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« on: February 10, 2005, 12:24:28 pm »
See car at: http://www.canadatrader.com/result/detailinfo.aspx?adID=6147649&pgno=1

They have this 2003 Passat GLS Auto (with 49,300km on it) at the same dealership where I purchased my current Golf. 1.8T, Auto, sunroof (I fit in it!!), alloys, fog lights, etc, etc. It is sold with the VW Certified Warranty which gives me an extra 2 years/40,000km of full-coverage warranty, which means the car will be covered until it hits 120,000KM.

I test drove it and really liked it. From what I've read, the 1.8T really is the engine to get compared to the V6 for the Passat, burns less fuel, more reliable.

I've always had a big thing for Passats, and it seems I'll be able to work out a decent deal on this one, trading-in my Golf, even switching my current PhatNoise into the Passat. Payments will be a bit higher, but I'm getting more car too... with pretty much a full warranty. As an extra bonus, the wheel size is exactly the same as my current Golf so I'll be able to just put my new winter tires on it!

So... does this seem a good buy to you guys? Does anyone here on this board have a Volks with that 1.8T engine?

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2005, 12:43:21 pm »
Shnak the only thing u should look for in these engines is for sludge problems....and keep and eye open with the oil changes...the must be religious done!!!

for the rest of the car....i dunno...other specialists will help u...u might find some info under msn.com....

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2005, 01:03:20 pm »
yeah I have to understand what is the whole thing about sludge problems... I thought this didn't happened if you used synthetic oil, no?

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2005, 01:07:54 pm »
No advice, just a comment.  Nice car!  Good luck, and I hope you can swing a deal on the Passat.

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2005, 01:21:40 pm »
Hey, is that Passat blue as the description says or Fresco Green? Love the green, but the blues a nice too.

Most people I know have the 1.8T (my one friend has a 2.0L and me the TDi) in various cars. My bro has an '01 Jetta 1.8T Wolfsburg, friend an '02 GTI 337 Edition with the 1.8T - his parents a '99 Passat 1.8T sedan and recently picked up an '04 Passat 1.8T Wagon. Heck, the basic 1.8L engine block dates back years I've been told in non-turbo form into the gen III cars which other friends have.  

The 1.8T coil spring issue was like a recall, and the sludge issue is the same that affected Toyota V6's - people did not change their oil at regularily scheduled intervals, and the 1.8T should really be run on synthetic as recommended. Also, premium fuel is recommended for max performance, but my bro doesn't use it and seems okay without.    

The engine itself is a much better one than the VR6 was/is. More punchy, more economical, lighter, and more reliable. Little less smooth and quiet, but otherwise the clear winner.

EDIT: My friend driving the GTI 337 commented that his old Passat was the best driving car he's ever felt. A tank. Like nothing else. How was yours?


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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2005, 01:32:17 pm »
Siraqua, it's actually a light green, so I guess Fresco Green.

Well I couldn't really push the car very far because it's snowing around here so there's a little snow/slush on the roads and the Passat only has all-season tires... But acceleration seemed great and the car overall felt very solid.

So, is premium only recommended, or required? If only recommended, I guess I could do what I used to do with my '91 Passat, fill it up with premium fuel at every 2 or 3 tank.

I'll take it out for a spin later tonight (my girlfriend works until 4pm) or maybe tomorrow morning.

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2005, 01:53:25 pm »


The 1.8T was on Ward's Best Engines list till last year or so.
Seems like a great car. REALLY like the Fresco Green! Just, watch the payments, eh! Affordability factor.

The VW CPO program is great. Extending the warranty on top of the original warranty. It's an awesome deal on a low km nearly new model.

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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2005, 02:27:29 pm »
VW doesn't have the guts to tell potential buyers that the 1.8T does require premium fuel because they are worried that they will scare cheapo buyers off.

When you don't use premium the engine detonates and the knock sensors pick up the vibration and the ECU, after receiving this signal, detunes the motor by usually retarding the advance.  So Shank, if putting premium fuel is too much for you mentally, don't buy it.  Besides, your mileage will decrease when the knock sensors activate.

Knock sensors are there to protect the motor in case low octane fuel is the only fuel available.  BMW have this statement in most of their owner manuals.  They don't try and BS buyers about premium being a "performance option".

Which brings up the problem of buying used cars from manufactures that insinuate that the car will run fine on 87.  I would not want to be the end owner of a car with a motor that is designed for premium but gets driven with 87 for 48K km.

As for the syn oil changes, that should be on record at the Dealership.  If it unavailable I wouldn't buy it.

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2005, 02:31:52 pm »

VW recommends premium. As does Toyota in their 1.8L base 140hp Celica engine. The engineers at Toyota office claim they run regular in the engine and it's fine, but don't if you plan on revving it lots.  

The Honda Odyssey's engine is rated at X with premium, about 5-10hp lower on regular.

I would at minimum put mid-range in the Passat.


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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2005, 02:41:47 pm »
ok that's good to know... I'm not sure if that's even possible but I'll try to contact the previous owner to see what kind of fuel he used in it... and I'll definitely ask for service records at the dealership...

I'm worried about the sludge issue though... What can I do about it? What is the problem exactly? Are there any recalls or service buletins that I should inquire about?

Hey cool, I just noticed that I'll be able to get a 750$ rebate because it's a certified pre-owned vehicle and that it's been less than 2 years since I graduated from university!

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2005, 02:50:26 pm »


The dealer may not be able to give you previous service records because of the Privacy Act. But would probably confirm with you what servicing was done, without giving you the documentation.  

DON'T WORRY about the sludge. It's not an issue if you service the car as scheduled, and especially put in syn.


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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2005, 03:17:02 pm »
OK, I have never heard of not getting records from a dealer.  I get them all the time from dealer service departments.  BMW dealers for example are very use to these requests.

Shank, just tell the dealer that you want every oil change detailed.  It should be in the owner's manual booklet usually kept in the glove comparent.  You known, stamped and signed by the service advisor.

The VW service interval calls for 8,000 km, which based on this car's mileage was probably every 4 months.  However, it all depends on useage.  If this car was used for short hauls then that is not good if regular dino oil was used.  Much too long between changes.  If 100% synthetic used then different story.  However, "semi-synthetic" oil would be a no go.

Shank, did you look in the glove compartment?  9 out of 10 times with expensive cars like this the owners name is always printed in the owner's manual (service booklet).  Usually has their phone number either at work or home.

Then you will see if it is a leased car or owner car.  Owner car being better.  Ask owner if the have teenage drivers?  I have contacted many previous owners.  Last Bimmer I traded with a car wholesaler only had one key and I phoned the original owner up in Toronto and he had the key and I meet him a month later at his office in Mississauga.  Bimmer keys run close to 200 bucks and are a PIA to get.

FYI, the higher the rpm in 4 strokes, the less likely detonation occurs.  The deto is really bad at low rpms under load which is the case with automatics. Although, some stick drivers shift at some insanely low rpms.

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2005, 03:21:54 pm »
SirA dont try to tell him that the sludge problem is not something to worry about coz it might cost him a fortune to fix...

Shank more info:

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=100717
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/vw_sludge.html

the only that should take special attention, as i mentioned before, is the engine...coz u dont know how it was previous serviced...if the engine is OK then jump on it....and dont forget to use Premium gas and syntetic oil on the engine....

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2005, 03:46:29 pm »
AS, I'm not sure I get what you meant by FYI, the higher the rpm in 4 strokes, the less likely detonation occurs. The deto is really bad at low rpms under load which is the case with automatics. Although, some stick drivers shift at some insanely low rpms.

Can you clarify this please?

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2005, 03:49:48 pm »



The article detailed exactly what I stated. It's generally due to lack of servicing and oil deterioration, and the issue is not limited to VWs.

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2005, 04:07:01 pm »
Shnak I tested a 2002 Passat and no kidding found it a tight fit and I'm not in your league.At the time I was comparing it to the Maxima's,Infiniti I30t and Mazda Millenia..am I missing something here..it was by far the most cramped....!!!????...the new 2005 looks like more your size...this is NOT a joke..just my observations on these 4 rides.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2005, 04:39:13 pm »


Maxima has lots of room too, but Passat fits me best as well. Lots of room up front.

It's all to do with the height adjustable seat, the long seat track/travel where you can push it all the way back, and the tilt/telescopic wheel.  The A-pillar comes in more than in a Golf/Jetta and the centre console is larger, but otherwise great room inside.

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2005, 04:55:40 pm »
Okay - time out. There are three of us on this board with Passats - two of us having 03's.

Mark has the 1.8 and I have the V6. Both engines request premium fuel, but I use mid grade and have not noticed a big difference.

The 1.8 is a great engine, but like all high winders, you pay a price sooner or later in wear and tear. This engine had coil issues which I'm sure have been fixed or were excluded but you do need to know.

And as others have said, sludge isn't a concern if you do regular changes and have it documented. Synthetic isn't required but either are a lot of other things, but I think it runs better and for sure it starts better.

The Passat uses syn and the Forester doesn't. Guess which one starts quicker?

And Shnak like you I tried many cars before I settled on the "Sat and the headroom is great. As to Saffy's comment about space - yes it is a little tighter but there is nothing wrong with being intimate - or a least a little closer. I prefer it that way.

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2005, 04:59:08 pm »
Boxers or briefs Inco?  Do the boys need room or do they like ta cuddle?  :-)

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2005, 05:02:58 pm »
Oh so I shoulda made it into a 2 seater....ALL THE way back ...why did I (or he..the salesman) not mention that...d'oh...I don't buy it!!(I didn't)
the elbow room was also tight...maybe my winter jacket was to blame?Price was jokingly high too..sorry NO SALE...the 2005 is another story..all in all many overseas mid priced cars are too small...prolly to fit the home markets..tight parking,smaller roads whatever and yes we ALL are getting bigger/taller/fatter whatever so make us comfortable...I don't want to live in a 560sq foot Japanese apt...cozy though it may be or a sub 1,000 foor Euro Flat or
semi.....