Topic: 2023 BMW M2 OFFICIAL

[Layne]

$3200 for freight/PDI   

Yeah the fees on luxury brands are getting out of hand.

I'd do Toronto Red + premium package + sunroof. Maybe the aluminum trim and M seatbelts.

I suggest placing your deposit immediately.

I'm okay with a wait - wouldn't be ready to buy before 2024 anyways.

That's sooner than me.  I won't be buying until spring of 2025.

I envy your ability to plan your future car purchases.  I tend to be way more impulsive, usually at a cost....

We have had a couple of BMW's in our stable over the years and enjoyed them.  But I want a Cayman S.

[JohnnyMac]

$3200 for freight/PDI   

That is up a bit but it still comes from Germany.  I know there is upwards of $2K+ on some Honda's made in Canada so I guess in comparison that isn't bad?

This new M2 is made in Mexico, the first "M" car not made in Germany.  Not saying it matters, but people's perception is they can justify the extra cost if the vehicle is made in Germany, Japan, etc.

[Layne]

$3200 for freight/PDI   

That is up a bit but it still comes from Germany.  I know there is upwards of $2K+ on some Honda's made in Canada so I guess in comparison that isn't bad?

This new M2 is made in Mexico, the first "M" car not made in Germany.  Not saying it matters, but people's perception is they can justify the extra cost if the vehicle is made in Germany, Japan, etc.

I know that the M440 and M340 are split in manufacturing between Mexico and Germany with the US getting most of the cars built in Mexico.  But I did not know that on a global basis, the M2 will be exclusive to Mexico.  Well definitely more shipping cost than from Ontario and given the increases in fuel, as I assume it would be railed, I can see a higher comparative cost but have no idea if $3K is reasonable.

[Hammy]

As far as looks go I don't think it is as nice as the previous generation. The lines seem too straight or something, just looks a bit off to me for BMW.

[Fobroader]

The looks, like most new age BMW, are questionable but at least it shouldn't be put down like the electric SUV thing they just debuted. Manual, good, 400 plus hp, good, good on them for remembering that they are a performance car company, not something you lease to look cool to your 150 instagram followers.

[valuator]

I like it, and I think it looks almost as good as the 1M.  I am a sucker for wide hips.

[Layne]

I like it, and I think it looks almost as good as the 1M.  I am a sucker for wide hips.

I'll introduce you to my sister in law.

[Layne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvycmhS3JJs

Happy sliding.

[JohnnyMac]

On the BMW.ca website building out an M2, noticed BMW states the 0-60 time (or maybe it's 0-100kms) at 4.1 seconds.  That's probably for the automatic version.  Then I started to think what they state for the M240, and that is stated at 4.3 seconds.  Hmmmm, Car and Driver states the M240 as 3.6 seconds to 60, so does that mean the automatic M2 will be slightly faster?  Could the manual M2 test under 4 seconds 0-60.  Guess we will have to wait and see when the reviews come out, hopefully in the not too distant future.

[OliverD]

AWD probably helps on the M240i. I wonder how the 0-100 mph times would compare.

[JohnnyMac]

AWD probably helps on the M240i. I wonder how the 0-100 mph times would compare.

It'll be interesting to see how they test out.  The M240i is a 0-60mph star, but as you said, it's AWD and automatic only.  I'm only speculating based on what BMW states on their website.

Edit: Just watching a more recent review from a guy in Australia, he states that the 4.1 seconds BMW listed is 0-100kms and for the automatic.  Then he says the manual is only 4.3 seconds 0-100kms, so the same as the M240i time that BMW states.  So could the manual M2 test out similar to the M240i, meaning a sub 3 second time?  Time will tell.

[quadzilla]

People still care about 0-100 kph times?

[JohnnyMac]

People still care about 0-100 kph times?

I mean, I'd like to experience some tingly acceleration, so yes.  But I'm also not going to chase the lowest number or I'll end up in a Tesla.

[evil_twin]

People still care about 0-100 kph times?

I mean, I'd like to experience some tingly acceleration, so yes.  But I'm also not going to chase the lowest number or I'll end up in a Tesla.

Fair, but you might care more about a rolling start (5-100km/h) or even quarter mile numbers to get better indicators of acceleration you're likely to experience in real world driving.   e.g.  blasting up an on-ramp, stabbing the throttle on an empty country road.

0-100 is more of a light your tires up at a red light metric.   Probably not doing that?

[JohnnyMac]

People still care about 0-100 kph times?

I mean, I'd like to experience some tingly acceleration, so yes.  But I'm also not going to chase the lowest number or I'll end up in a Tesla.

Fair, but you might care more about a rolling start (5-100km/h) or even quarter mile numbers to get better indicators of acceleration you're likely to experience in real world driving.   e.g.  blasting up an on-ramp, stabbing the throttle on an empty country road.

0-100 is more of a light your tires up at a red light metric.   Probably not doing that?

Most definitely, I was only using it as a metric of comparison.  Will I be doing a lot of 0-60 runs, likely not, but it will happen from time to time just for fun, on an empty road, with launch control engaged.

[JohnnyMac]

I've now started to engage with the local (2 hours away) dealer just to see if I were interested in ordering an M2, when should I start the process and put a deposit down.  I also have a lot of questions about dealer markups, forced options, and other dealer add ons.  I may have to put a deposit down sooner rather than later even though I have no plans or ability to buy until April 2025.  It's the world we live in though.  I've already accepted that the majority of vehicles I have on my list won't be available for test drives so I'll be relying heavily from reviews and other people's experience with them. 

[valuator]

I've now started to engage with the local (2 hours away) dealer just to see if I were interested in ordering an M2, when should I start the process and put a deposit down.  I also have a lot of questions about dealer markups, forced options, and other dealer add ons.  I may have to put a deposit down sooner rather than later even though I have no plans or ability to buy until April 2025.  It's the world we live in though.  I've already accepted that the majority of vehicles I have on my list won't be available for test drives so I'll be relying heavily from reviews and other people's experience with them.

I wish you good luck.  Best salesman in the business retired there last year. 

[OliverD]

I've now started to engage with the local (2 hours away) dealer just to see if I were interested in ordering an M2, when should I start the process and put a deposit down.  I also have a lot of questions about dealer markups, forced options, and other dealer add ons.  I may have to put a deposit down sooner rather than later even though I have no plans or ability to buy until April 2025.  It's the world we live in though.  I've already accepted that the majority of vehicles I have on my list won't be available for test drives so I'll be relying heavily from reviews and other people's experience with them.

Surely you could test drive some used stuff if you visit Montreal or Toronto at some point.

[JohnnyMac]

I've now started to engage with the local (2 hours away) dealer just to see if I were interested in ordering an M2, when should I start the process and put a deposit down.  I also have a lot of questions about dealer markups, forced options, and other dealer add ons.  I may have to put a deposit down sooner rather than later even though I have no plans or ability to buy until April 2025.  It's the world we live in though.  I've already accepted that the majority of vehicles I have on my list won't be available for test drives so I'll be relying heavily from reviews and other people's experience with them.

I wish you good luck.  Best salesman in the business retired there last year.

I'm aware, he was a very good sales person.  Almost bought a 2 series back in 2015, it was my second choice after the Golf R.

[JohnnyMac]

I've now started to engage with the local (2 hours away) dealer just to see if I were interested in ordering an M2, when should I start the process and put a deposit down.  I also have a lot of questions about dealer markups, forced options, and other dealer add ons.  I may have to put a deposit down sooner rather than later even though I have no plans or ability to buy until April 2025.  It's the world we live in though.  I've already accepted that the majority of vehicles I have on my list won't be available for test drives so I'll be relying heavily from reviews and other people's experience with them.

Surely you could test drive some used stuff if you visit Montreal or Toronto at some point.

I don't think there is much chance that even in a years time, there will be a current generation M2 available for test drive anywhere in the country.  The best I can do is test drive a current M240.  Which is okay because I ordered my old Golf R without test driving one and basing my decision off the current gen GTI of that time.