Topic: 2022 BMW 2 Series Coupe

[Arthur Dent]

I am not a fan of the looks. No manual?

So far no confirmation of a manual being offered, but it is hinted.  If there is every going to be a normal (non-M) BMW with a manual transmission offered this 2 series coupe would be it I'd think.  The looks won't be for everyone, and I'll agree that the old 2 series coupe is better looking, but compared to the current 3/4 series this new 2 series is a stunner.

Definitely no manual in Canada since we're only getting the xDrive models. Outside of M models the manual BMW is dead in North America.

Love that new purple that it's offered in. The boxed fender flares look great too, and I think the front is great. Not a huge fan of the taillights although they do remind me of the Z4 M coupe a bit.

When I saw that photo my initial thought was a low poly racing game from the late 90s / early 2000s. Probably not what BMW was going for. 

[JohnnyMac]

I see the embargo on the reviews just ended on the new 2 series.  Loads of youtube videos out right now reviewing it.  Looks pretty epic and sounds very good also.  Love that purple color.  BMW is stating 0-60 number of 4.1 seconds but everyone is getting under 4 so far in their testing using launch control, so in typical German estimates it's under estimated.  Just too bad there isn't a manual, but hopefully the M2 will get that and lord know just how fast that will be if they are getting numbers around the 3.8 seconds to 60, could we see a sub 3.5 second M2?

Probably - but only as an Xdrive.

There is speculation that the M2 might be AWD, or offer it like the M3, but that would mean no manual.  I think it would be possible to have 0-60 time close to 3.5 with RWD, but it would likely have to be automatic.

[valuator]

Saw the new 2 Series on the lot in Moncton today.  Loved the white 240 with M package, very muscular, my dad thought it was a current M2.  Also two nice M2, one in that amazing purple color that reminds me of the old Techno Violet.  The 4 series coupes seemed way too big in comparison.

[OliverD]

Saw the new 2 Series on the lot in Moncton today.  Loved the white 240 with M package, very muscular, my dad thought it was a current M2.  Also two nice M2, one in that amazing purple color that reminds me of the old Techno Violet.  The 4 series coupes seemed way too big in comparison.

That purple M2 is a wrap that was just traded in, I follow the previous owner on Instagram.

[JohnnyMac]

Here's the latest review from Car and Driver.  https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38679729/2022-bmw-m240i-xdrive-by-the-numbers/

Now I know their 0-60 times are pretty much best case scenario but this new M240 is crazy fast.  So 3.6 seconds from 0-60 and it's faster than all the previous M2's other than the crazy limited run one that had something like 444 hp.  With a starting price below $60K CAD, that's a fantastic performance coupe.  As stated in the article, makes you wonder what the next generation M2 will be like.  You would think it'd have to outperform this M240, so minimum of 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, maybe even less.  Could be priced right around $75K CAD and offer a manual. 

[Triple Bob]

Here's the latest review from Car and Driver.  https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38679729/2022-bmw-m240i-xdrive-by-the-numbers/

Now I know their 0-60 times are pretty much best case scenario but this new M240 is crazy fast.  So 3.6 seconds from 0-60 and it's faster than all the previous M2's other than the crazy limited run one that had something like 444 hp.  With a starting price below $60K CAD, that's a fantastic performance coupe.  As stated in the article, makes you wonder what the next generation M2 will be like.  You would think it'd have to outperform this M240, so minimum of 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, maybe even less.  Could be priced right around $75K CAD and offer a manual.

I'm guessing next gen BMW's will be mostly electric. Get this one whilst you can.

[JohnnyMac]

Here's the latest review from Car and Driver.  https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38679729/2022-bmw-m240i-xdrive-by-the-numbers/

Now I know their 0-60 times are pretty much best case scenario but this new M240 is crazy fast.  So 3.6 seconds from 0-60 and it's faster than all the previous M2's other than the crazy limited run one that had something like 444 hp.  With a starting price below $60K CAD, that's a fantastic performance coupe.  As stated in the article, makes you wonder what the next generation M2 will be like.  You would think it'd have to outperform this M240, so minimum of 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, maybe even less.  Could be priced right around $75K CAD and offer a manual.

I'm guessing next gen BMW's will be mostly electric. Get this one whilst you can.

Yes, but everyone will be electric in a decade or two.  Heck Hyundai cut their combustion engine group completely, Audi has stated they aren't going to develop any new engines, heck even Lotus will be all electric.  If I was to make a guess on what manufacturer will offer the last combustion engine in the market I'm going to go out on a limb and say Porsche 911, likely their GT3 of some sort.

[Triple Bob]

Here's the latest review from Car and Driver.  https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38679729/2022-bmw-m240i-xdrive-by-the-numbers/

Now I know their 0-60 times are pretty much best case scenario but this new M240 is crazy fast.  So 3.6 seconds from 0-60 and it's faster than all the previous M2's other than the crazy limited run one that had something like 444 hp.  With a starting price below $60K CAD, that's a fantastic performance coupe.  As stated in the article, makes you wonder what the next generation M2 will be like.  You would think it'd have to outperform this M240, so minimum of 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, maybe even less.  Could be priced right around $75K CAD and offer a manual.

I'm guessing next gen BMW's will be mostly electric. Get this one whilst you can.

Yes, but everyone will be electric in a decade or two.  Heck Hyundai cut their combustion engine group completely, Audi has stated they aren't going to develop any new engines, heck even Lotus will be all electric.  If I was to make a guess on what manufacturer will offer the last combustion engine in the market I'm going to go out on a limb and say Porsche 911, likely their GT3 of some sort.

What's that got to do with the next gen 2-Series?

Also it won't be a decade or two, it will probably be more like 8 years from now. I'd 100% get the current one if I was in the market for a fast coupe.

[jaman]

Almost 3900 lbs for a two series? 

Maybe it already has some hidden EV hardware.

[JohnnyMac]

Almost 3900 lbs for a two series? 

Maybe it already has some hidden EV hardware.

Well this isn't exactly a BRZ or Miata.  It's a luxury car first, with all the safety features and refinement.  If you want luxury, performance, and lighter weight the closest thing under $100k would be a C8 Corvette, but even that is 3,366 lbs.

[tortoise]

Kinda crazy it weighs the same as my '07 Highlander. 

[JohnnyMac]

Here's the latest review from Car and Driver.  https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38679729/2022-bmw-m240i-xdrive-by-the-numbers/

Now I know their 0-60 times are pretty much best case scenario but this new M240 is crazy fast.  So 3.6 seconds from 0-60 and it's faster than all the previous M2's other than the crazy limited run one that had something like 444 hp.  With a starting price below $60K CAD, that's a fantastic performance coupe.  As stated in the article, makes you wonder what the next generation M2 will be like.  You would think it'd have to outperform this M240, so minimum of 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, maybe even less.  Could be priced right around $75K CAD and offer a manual.

I'm guessing next gen BMW's will be mostly electric. Get this one whilst you can.

Yes, but everyone will be electric in a decade or two.  Heck Hyundai cut their combustion engine group completely, Audi has stated they aren't going to develop any new engines, heck even Lotus will be all electric.  If I was to make a guess on what manufacturer will offer the last combustion engine in the market I'm going to go out on a limb and say Porsche 911, likely their GT3 of some sort.

What's that got to do with the next gen 2-Series?

Also it won't be a decade or two, it will probably be more like 8 years from now. I'd 100% get the current one if I was in the market for a fast coupe.

Um you were the one who brought up the whole EV thing, almost stating that BMW going electric is some kind of unexpected thing.  What I was trying to illustrate is all performance vehicles will be EVs and saying get the BMW while you can should be generalized to "get the performance ICE vehicles while you can".

[rrocket]

Kinda crazy it weighs the same as my '07 Highlander.

Your Highlander is about the size of a modern Rav 4.  Does it even have an airbag?

Weighs more than my IS-F did and it had a big V8 and 9 airbags!   

[Arthur Dent]

Kinda crazy it weighs the same as my '07 Highlander.

Your Highlander is about the size of a modern Rav 4.  Does it even have an airbag?

air bags were in place as of the late 80s, early 90s 

[rrocket]

Kinda crazy it weighs the same as my '07 Highlander.

Your Highlander is about the size of a modern Rav 4.  Does it even have an airbag?

air bags were in place as of the late 80s, early 90s 

Yea, my 94 Supra had them.

Although I think he knows that and was just ball breaking.   

[rrocket]

  It isn't ugly, just off. 

I've thought the 2 Series looked off since the very first iteration.

[tortoise]

Your Highlander is about the size of a modern Rav 4.  Does it even have an airbag?

Huh, it actually has  front airbags, side-impact airbags for the front seats, side curtain airbags for the first two rows of seats. I had no idea.

They are pretty close in size, though the Rav is 400 lbs lighter.  .

Which is 400 lbs lighter than a 2 door sports coupe.  I totally get that it's a luxury vehicle and that refinement often comes as the expense of weight. But still, it's surprising given how much engineering goes towards reducing weight.

Not that it matters, I'm sure it drives great and most people would never notice the extra weight.

[DriverJeff]

Almost 3900 lbs for a two series? 

Maybe it already has some hidden EV hardware.

On paper it is very heavy, on the road it shrinks in size and weight.  It's wickedly quick and surprisingly nimble.  Much like the current generation Supras that all the armchair critics pee all over, it's one of those cars that truly needs to be driven (and driven hard) to be appreciated.  I'm sad that a RWD stickshift version isn't still available, but the new M240i is still a sensational car.

[JohnnyMac]

Heard there is a rumor that the next generation will offer an AWD version similar to the M3/M4.  Unlikely it would get a manual with that set up but would be a great year rounder.  The new M2 is supposed to debut in October and I suspect it'll get close to 450hp and offer a manual with RWD.  I'm very much so interested in this vehicle and I'm hoping it'll be priced around the $75K range for our market.