Topic: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Review and Video

[Layne]

One thing to think about is that even at 90 kWh/100km charging at a Petro Canada level 3 charger at 35 cents per minute, that's about $12.60 per 100km to tow. I spent $45 per 100km when gas was $1.75 per litre. $200 to Jasper in an ICE truck in a trip for a total travel time of 5-6 hours each way (I did 95 km/h to save gas plus rest/gas breaks) vs. $50 to Jasper in an EV truck for a total travel time of 6-7 hours with rest/charging breaks.

I'm assuming that was towing your travel trailer?  It's all well and good to say the EV truck would be cheaper to run the same trip, but the fact is that when pulling a travel trailer, the Lightning will not make it to Jasper.

This is conveniently ignored by most.

[Layne]

Most people don't tow with their trucks.

Depends on where you live.  Your sample of 1 may be biased.

[Fobroader]

Most people don't tow with their trucks.

Depends on where you live.  Your sample of 1 may be biased.

I know all of my friends with trucks tow things, hell, I've towed a trailer with my Japanese El Camino.......

[JohnnyMac]

Most people don't tow with their trucks.

Depends on where you live.  Your sample of 1 may be biased.

I don't think it should be just "towing" but more specific towing.  That is longer than say 150kms before having access to a charger.  A friend of ours has owned a pickup truck for over 20 years, has a boat and recently got a nice utility trailer.  He tows, but he doesn't tow more than 50kms at one time. 

I would say there are definitely quite a few people out there that tow, but there would be some of them that wouldn't tow more than 150kms before having access to a charger.  Obviously this truck is not the best for long distance towing of any kind.  But shorter distance, it can handle.

Again, this is 100% a compromise and does not live up to the ICE competition.  But then it does offer quite a few advantages over the ICE as well.  So in the end, it's not for everyone.

[Fobroader]

Most people don't tow with their trucks.

Depends on where you live.  Your sample of 1 may be biased.

I don't think it should be just "towing" but more specific towing.  That is longer than say 150kms before having access to a charger.  A friend of ours has owned a pickup truck for over 20 years, has a boat and recently got a nice utility trailer.  He tows, but he doesn't tow more than 50kms at one time. 

I would say there are definitely quite a few people out there that tow, but there would be some of them that wouldn't tow more than 150kms before having access to a charger.  Obviously this truck is not the best for long distance towing of any kind.  But shorter distance, it can handle.

Again, this is 100% a compromise and does not live up to the ICE competition.  But then it does offer quite a few advantages over the ICE as well.  So in the end, it's not for everyone.

But again, if I have to immediately put the freaking thing on a charger for an hour after towing something across town, thats kinda meaningless.

[JohnnyMac]

Most people don't tow with their trucks.

Depends on where you live.  Your sample of 1 may be biased.

I don't think it should be just "towing" but more specific towing.  That is longer than say 150kms before having access to a charger.  A friend of ours has owned a pickup truck for over 20 years, has a boat and recently got a nice utility trailer.  He tows, but he doesn't tow more than 50kms at one time. 

I would say there are definitely quite a few people out there that tow, but there would be some of them that wouldn't tow more than 150kms before having access to a charger.  Obviously this truck is not the best for long distance towing of any kind.  But shorter distance, it can handle.

Again, this is 100% a compromise and does not live up to the ICE competition.  But then it does offer quite a few advantages over the ICE as well.  So in the end, it's not for everyone.

But again, if I have to immediately put the freaking thing on a charger for an hour after towing something across town, thats kinda meaningless.

Across town?  How big of a town you got.  We are talking about 150kms.  If it's say 30kms across town in stop and go traffic towing a bunch of soil, you wouldn't be left with no range.  Like I said, it's a compromise, not perfect and anyone who says it is doesn't really grasp what a real truck can do.  That being said, only a portion of truck buyers tow something large for more than 150kms at one time, and with this being an EV you'll see a greater number of people who wouldn't consider a truck before now consider it.

Long story shot, EV trucks are by no means going to make the ICE trucks obsolete, not by a long shot.  But it's nice to have it as an option.

[Guy]

I was saying the practicality should be lower because you practically need to own a home to own this vehicle.....

But if the truck owner does not own a home, where will he store his trailer, boats, motorcycles and snowmobiles that everyone here seems to think he will need to tow around cross country daily?   

[rrocket]

I was saying the practicality should be lower because you practically need to own a home to own this vehicle.....

But if the truck owner does not own a home, where will he store his trailer, boats, motorcycles and snowmobiles that everyone here seems to think he will need to tow around cross country daily?   

Well whether a truck is used for towing or not is another story....

But charging this anywhere but home would be a huge inconvenience for most...and pretty impractical.

[EV Dan]

I've seen two on the road so far and both seemed to confuse it with a NASCAR circle.     

[EV-Light]

Typical truck owner here:

1- I do truck things with the bed, never went over like 800lbs?! - most DYI

2- travel empty 90% of the time. Mostly carry luggage and people.

3- tow 2x my Side by side (total 1800lbs w trailer) between my cottage and city home.

The Lightning works for 80% of the population today, it’s the perfect truck for all of my neighbours on my suburbia street as well - they don’t tow, sometimes use their truck for DIY…empty most of the time.

Running costs are outstanding - I am now at 5200km, spent $130 in hydro since June…hard to beat 0.025/km driven.


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[Layne]

I was saying the practicality should be lower because you practically need to own a home to own this vehicle.....

But if the truck owner does not own a home, where will he store his trailer, boats, motorcycles and snowmobiles that everyone here seems to think he will need to tow around cross country daily?   

Weird flex but okay.

[dkaz]

One thing to think about is that even at 90 kWh/100km charging at a Petro Canada level 3 charger at 35 cents per minute, that's about $12.60 per 100km to tow. I spent $45 per 100km when gas was $1.75 per litre. $200 to Jasper in an ICE truck in a trip for a total travel time of 5-6 hours each way (I did 95 km/h to save gas plus rest/gas breaks) vs. $50 to Jasper in an EV truck for a total travel time of 6-7 hours with rest/charging breaks.

I'm assuming that was towing your travel trailer?  It's all well and good to say the EV truck would be cheaper to run the same trip, but the fact is that when pulling a travel trailer, the Lightning will not make it to Jasper.

Without needing to be recharged? There are charging stations along the way. I needed to gas up once each way.

[Fobroader]

One thing to think about is that even at 90 kWh/100km charging at a Petro Canada level 3 charger at 35 cents per minute, that's about $12.60 per 100km to tow. I spent $45 per 100km when gas was $1.75 per litre. $200 to Jasper in an ICE truck in a trip for a total travel time of 5-6 hours each way (I did 95 km/h to save gas plus rest/gas breaks) vs. $50 to Jasper in an EV truck for a total travel time of 6-7 hours with rest/charging breaks.

I'm assuming that was towing your travel trailer?  It's all well and good to say the EV truck would be cheaper to run the same trip, but the fact is that when pulling a travel trailer, the Lightning will not make it to Jasper.

Without needing to be recharged? There are charging stations along the way. I needed to gas up once each way.

So 5-10min for a fuel stop vs how long for charging...if you don't have to wait for someone else charging.

[dkaz]

So 5-10min for a fuel stop vs how long for charging...if you don't have to wait for someone else charging.

I stopped for an hour gassing and getting supplies in Hinton. So if I left Edmonton with a fully charged battery, I'd need to make two charging stops for a total time of an hour 40 minutes. In that time period I could get supplies, lunch, etc. I assume I'd go the same speed in an EV to save on battery like I did to save on gas -- 95 km/h. Yes I'm that person. 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

I'll still maintain that with a Lightning towing your trailer, you're not making it to Jasper.  To get from Edmonton to Jasper, you need to stop in Stony Plain to top up batteries.  Then it's 167kms to Edson, the next stop with chargers.  Not a problem when you're driving an unladen Lightning - but pulling a large travel trailer such as yours, range is reduced to 150km or less.  I don't think you're making it. 

[draghon]

Also, many charging stations are setup in single parking stalls and will not accommodate vehicles towing trailers. You'd have to find a place to park your trailer, unhook and then re-hook up with done charging.

[rrocket]

Also, many charging stations are setup in single parking stalls and will not accommodate vehicles towing trailers. You'd have to find a place to park your trailer, unhook and then re-hook up with done charging.

Oh good point!

[Fobroader]

Also, many charging stations are setup in single parking stalls and will not accommodate vehicles towing trailers. You'd have to find a place to park your trailer, unhook and then re-hook up with done charging.

That sounds convenient AF!!

[Layne]

Most people don't tow with their trucks.

Depends on where you live.  Your sample of 1 may be biased.

I don't think it should be just "towing" but more specific towing.  That is longer than say 150kms before having access to a charger.  A friend of ours has owned a pickup truck for over 20 years, has a boat and recently got a nice utility trailer.  He tows, but he doesn't tow more than 50kms at one time. 

I would say there are definitely quite a few people out there that tow, but there would be some of them that wouldn't tow more than 150kms before having access to a charger.  Obviously this truck is not the best for long distance towing of any kind.  But shorter distance, it can handle.

Again, this is 100% a compromise and does not live up to the ICE competition.  But then it does offer quite a few advantages over the ICE as well.  So in the end, it's not for everyone.

But again, if I have to immediately put the freaking thing on a charger for an hour after towing something across town, thats kinda meaningless.

Across town?  How big of a town you got.  We are talking about 150kms.  If it's say 30kms across town in stop and go traffic towing a bunch of soil, you wouldn't be left with no range.  Like I said, it's a compromise, not perfect and anyone who says it is doesn't really grasp what a real truck can do.  That being said, only a portion of truck buyers tow something large for more than 150kms at one time, and with this being an EV you'll see a greater number of people who wouldn't consider a truck before now consider it.

Long story shot, EV trucks are by no means going to make the ICE trucks obsolete, not by a long shot.  But it's nice to have it as an option.

If you add in -10C or worse, that range is going to be much less, however.

[Layne]

I'll still maintain that with a Lightning towing your trailer, you're not making it to Jasper.  To get from Edmonton to Jasper, you need to stop in Stony Plain to top up batteries.  Then it's 167kms to Edson, the next stop with chargers.  Not a problem when you're driving an unladen Lightning - but pulling a large travel trailer such as yours, range is reduced to 150km or less.  I don't think you're making it.