Topic: 2022 Toyota Tundra Hybrid Towing Test

[rrocket]

OMG!!  A Tundra cab being lifted on a normal 2 post lift!!

WHAT VOODOO IS THIS??   

[ArticSteve]

OMG!!  A Tundra cab being lifted on a normal 2 post lift!!

You're being such a d*ck lately.  They are all 2 post lifts.  It's booked at 20 plus hours on a brand new Tundra.  That means that vehicle will be on a lift for minimum of 3 days.  Could be a week if problems happen and they do.  That means that bay is tied up as in DEDICATED; it's a term service ppl use when a vehicle is tying up a lift for a length of time.

[rrocket]

You're being such a d*ck lately. 

Because I'm calling out your silliness the last couple of days?

If so....guilty as charged!!   

[PJungnitsch]

Cab removal has been a common thing for diesel pickups for years:

https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/step-by-step/

[ArticSteve]

Not hard for a good experienced mechanic to remove the cab on a pickup in a dealership garage with all the equipment available to them. Though I do agree with AS that after 5 or so winters in Ontario those bolts might be a bit crusty, however, blast them with PB blaster 24hrs in advance & it's not that bad anymore.

Didn't take Alex too long on Legit Street Cars on an old SVT Lightening

Ridiculous comparison.  Try 8 years in salt.  That's usually the age where major sh*t starts to happen.  You'd end up using a plazma cutter and installing all new hardware.  The time involved would be crazy.   In today's dollars that would be $4K just for the body removal plus the actual repair.  For one turbo or a wastegate? 

[ArticSteve]

Cab removal has been a common thing for diesel pickups for years:

https://www.dieselworldmag.com/diesel-technology/step-by-step/

Ya, that's really common knowledge in the industry. GM and RAM dealers used that to great effect.  Ford guys were highly ridiculed over that for years.   Ford certainly didn't let that happen again.  Do you think this cab removal is free?  That's the point.  It's such a stupid argument you ppl are putting forward that an owner of an older Tundra is going to pay $4K to have their crewcab removed to fix a turbo or wastegate.  Then reinstall and hope the repair works or lasts.

Toyota will redesign it soon.

[ArticSteve]

You're being such a d*ck lately. 

Because I'm calling out your silliness the last couple of days?

If so....guilty as charged!!   

Just stop with the stupid slights.  Let the other notable members take that space.

[rrocket]

  Do you think this cab removal is free? 

But mechanics from all marques are saying it's "faster" when they have to lift the cab.

So are they lying??  You know damn well working in a garage they will always do things the quicker way.  So yea, it's not "free" but from what I'm reading it's ultimately the quicker way.  Particularly if it was designed that way from the get go.

[rrocket]

You're being such a d*ck lately. 

Because I'm calling out your silliness the last couple of days?

If so....guilty as charged!!   

Just stop with the stupid slights.  Let the other notable members take that space.

Sorry man.

But sometimes your "facts" become hyperbole and need to be reigned in.

[ArticSteve]

Like this thread?  Just whip a crewcab off one of these new Tundras, repair/replace turbo, reinstall everything perfectly; AC, heat, steering column, so many things.  It's so bizzare to think ppl have the money for that when it's seen it's better days.  All because of a very, very, stupid design.  Ford did that once and they lost a ton of money and a ton of customers to GM and RAM and it's going to happen to Toyota on this vehicle.  I had one for few days.  It's not good.  It's not like that previous one.  It won't have a fraction of the used appeal.

Should we talk about the remote start?  Annual subscription required.  What kind of a moron would buy that vehicle and be forced to pay a subscription year after year.  Like factory NAV?  I do.  Same friggin thing.  Toyota built an idiotic 1/2 ton for idiots. 

Is that hyperbole? 

[rrocket]

Like this thread?  Just whip a crewcab off one of these new Tundras, repair/replace turbo, reinstall everything perfectly; AC, heat, steering column, so many things.  It's so bizzare to think ppl have the money for that when it's seen it's better days.  All because of a very, very, stupid design.  Ford did that once and they lost a ton of money and a ton of customers to GM and RAM and it's going to happen to Toyota on this vehicle.  I had one for few days.  It's not good.  It's not like that previous one.  It won't have a fraction of the used appeal.

Should we talk about the remote start?  Annual subscription required.  What kind of a moron would buy that vehicle and be forced to pay a subscription year after year.  Like factory NAV?  I do.  Same friggin thing.  Toyota built an idiotic 1/2 ton for idiots. 

Is that hyperbole? 

Well I'll agree that anything subscription based is silly.

Sadly, the more I read the more it seems car companies will be doing this subscription based nonsense unless there's a consumer revolt.

[OliverD]

Isn't the remote start subscription based because there is a cost associated with having the vehicle communicate via cell phone towers? I assume remote start in these things is via an app on your phone.

[dkaz]

I would think so. Is there still remote start via key fob?

[PJungnitsch]

Subaru seems to be a similar system. First three years are free, then there would be some sort of annual payment. Nice part is you don't need to be in line of sight or anything

I think there is some remote capability built into the regular fob, but it is not obvious

[HeliDriver]

Subaru seems to be a similar system. First three years are free, then there would be some sort of annual payment. Nice part is you don't need to be in line of sight or anything

I think there is some remote capability built into the regular fob, but it is not obvious

I didn’t look it into too closely (no remote start on the manual) but I don’t believe there is. Remote start is through the app only.

When the three years is up, you need to pay to keep the app and the remote start. Just happened to an acquaintance and IIRC he said the fee is around $180/year.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Subaru seems to be a similar system. First three years are free, then there would be some sort of annual payment. Nice part is you don't need to be in line of sight or anything

I think there is some remote capability built into the regular fob, but it is not obvious

I didn’t look it into too closely (no remote start on the manual) but I don’t believe there is. Remote start is through the app only.

When the three years is up, you need to pay to keep the app and the remote start. Just happened to an acquaintance and IIRC he said the fee is around $180/year.

^^^Ouch.  Basically a small cell bill.  They're sounding like drug dealers - get you hooked for three years for free, then when it expires, you're used to being able to start your car remotely, and feel like you need to keep paying for it. 

[WP v3.32]

I did remove the turbo off my 1997 sierra once. No experience, just wrenches and beers, only took couple hours but I know these new vehicles are way more advanced and compact in the hood but removing the whole cab to get to the part seams like an oversight.  Specially when it's the part that breaks down.   From a guy that buys Toyotas or any vehicles at usually 200k and drives them to 300K+  this is a turn off.   if the problem is only on the release year and resolved then it's not such a big issue.   

can't wait to see someone post a quote for ne turbo once our of warranty 

[quadzilla]

Considering how many people around here like to pre-warm their car even at temps of +10C, they probably wouldn't flinch at paying for a subscription. 

[dkaz]

[HeliDriver]

^^