Topic: 2023 BMW M2 OFFICIAL

[JohnnyMac]

The Straight Pipes review was quite positive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGc8AC0Dcnw

Honestly, I don't really value those guys opinions.  I tend to avoid their reviews as I just get the impression that they are more content creators than knowledgeable car guys.  I lost all faith in Yuri when he bought his dream car...a Prowler.  LAME.

[aquadorhj]

The Straight Pipes review was quite positive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGc8AC0Dcnw

Honestly, I don't really value those guys opinions.  I tend to avoid their reviews as I just get the impression that they are more content creators than knowledgeable car guys.  I lost all faith in Yuri when he bought his dream car...a Prowler.  LAME.

i like Prowler...  i mean the shape is so.... retro and concept-car-ish/catoonish.   
as a car, probably not great with chrysler powertrain, but it's a good looking one to me at least.

as for M2, looks kinda weird to me today but may grow on me later, but overall seem to be nice car!.   hope yours come soon!

[OliverD]

The Straight Pipes review was quite positive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGc8AC0Dcnw

Honestly, I don't really value those guys opinions.  I tend to avoid their reviews as I just get the impression that they are more content creators than knowledgeable car guys.  I lost all faith in Yuri when he bought his dream car...a Prowler.  LAME.

I think you're selling them short. They seem quite knowledgeable to me. The Prowler doesn't do it for me, but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame, you just know that you think it looks cool. It's a nostalgia play, and when you're driving press cars every week, you may not feel the need to buy a newer high performance vehicle for yourself.

[rrocket]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

[JohnnyMac]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

[Layne]

If it is my cash, I am thinking the Supra manual would be a great option.  Not as quick but close and a lot less cash comparatively equipped.

Regardless, here is a POV drive of the M2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi3j9QjS4zs

[Hannibalsmith]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

I’m no prowler fan, but what’s with all the shade?

[JG20]

If it is my cash, I am thinking the Supra manual would be a great option.  Not as quick but close and a lot less cash comparatively equipped.

Regardless, here is a POV drive of the M2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi3j9QjS4zs

Same. Or a used previous gen M2...

[rrocket]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

I’m no prowler fan, but what’s with all the shade?

All hat no cattle. In the worst possible way.

Would have been a zillion times better with even the V8 from a pickup.

I'd be embarrassed driving that car.

But hey..whatever floats his boat. His car, not mine.

[Hannibalsmith]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

I’m no prowler fan, but what’s with all the shade?

All hat no cattle. In the worst possible way.

Would have been a zillion times better with even the V8 from a pickup.

I'd be embarrassed driving that car.

But hey..whatever floats his boat. His car, not mine.

That’s kind of what I’m getting at…we all have our vices

[JohnnyMac]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

I’m no prowler fan, but what’s with all the shade?

All hat no cattle. In the worst possible way.

Would have been a zillion times better with even the V8 from a pickup.

I'd be embarrassed driving that car.

But hey..whatever floats his boat. His car, not mine.

100% this, especially if at the time they had ties to Mercedes and those engine options.

[JohnnyMac]

If it is my cash, I am thinking the Supra manual would be a great option.  Not as quick but close and a lot less cash comparatively equipped.

Regardless, here is a POV drive of the M2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi3j9QjS4zs

The thing is, the Supra isn't really much slower, at least in the 0-60 numbers, I think maybe 0.1-0.2 seconds different.  The M2 has a lot of power, but it also weighs 500 pounds more.  On the track, I would hope that it's faster, with it being newer and it appears it has superior grip.  Don't get me wrong, the M2 is a fantastic car and I'm glad it exists.  I'm just not sold on the price, looks, and appears the character has been somewhat taken out of it compared to the previous generation. 

[OliverD]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

I’m no prowler fan, but what’s with all the shade?

All hat no cattle. In the worst possible way.

Would have been a zillion times better with even the V8 from a pickup.

I'd be embarrassed driving that car.

But hey..whatever floats his boat. His car, not mine.

100% this, especially if at the time they had ties to Mercedes and those engine options.

The Prowler predates the merger with Mercedes.

[JohnnyMac]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

I’m no prowler fan, but what’s with all the shade?

All hat no cattle. In the worst possible way.

Would have been a zillion times better with even the V8 from a pickup.

I'd be embarrassed driving that car.

But hey..whatever floats his boat. His car, not mine.

100% this, especially if at the time they had ties to Mercedes and those engine options.

The Prowler predates the merger with Mercedes.

Yeah I wasn't sure.  I feel like it was a V8 plus a manual away from being a true car enthusiast car.  To me it's not really any different from the last generation of Ford Thunderbird (that retro version in the early 00's), which at least had a V8 (mind you not an overly powerful one).

[OliverD]

A manual would have obviously helped a lot but the 1999 Prowler did get a significant upgrade in power and they could do 0-60 in under six seconds which wasn't bad for the time.

[Layne]

If it is my cash, I am thinking the Supra manual would be a great option.  Not as quick but close and a lot less cash comparatively equipped.

Regardless, here is a POV drive of the M2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi3j9QjS4zs

The thing is, the Supra isn't really much slower, at least in the 0-60 numbers, I think maybe 0.1-0.2 seconds different.  The M2 has a lot of power, but it also weighs 500 pounds more.  On the track, I would hope that it's faster, with it being newer and it appears it has superior grip.  Don't get me wrong, the M2 is a fantastic car and I'm glad it exists.  I'm just not sold on the price, looks, and appears the character has been somewhat taken out of it compared to the previous generation.

Indeed.  The one place you would see a difference is roll on performance at higher speeds as the twin turbos get to work but realistically, you aren’t likely achieving these speeds on public roads.

[JohnnyMac]

I think this was a really good summary from Top Gear.

"Overall this is an improved vehicle. Quieter, roomier, more generously equipped and less wearying as a GT than the old M2. That’s a crowd-pleasing move from BMW, but the die-hards in the mosh pit don’t want an M4-lite. They want an M2. Now it’s bigger and more grown up just about everywhere, what the M2 lacks is a personality all its own, which the uncomplicated, uncompromising old M2 had in spadefuls.

If we were a current M2 owner, we'd be feeling pretty smug that our car looks prettier than the new M2, has a more intuitive (if less plush) dashboard, sounds fruiter, and goes with more poise, more purpose, more sense of being a barely contained ball of fury straining to escape from a working-class hero chassis. Perhaps that was where the era ended after all.

That said, if you’re looking purely at new car options, the M2 really is in a class of one. No other small sporting coupe is as practical, and in many ways the M2 now asks very serious questions of the M4 itself. There, we just saved you £18,000."

[DriverJeff]

but think of how old he would have been when the Prowler came out – when you're 11 years old you don't know that it's lame,

So he had all this time to figure out it was lame...and he bought one anyways. LOL [emoji38]

Exactly.  I would have given him credit IF he bought it and modified it so it was actually a GOOD car (that would mean dropping a proper power unit in it and likely modifying the suspension and brakes).  This isn't the same as The Hire and buying that old Camry.  This is a car journalist/said car enthusiast that loved a car when they were young, drives a bunch of modern vehicles, and chooses the car that he loved as a kid but now knows is a piece of crap. 

When I was a kid, I loved the 70's Corvette Stingray.  I mean I loved them, every time I saw one I would almost break my neck looking at them.  But then I grew up and realized just how crap that vehicle was.  Now I would never own one without changing the powertrain, modifying the brakes and suspension, basically turning it into a restomod.

I’m no prowler fan, but what’s with all the shade?

All hat no cattle. In the worst possible way.

Would have been a zillion times better with even the V8 from a pickup.

I'd be embarrassed driving that car.

But hey..whatever floats his boat. His car, not mine.

 

[DriverJeff]

Throttle House review....not the most flattering.  Hmmmm, this isn't exactly selling me on spending the extra money on this over a manual Supra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uT4s_NWBN0

I liked this review and with Thomas owning a previous gen M2, there's a lot of insight here I think.

While every enthusiast out there (who hasn't actually driven the cars) will crucify me for saying it, I'm not surprised by their claims that the automatic was simply better.  I found the same with the M3/M4comp when I drove them back to back too. The stick shift is *nice* but it's not really a great one.  It's not rifle-bolt precise, the throws are long-ish and the clutch is so light and lifeless. The 8 speed auto just keeps that engine in all of its sweetness and can really be driven hard. 

I think I'd be happy with an M240i as a daily driver, and something like an old M Roadster for the visceral experiences.  That M240i with its awd is already blazing quick and offers so much of what makes the M2 a neat choice. Plus it looks better, too.

[valuator]

Throttle House review....not the most flattering.  Hmmmm, this isn't exactly selling me on spending the extra money on this over a manual Supra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uT4s_NWBN0

I liked this review and with Thomas owning a previous gen M2, there's a lot of insight here I think.

While every enthusiast out there (who hasn't actually driven the cars) will crucify me for saying it, I'm not surprised by their claims that the automatic was simply better.  I found the same with the M3/M4comp when I drove them back to back too. The stick shift is *nice* but it's not really a great one.  It's not rifle-bolt precise, the throws are long-ish and the clutch is so light and lifeless. The 8 speed auto just keeps that engine in all of its sweetness and can really be driven hard. 

I think I'd be happy with an M240i as a daily driver, and something like an old M Roadster for the visceral experiences.  That M240i with its awd is already blazing quick and offers so much of what makes the M2 a neat choice. Plus it looks better, too.

I'm with you on that one, my colleague has a previous gen M240i as his summer daily, and it's all the performance car that I would want on our awful roads.