Topic: 2022 F-150 Lightning

[OliverD]

The Nissan guy flat out said when Nissan goes all EV they’ll probably shut down altogether as his EV demand is nil.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. 

Why, if the dealer sells no EVs, how would they continue to be in business if thats all Nissan offers?!

Take a minute to think about that.

Dealers don't sell many EVs right now for various reasons. Price, range, cold weather performance, whatever. But these things will continue to improve and the market for EVs will grow.

Nissan (or any manufacturer) is not voluntarily going to stop selling ICE vehicles if the buyers of those cars are just going to abandon the brand.

And if they are forced to stop selling ICE vehicles due to government regulations, all other manufacturers are going to be in the same boat anyways, so unless Nissan is not competitive, why would they lose buyers to other brands?

It's a dumb statement that was hopefully only made for dramatic effect.

[Fobroader]

Turdashian is saying 2030, so in less than 7 years, golf carts...errr...EVs will have resolved all their issues or are we going to be force to purchase some half baked crap that can't deliver anything it promises?? Were going to be able to charge them in less than 10 minutes, they will not all of a sudden lose 85% of their range when its a bit chilly outside?? And yes, Nissan will not be competitive when that happens as its not competitive now.

[OliverD]

Turdashian is saying 2030, so in less than 7 years, golf carts...errr...EVs will have resolved all their issues or are we going to be force to purchase some half baked crap that can't deliver anything it promises?? Were going to be able to charge them in less than 10 minutes, they will not all of a sudden lose 85% of their range when its a bit chilly outside?? And yes, Nissan will not be competitive when that happens as its not competitive now.

60% EVs by 2030 so that still leaves a lot of ICE vehicles.

[revalations]

The Nissan guy flat out said when Nissan goes all EV they’ll probably shut down altogether as his EV demand is nil.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. 

He’s a very small dealer. If he sold 100 new Nissan’s a year I wouldn’t be surprised. There’s also a huge investment he needs to make in his store got EV sales and service. It would not doubt he’d seriously consider dropping his franchise and becoming a used lot.


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[Layne]

Turdashian is saying 2030, so in less than 7 years, golf carts...errr...EVs will have resolved all their issues or are we going to be force to purchase some half baked crap that can't deliver anything it promises?? Were going to be able to charge them in less than 10 minutes, they will not all of a sudden lose 85% of their range when its a bit chilly outside?? And yes, Nissan will not be competitive when that happens as its not competitive now.

We won’t have a grid nationwide to support his delusions.  Ergo, this is all a pipe dream.

[ktm525]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

That's gotta be a lie, because according to Tauri his Lightning is the best vehicle ever, with zero drawbacks

[Layne]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

That's gotta be a lie, because according to Tauri his Lightning is the best vehicle ever, with zero drawbacks

It’s actually a debadged ecoboost

[EV-Light]

I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.

And, as I pointed out forever, you'll likely need to be a homeowner to own an EV.

Don’t worry you will have to comply eventually…2026 will be a key year; 2030 next…

The Liberals will win another election and we will see gas prices go up to $3


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Why would gas prices hit $3 if everyone is driving EV’s?

And why is economics so hard for Liberals?

You will have no choice…!


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[ArticSteve]

He’s a very small dealer. If he sold 100 new Nissan’s a year I wouldn’t be surprised. There’s also a huge investment he needs to make in his store got EV sales and service. It would not doubt he’d seriously consider dropping his franchise and becoming a used lot.


^^  Totally see that. That dealer won't be alone.

[EV-Light]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

100% lie…but it really depends on how much battery they had…40%? Maybe


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[rrocket]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

100% lie…but it really depends on how much battery they had…40%? Maybe


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How do we know what you're saying isn't 100% lie??   

[revalations]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

That's gotta be a lie, because according to Tauri his Lightning is the best vehicle ever, with zero drawbacks

Zero drawbacks lol. That’s about as funny as everyone being forced into a EV anytime soon.

“You’ll have no choice!”

Imagine the trucking industry running on 100% EV……Even pickup trucks, the kind that work every day hauling. Not some toy that pulls off hauling a 18ft boat to a cottage 100km away and then gets a 5 star review because it could pull of such a amazing feat.

Meanwhile, in EV crazy okanagan, I’m getting a new gas station being built a few km from home. Such big investments being made to simply “force” everyone into this EV dream in a few years. Hopefully they’ll all simply convert to lovely EV chargers.


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[ArticSteve]

Dealers don't sell many EVs right now for various reasons. Price, range, cold weather performance, whatever. But these things will continue to improve and the market for EVs will grow.

Nissan (or any manufacturer) is not voluntarily going to stop selling ICE vehicles if the buyers of those cars are just going to abandon the brand.

And if they are forced to stop selling ICE vehicles due to government regulations, all other manufacturers are going to be in the same boat anyways, so unless Nissan is not competitive, why would they lose buyers to other brands?

It's a dumb statement that was hopefully only made for dramatic effect.


To think even for a moment that this preposterous Marxist mandate will come to be is well ... dumb grossly naive.

In 3 years from now the Trudy mandate is 20% EVs.  In 3 years from now the consumers will be broken due to 6% interest rates.  The Federal finances will be in a debt spiral.  In other words the massive public and consumer debt will make any EV mandate laughable.   

[Layne]

I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.

And, as I pointed out forever, you'll likely need to be a homeowner to own an EV.

Don’t worry you will have to comply eventually…2026 will be a key year; 2030 next…

The Liberals will win another election and we will see gas prices go up to $3


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Why would gas prices hit $3 if everyone is driving EV’s?

And why is economics so hard for Liberals?

You will have no choice…!


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No choice for rolling blackouts?

[ktm525]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

100% lie…but it really depends on how much battery they had…40%? Maybe


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All I know is what they told me. The parts runner Lightning makes a morning 2 hour run in the city and then it's range is too low (This is at -30C) . They use an old Ranger in the afternoon.

[Layne]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

100% lie…but it really depends on how much battery they had…40%? Maybe


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All I know is what they told me. The parts runner Lightning makes a morning 2 hour run in the city and then it's range is too low (This is at -30C) . They use an old Ranger in the afternoon.

It’s not that far off if anything.  Multiple acquaintances have Teslas and in those conditions they claim the are very short haul only.

[Gurgie]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

100% lie…but it really depends on how much battery they had…40%? Maybe


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Ummm, see post 293... Hoovie got less than half the charge at 30°F! Which is about 29°C warmer than what KTM is describing.

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[revalations]

Dealer I was at said their Lightning (parts vehicle) was getting less than 100kms range at -30. About 2 hours worth.

100% lie…but it really depends on how much battery they had…40%? Maybe


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Ummm, see post 293... Hoovie got less than half the charge at 30°F! Which is about 29°C warmer than what KTM is describing.

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100% lie. Hoovie knows nothing about how to effectively operate his Lightning. [emoji38]


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[EV-Light]

The Nissan guy flat out said when Nissan goes all EV they’ll probably shut down altogether as his EV demand is nil.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. 

Why, if the dealer sells no EVs, how would they continue to be in business if thats all Nissan offers?!

Take a minute to think about that.

Dealers don't sell many EVs right now for various reasons. Price, range, cold weather performance, whatever. But these things will continue to improve and the market for EVs will grow.

Nissan (or any manufacturer) is not voluntarily going to stop selling ICE vehicles if the buyers of those cars are just going to abandon the brand.

And if they are forced to stop selling ICE vehicles due to government regulations, all other manufacturers are going to be in the same boat anyways, so unless Nissan is not competitive, why would they lose buyers to other brands?

It's a dumb statement that was hopefully only made for dramatic effect.

Yep! And there’s a huge supply constraint, some EVs have big wait lists because market demand is sky rocketing…!

Any car manufacturer ignoring what’s incoming and the various EV mandates across multiple countries is just…falling wayyyyyyyyyyyy behind the curve.


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