving around occasionally, too. I wonder how many OG Grand Caravans are left?
Look at how small it is. It's barely larger than the Saturn Astra that it's parked next to. I think it's sized similarly to the Chevy Orlando, and Kia Rondo mini-minivans that came out about a decade ago.
Quote from: Great_Big_Abyss on May 13, 2023, 11:06:44 amLook at how small it is. It's barely larger than the Saturn Astra that it's parked next to. I think it's sized similarly to the Chevy Orlando, and Kia Rondo mini-minivans that came out about a decade ago.Wonder how small it would look alongside a modern minivan. Like the full size GM pickup from 88-98, they look like a compact truck next to newer models
Quote from: Great_Big_Abyss on May 12, 2023, 09:21:13 pmStopped in a Superstore, and I saw this:I've seen it driving around occasionally, too. I wonder how many OG Grand Caravans are left?DimensionsLength 190.5 in.Overall width without mirrors 72.2 in.Height 64.7 in.Wheelbase 119.3 in.Maximum cargo capacity 150 cu.ft.
Quote from: Bubba on May 13, 2023, 12:18:16 pmQuote from: Great_Big_Abyss on May 12, 2023, 09:21:13 pmStopped in a Superstore, and I saw this:I've seen it driving around occasionally, too. I wonder how many OG Grand Caravans are left?DimensionsLength 190.5 in.Overall width without mirrors 72.2 in.Height 64.7 in.Wheelbase 119.3 in.Maximum cargo capacity 150 cu.ft.alcoholic house painters and drywallers.
Quote from: ktm525 on May 16, 2023, 10:55:00 amQuote from: Bubba on May 13, 2023, 12:18:16 pmQuote from: Great_Big_Abyss on May 12, 2023, 09:21:13 pmStopped in a Superstore, and I saw this:I've seen it driving around occasionally, too. I wonder how many OG Grand Caravans are left?DimensionsLength 190.5 in.Overall width without mirrors 72.2 in.Height 64.7 in.Wheelbase 119.3 in.Maximum cargo capacity 150 cu.ft.alcoholic house painters and drywallers.Recently saw one of the new "Grand Caravan"s - a decontented Pacifica. If they issued a CVP on this for $19,995 they would sell like hotcakes - but that won't happen.
Quote from: Blueprint on May 16, 2023, 10:59:19 amQuote from: ktm525 on May 16, 2023, 10:55:00 amQuote from: Bubba on May 13, 2023, 12:18:16 pmQuote from: Great_Big_Abyss on May 12, 2023, 09:21:13 pmStopped in a Superstore, and I saw this:I've seen it driving around occasionally, too. I wonder how many OG Grand Caravans are left?DimensionsLength 190.5 in.Overall width without mirrors 72.2 in.Height 64.7 in.Wheelbase 119.3 in.Maximum cargo capacity 150 cu.ft.alcoholic house painters and drywallers.Recently saw one of the new "Grand Caravan"s - a decontented Pacifica. If they issued a CVP on this for $19,995 they would sell like hotcakes - but that won't happen.If they sold them for less than $40k, they'd sell like hotcakes. People needing to schlep a family around are paying into the $30s for 5-7 year old 3-rows that have lived a hard life.
This is what a minivan should be for young families. Some disposable, $20k thing that will be filled with snot, candy and garbage for the next 10 years and then just disposed of. $50k+ minivans make zero sense to me, even the AWD ones, as they are meant for families with young crotch goblins which means they will be destroyed in no time.
Quote from: Fobroader on May 16, 2023, 01:05:03 pmThis is what a minivan should be for young families. Some disposable, $20k thing that will be filled with snot, candy and garbage for the next 10 years and then just disposed of. $50k+ minivans make zero sense to me, even the AWD ones, as they are meant for families with young crotch goblins which means they will be destroyed in no time.That's what my sister pointed out, but she also mentioned that reliability is huge for a family machine, and every second person I know with one of those Caravans has a horror story of being stranded.They settled on a used Sienna and that thing has carted the family around for years without issue
Quote from: PJungnitsch on May 16, 2023, 01:21:11 pmQuote from: Fobroader on May 16, 2023, 01:05:03 pmThis is what a minivan should be for young families. Some disposable, $20k thing that will be filled with snot, candy and garbage for the next 10 years and then just disposed of. $50k+ minivans make zero sense to me, even the AWD ones, as they are meant for families with young crotch goblins which means they will be destroyed in no time.That's what my sister pointed out, but she also mentioned that reliability is huge for a family machine, and every second person I know with one of those Caravans has a horror story of being stranded.They settled on a used Sienna and that thing has carted the family around for years without issueAs a counterpoint....I ton of young families I know literally take a "fix it when it breaks" approach to vehicle maintenance. Up until recently, NB had annual safety inspections...so a ton of vehicles only see a shop at inspection time (and hopefully get an oil change at the same time). I bet most can't tell you when the last time any fluid was changed, etc. As I've said, family haulers lead a hard life, and I would not assume any 3-row or van has been well maintained unless I knew the previous owner.
Quote from: PJungnitsch on May 16, 2023, 01:21:11 pmQuote from: Fobroader on May 16, 2023, 01:05:03 pmThis is what a minivan should be for young families. Some disposable, $20k thing that will be filled with snot, candy and garbage for the next 10 years and then just disposed of. $50k+ minivans make zero sense to me, even the AWD ones, as they are meant for families with young crotch goblins which means they will be destroyed in no time.That's what my sister pointed out, but she also mentioned that reliability is huge for a family machine, and every second person I know with one of those Caravans has a horror story of being stranded.They settled on a used Sienna and that thing has carted the family around for years without issueReally?!?! Huh, I always thought of those things as pretty reliable but, mind you, I never really knew anyone with one How the hell can Chrysler screw up something so simple!?!?!?
in a similar yet different theme, drove by this small collection of full size vans on the way to a meeting the other day:https://goo.gl/maps/DeeM3iLjwcX545rAA(check out the satellite and street views)I hardly ever see these vans on the road anymore and the ones I do see are for always for a business/contractor.