Topic: 2022 F-150 Lightning

[OliverD]

A friend of mine has had a bunch of F-150s including a couple with the 2.7TT and he is interested in a Lightning but we both think a PHEV 2.7TT would be ideal.

[ktm525]

A friend of mine has had a bunch of F-150s including a couple with the 2.7TT and he is interested in a Lightning but we both think a PHEV 2.7TT would be ideal.

Does he run them in a business?

[OliverD]

A friend of mine has had a bunch of F-150s including a couple with the 2.7TT and he is interested in a Lightning but we both think a PHEV 2.7TT would be ideal.

Does he run them in a business?

No, personal use.

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A truck at Lightning price point, people want to haul their Bass Boat 6 hours across the state at 80mph with a UTV in the bed

Childs play.   

I've driven dozens of big power diesel trucks and RV'd with massive 40 foot rigs, they all labor on hills, the Lightning was incredible when we towed a 6000 lb (+1000 loaded) trailer last summer.

Towing is effortless.   Will post a picture of the 7500 lb (unloaded) trailer we're towing around the east coast for 4 weeks this summer.
The Lightning is stupidly overpowered, flooring it on the highway nets 10 km/h per second acceleration and plants everyone into their seats.

Bash the Lightning all you want, reviewers have all stated it tows better than any gas F150 has ever towed.   Range, shmang.   I'm retired and time is on my side to enjoy the view.

[bye]

A friend of mine has had a bunch of F-150s including a couple with the 2.7TT and he is interested in a Lightning but we both think a PHEV 2.7TT would be ideal.

I paid $79K + tax for the Lariat Lightning.  This trim level is very well equipped.    Gas Lariat F150's are in the same ballpark, hybrid is even more $.   If you're good with 400 km daily range (you start every day with that much), it's a fantastic truck for the money.

Plus the Lightning has features that cost major $ on the gas side like pro power onboard and lockable frunk storage (no need for an after market lockable bed box).
If the truck is a pure work truck with local contracting, the XLT standard range is much more affordable, like $25K less than I paid.

[ktm525]

A friend of mine has had a bunch of F-150s including a couple with the 2.7TT and he is interested in a Lightning but we both think a PHEV 2.7TT would be ideal.

I paid $79K + tax for the Lariat Lightning.  This trim level is very well equipped.    Gas Lariat F150's are in the same ballpark, hybrid is even more $.   If you're good with 400 km daily range (you start every day with that much), it's a fantastic truck for the money.

Plus the Lightning has features that cost major $ on the gas side like pro power onboard and lockable frunk storage (no need for an after market lockable bed box).
If the truck is a pure work truck with local contracting, the XLT standard range is much more affordable, like $25K less than I paid.

It doesn't even work as a Ridgeline. This weekend I am driving 700kms through the mountains and then camping off grid for 5 days and then returning. I can't imagine how a etruck would handle that. Solar panel on the hood in the woods?

[Firm]

Range may not mean much to you, though we should revisit that after your trip. I can't imagine sitting around, while on a road trip, with my little kids waiting for the dang truck to charge up in a parking lot somewhere. We did 17 hours straight, with two 30 minute gas/food/bio stops when we moved, with the kids in the Escalade...That's what, a 3 day journey in a Lightning? Next month we head to Pensacola for a vacation, it's about 7 hours, we'll leave after work on Friday and drive straight there so we can get the kids down at the hotel at a reasonable hour.

400km range, unloaded. That's for tooling around the city. 

[revalations]

Range may not mean much to you, though we should revisit that after your trip. I can't imagine sitting around, while on a road trip, with my little kids waiting for the dang truck to charge up in a parking lot somewhere. We did 17 hours straight, with two 30 minute gas/food/bio stops when we moved, with the kids in the Escalade...That's what, a 3 day journey in a Lightning? Next month we head to Pensacola for a vacation, it's about 7 hours, we'll leave after work on Friday and drive straight there so we can get the kids down at the hotel at a reasonable hour.

400km range, unloaded. That's for tooling around the city. 

Something about being retired and enjoying the view? The view from a charging station? I dont get it because supposedly the lightning is so much faster towing than a ICE F150 so the view will just be a blur as you whistle past all the scenery. Oh well, there’s a few out there that don’t mind towing that 7500# trailer 100 miles at a time and paying a premium to do so. I loved being able to  hook my 32 ft holiday trailer up to my diesel, tow it the 630 km home without stopping for fuel, and never dropping below the speed limit even up the Rogers Pass . I can somewhat understand a Lightning for putting around town and hauling patio sets, but towing? That’s a hard no.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Did he seriously just favourably compare pulling a 6000lb trailer with the Lightning to pulling a 19 000lb GVWR 40' toy hauler with a diesel truck, with the diesel truck laboring up hills under the load?

What?  Just stop and think about that for a moment.

Also, perhaps try reading past the first paragraph on this:  https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-ford-f150-lightning-lariat-long-term-update-13-how-does-it-tow/

[Firm]

Did he seriously just favourably compare pulling a 6000lb trailer with the Lightning to pulling a 19 000lb GVWR 40' toy hauler with a diesel truck, with the diesel truck laboring up hills under the load?

What?  Just stop and think about that for a moment.

Also, perhaps try reading past the first paragraph on this:  https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-ford-f150-lightning-lariat-long-term-update-13-how-does-it-tow/

Good article that sums up the problem nicely.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Also, if I read it correctly, it cost them MORE to tow the same route/trailer with the Lightning, than it did to tow with the Raptor...


Also, don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on the Lightning for the wrong reasons.  I do think it has its purposes.  I just drove by an electrician contractor in a Lightning this morning.  Had a bed cap on, all his tools in the back.  He probably has enough range to do all his in-city site visits for a few days between charges, and it probably costs him a lot less to charge than to burn gas.  A contractor truck like that also likely very rarely leaves the city to go on vacation, because it's his 'work truck', not his DD truck. 

[Firm]

Also, if I read it correctly, it cost them MORE to tow the same route/trailer with the Lightning, than it did to tow with the Raptor...


Also, don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on the Lightning for the wrong reasons.  I do think it has its purposes.  I just drove by an electrician contractor in a Lightning this morning.  Had a bed cap on, all his tools in the back.  He probably has enough range to do all his in-city site visits for a few days between charges, and it probably costs him a lot less to charge than to burn electricity.  A contractor truck like that also likely very rarely leaves the city to go on vacation, because it's his 'work truck', not his DD truck.

^Yep, I agree. That's a good example of the type of usage where the Lightning would make a lot more sense.

[OliverD]

Range may not mean much to you, though we should revisit that after your trip. I can't imagine sitting around, while on a road trip, with my little kids waiting for the dang truck to charge up in a parking lot somewhere. We did 17 hours straight, with two 30 minute gas/food/bio stops when we moved, with the kids in the Escalade...That's what, a 3 day journey in a Lightning? Next month we head to Pensacola for a vacation, it's about 7 hours, we'll leave after work on Friday and drive straight there so we can get the kids down at the hotel at a reasonable hour.

400km range, unloaded. That's for tooling around the city. 

Conversely, I can't imagine driving 17 hours straight. No thanks.

[Firm]

Range may not mean much to you, though we should revisit that after your trip. I can't imagine sitting around, while on a road trip, with my little kids waiting for the dang truck to charge up in a parking lot somewhere. We did 17 hours straight, with two 30 minute gas/food/bio stops when we moved, with the kids in the Escalade...That's what, a 3 day journey in a Lightning? Next month we head to Pensacola for a vacation, it's about 7 hours, we'll leave after work on Friday and drive straight there so we can get the kids down at the hotel at a reasonable hour.

400km range, unloaded. That's for tooling around the city. 

Conversely, I can't imagine driving 17 hours straight. No thanks.

Was kind of an extreme circumstance, not everyday that you move a family across the country. Wasn't all that bad though, I'd do it again.

[OliverD]

Range may not mean much to you, though we should revisit that after your trip. I can't imagine sitting around, while on a road trip, with my little kids waiting for the dang truck to charge up in a parking lot somewhere. We did 17 hours straight, with two 30 minute gas/food/bio stops when we moved, with the kids in the Escalade...That's what, a 3 day journey in a Lightning? Next month we head to Pensacola for a vacation, it's about 7 hours, we'll leave after work on Friday and drive straight there so we can get the kids down at the hotel at a reasonable hour.

400km range, unloaded. That's for tooling around the city. 

Conversely, I can't imagine driving 17 hours straight. No thanks.

Was kind of an extreme circumstance, not everyday that you move a family across the country. Wasn't all that bad though, I'd do it again.

Growing up we did multiple cross country moves and I don't think we ever did more than 8 hours of driving in a day.

[marcus_go]

Lightning works perfectly as a in-town/short range vehicle. Ideal for a contractor or tradesperson who comes back to an office or home and can plug in at the end of the day. But for long distance towing range? Hell no. Sorry, not gonna work.  I would not put up with that.

Ford should really offer a PHEV though. I think it would sell in big numbers.

[PJungnitsch]

Ford should really offer a PHEV though. I think it would sell in big numbers.

It was an odd decision, a pickup should be the absolute easiest vehicle to convert to PHEV. Lots of room around the frame rails to add batteries, and some weight in the back is what every truck needs

Think it was more ideological than anything, not like they'd be short of batteries if they spread those ones for the Lightning around

With a PHEV F150/250 and a PHEV AWD Maverick Ford would be top of the world right now

[Fobroader]

Range may not mean much to you, though we should revisit that after your trip. I can't imagine sitting around, while on a road trip, with my little kids waiting for the dang truck to charge up in a parking lot somewhere. We did 17 hours straight, with two 30 minute gas/food/bio stops when we moved, with the kids in the Escalade...That's what, a 3 day journey in a Lightning? Next month we head to Pensacola for a vacation, it's about 7 hours, we'll leave after work on Friday and drive straight there so we can get the kids down at the hotel at a reasonable hour.

400km range, unloaded. That's for tooling around the city. 

Also think about this, most charging stations are meant for crappy little cars to nose in/back in, not your truck and trailer, so getting into a charger without blocking access roads and 4 other chargers without dropping your trailer off first is a no go.

[revalations]

Range may not mean much to you, though we should revisit that after your trip. I can't imagine sitting around, while on a road trip, with my little kids waiting for the dang truck to charge up in a parking lot somewhere. We did 17 hours straight, with two 30 minute gas/food/bio stops when we moved, with the kids in the Escalade...That's what, a 3 day journey in a Lightning? Next month we head to Pensacola for a vacation, it's about 7 hours, we'll leave after work on Friday and drive straight there so we can get the kids down at the hotel at a reasonable hour.

400km range, unloaded. That's for tooling around the city. 

Also think about this, most charging stations are meant for crappy little cars to nose in/back in, not your truck and trailer, so getting into a charger without blocking access roads and 4 other chargers without dropping your trailer off first is a no go.

Dang....never thought of that. How convenient.

[Woodrow]

Lightning works perfectly as a in-town/short range vehicle. Ideal for a contractor or tradesperson who comes back to an office or home and can plug in at the end of the day. But for long distance towing range? Hell no. Sorry, not gonna work.  I would not put up with that.

Ford should really offer a PHEV though. I think it would sell in big numbers.

I would argue that if you're a tradesperson it makes a lot more sense to buy a less expensive van or truck than it does a $100,000 lightening to be running around for business.

I'd make that argument for the expensive ICE trucks as well

Whoever said it on this thread before it right. The lightening is a truck for the type of people who want a truck but generally don't use it for a truck except the odd dump run, etc. And that's fine in that context is someone wants to spend the money for the lifestyle.

YMMV