Topic: 2025 MAZDA CX-50 (Gas and Hybrid)

[quadzilla]

https://en.media.mazda.ca/2024-07-09-2025-Mazda-CX-50-Pricing-and-Packaging

Pricing is out...

CX-50 GS-L
$39,950

CX-50 GT
$45,350

CX-50 Hybrid GS-L
$42,950

CX-50 Hybrid Kuro
$44,850

CX-50 Hybrid GT
$48,350

CX-50 GT Turbo
$47,850

CX-50 Meridian Edition
$50,350

CX-50 Meridian Edition Apex Package
$51,750

MSRP does not include $2,095 for freight & PDE, taxes, title or additional fees.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Damn,  you shoulda waited another couple months before jumping on that Rav4 hybrid, lol.

[PJungnitsch]

An extra 3 grand for the hybrid would seem like a no brainer. Wonder what the supply is going to be like?

[marcus_go]

An extra 3 grand for the hybrid would seem like a no brainer. Wonder what the supply is going to be like?

Yup, that is the big question. Toyota RAV4 Hybrid has long waitlists so I can imagine people flocking to this and the waitlists becoming long.

[quadzilla]

Damn,  you shoulda waited another couple months before jumping on that Rav4 hybrid, lol.

I gave up waiting for Mazda and Subaru to release details, pricing, and release dates. Also, the CX-50 is 5 inches longer than the RAV and I didn't want a bigger car. The RAV is 1.6 inches shorter than my Corolla.

Which is too bad as I actually like the CX-50 and was on my short list.

[quadzilla]

Also, what does "late 2024" really mean when Mazda says it. I could have been easily waiting until late spring or even summer 2025.   

[JohnnyMac]

An extra 3 grand for the hybrid would seem like a no brainer. Wonder what the supply is going to be like?

I seem to remember back in 2020 when we bought our RAV4 hybrid that the price difference was something like $1,500 between the gas model.  Truly was a no brainer.

[Blueprint]

An extra 3 grand for the hybrid would seem like a no brainer. Wonder what the supply is going to be like?

Probably won't be too bad as nobody will get that it has a 100% Toyota drivetrain, right down to the 2.5 litre four.

[sailor723]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but do these run on electric only mode? Strange that they don't give an electric range.

[Blueprint]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but do these run on electric only mode? Strange that they don't give an electric range.

No, plain hybrids can only drive a km or two tops at low speeds in EV mode due to the small capacity of their batteries. They're not intended for that. Now, if this had been a "Prime" version, I'd be already putting my name down!

[sailor723]

Right, so "hybrid" not "PHEV"

[sailor723]

OK, so here's some more questions.....

Just how many L/100kms does the hybrid save you over the gas only models?  Any other advantages (or disadvantages) in comparing the two?

Given that PHEV seems to be the sweet spot right now between ICE and EV and in big demand, is it strange that Mazda chose to go hybrid? ......sort of yesterday's, transitional tech?

[Great_Big_Abyss]

OK, so here's some more questions.....

Just how many L/100kms does the hybrid save you over the gas only models?  Any other advantages (or disadvantages) in comparing the two?

Given that PHEV seems to be the sweet spot right now between ICE and EV and in big demand, is it strange that Mazda chose to go hybrid? ......sort of yesterday's, transitional tech?

I don't think so.  Mazda's been pretty behind the eightball when it comes to electrifying.  Their current platforms (CX-5, CX-50) are pretty old now, and I think they're just adding some interim hybrid tech to them to tide them over until the next full redesign.  I think the next full redesign of the CX-5 will be designed with PHEV tech baked in, much as the new CX-90/CX-70 were designed as such. 

[Blueprint]

OK, so here's some more questions.....

Just how many L/100kms does the hybrid save you over the gas only models?  Any other advantages (or disadvantages) in comparing the two?

Given that PHEV seems to be the sweet spot right now between ICE and EV and in big demand, is it strange that Mazda chose to go hybrid? ......sort of yesterday's, transitional tech?

I'd say city fuel economy should be near 60% of the gasser's, so the tech still works and is fully transparent, no driver input and no plug required.

[JohnnyMac]

OK, so here's some more questions.....

Just how many L/100kms does the hybrid save you over the gas only models?  Any other advantages (or disadvantages) in comparing the two?

Given that PHEV seems to be the sweet spot right now between ICE and EV and in big demand, is it strange that Mazda chose to go hybrid? ......sort of yesterday's, transitional tech?

If it's the same power levels as the Rav4 Hybrid, I think the HP is better over the standard non-turbo version.  Something else that seems to get missed, the brakes on Toyota Hybrids seem to last quite a bit longer than on standard ICE vehicle. 

Why don't they offer PHEV, well the main reason is likely just the ability to produce enough.  The Rav4 Prime has been extremely limited in volume compared to demand, so they likely were not really interested in sharing those resources with Mazda at the cost of their own customers.  Not to mention as GBA stated it likely wasn't designed to fit such a system when it was developed.  The next generation will likely offer it.

[quadzilla]

Adding real numbers.

RAV4 (Hybrid) City: 5.7   Highway:6.2
RAV4 (Gas) City: 9.4   Highway:7.1
Mazda CX-50 (Gas 2.5L) City: 9.8   Highway:7.8

Price spread on the RAV4

Gas: $36,215.08 - $47,815.08 (4 trim levels)
Hybrid $39,015.08 - $50,015.08 (5 trim levels)
Prime $54,215.08 - $59,055.08 (2 trim levels)

Both the Hybrid XLE ($42,115.08) and SE ($43,915.08) are very well spec'd. That makes a big jump to the Prime which take a while to get your money back in pure EV driving.

[z973]

even the Hybrid is not for everyone like me i do 75% of highway driving and the 3000$+TX it would take me 7.5 years to get my money back

[quadzilla]

I ran some numbers, hopefully I remembered how to use my slide ruler. Using the RAV4 numbers from above....

10,000 km city and 5,000 km highway @ $1.60/L = $1,408 (Hybrid) and $2,072 (Gas). Difference = $664
5,000 km city and 10,000 km highway @ 1.60/L = $1,448 (Hybrid) and $1,888 (Gas). Difference = $440

[sailor723]

I ran some numbers, hopefully I remembered how to use my slide ruler. Using the RAV4 numbers from above....

10,000 km city and 5,000 km highway @ $1.60/L = $1,408 (Hybrid) and $2,072 (Gas). Difference = $664
5,000 km city and 10,000 km highway @ 1.60/L = $1,448 (Hybrid) and $1,888 (Gas). Difference = $440

So, assuming you are keeping the car 4-5 years dollar wise it's a wash. Seems like you are just prepaying for the fuel saving. 

I can understand the attraction of a PHEV with 50-60 km range. For me most days I wouldn't run on gas at all. The hybrid doesn't really seem to have any real advantage except perhaps some power over the base NA four.

[quadzilla]

The extra $10K to buy the Prime would still buy a lot of fuel

With just straight city driving, it is about 110,000 km for the hybrid and 66,000 for the gas.