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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #300 on: December 21, 2022, 09:47:15 pm »


. Where are we going to get the electrical supply for all these electrical vehicles? Where will the power generation come from?


From my understanding, not an issue.

However, charging infrastructure WILL be an issue.

Also....there will be no "affordable" cars.  The price of battery tech keeps going up and up and up...since there only is a finite supply of raw material for batteries.

Yeah, I know the infrastructure IS an issue right now, I wasn't sure that there was enough "clean" power generation available. In Ontario we still have issues with heat waves & AC systems putting a strain on the system... now add a couple million cars charging at the same time :banghead:


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The bulk of which should be at night....which SHOULD be fine.

Either way....I think it's a dumb idea.

But Trudeau never msises a chance for virtue signalling!
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #301 on: December 21, 2022, 09:53:38 pm »


. Where are we going to get the electrical supply for all these electrical vehicles? Where will the power generation come from?


From my understanding, not an issue.

However, charging infrastructure WILL be an issue.

Also....there will be no "affordable" cars.  The price of battery tech keeps going up and up and up...since there only is a finite supply of raw material for batteries.

Yeah, I know the infrastructure IS an issue right now, I wasn't sure that there was enough "clean" power generation available. In Ontario we still have issues with heat waves & AC systems putting a strain on the system... now add a couple million cars charging at the same time :banghead:


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The bulk of which should be at night....which SHOULD be fine.

Either way....I think it's a dumb idea.

But Trudeau never msises a chance for virtue signalling!
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #302 on: December 21, 2022, 10:41:33 pm »
I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.

And, as I pointed out forever, you'll likely need to be a homeowner to own an EV.
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #303 on: December 21, 2022, 11:24:25 pm »
I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.

And, as I pointed out forever, you'll likely need to be a homeowner to own an EV.
Don’t worry you will have to comply eventually…2026 will be a key year; 2030 next…

The Liberals will win another election and we will see gas prices go up to $3


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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #304 on: December 21, 2022, 11:29:01 pm »
I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.

And, as I pointed out forever, you'll likely need to be a homeowner to own an EV.
Don’t worry you will have to comply eventually…2026 will be a key year; 2030 next…

The Liberals will win another election and we will see gas prices go up to $3


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I'll never have to comply.

I'll just keep buying used ICE.

And I feel gross and dirty saying this...buy perhaps the CONS will get into office to fix this blunder.


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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #305 on: December 21, 2022, 11:38:57 pm »
I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.

And, as I pointed out forever, you'll likely need to be a homeowner to own an EV.
Don’t worry you will have to comply eventually…2026 will be a key year; 2030 next…

The Liberals will win another election and we will see gas prices go up to $3


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Why would gas prices hit $3 if everyone is driving EV’s?

And why is economics so hard for Liberals?

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #306 on: December 21, 2022, 11:48:24 pm »



And why is economics so hard for Liberals?

Not hard.

Just easier to be unethical, disingenuous, lie, etc

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #307 on: December 21, 2022, 11:51:19 pm »



And why is economics so hard for Liberals?

Not hard.

Just easier to be unethical, disingenuous, lie, etc
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #308 on: December 21, 2022, 11:57:04 pm »
We get to “comply” to buying a useless pickup like the lightning? How exciting the future is! Sure glad the government has this mandate coming!


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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #309 on: December 22, 2022, 12:08:47 am »
We get to “comply” to buying a useless pickup like the lightning? How exciting the future is! Sure glad the government has this mandate coming!


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You mean the Lightning with base price of $80k now??   :o

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #310 on: December 22, 2022, 12:46:56 am »
We get to “comply” to buying a useless pickup like the lightning? How exciting the future is! Sure glad the government has this mandate coming!


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You mean the Lightning with base price of $80k now??   :o
What’s a paltry $80 grand when gas is $3/L? And charging these things is bound to stay dirt cheap, right?


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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #311 on: December 22, 2022, 01:01:15 am »
We get to “comply” to buying a useless pickup like the lightning? How exciting the future is! Sure glad the government has this mandate coming!


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You mean the Lightning with base price of $80k now??   :o
What’s a paltry $80 grand when gas is $3/L? And charging these things is bound to stay dirt cheap, right?


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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #312 on: December 22, 2022, 06:58:49 am »
I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.


It would be much higher than 10-12% in Quebec if EV’s would be available to meet demand. My son just put a deposit on a Bolt, 18 to 24 months to get it. We’re trading my wife ICE XC40 for the XC40 Recharge. 2023’s sold out. It’s going to be a 2024 if we’re lucky.




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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #313 on: December 22, 2022, 08:30:21 am »
I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.


It would be much higher than 10-12% in Quebec if EV’s would be available to meet demand. My son just put a deposit on a Bolt, 18 to 24 months to get it. We’re trading my wife ICE XC40 for the XC40 Recharge. 2023’s sold out. It’s going to be a 2024 if we’re lucky.

Yup. Supply is limiting sales, otherwise we would easily be past 20% already. 11.4% of vehicles sold in the province last year had a plug. BC reached 15%. Ontario is in third place at around 5%, other provinces can't top 4%. But BC and QC sales show that the target is realistic, provided PHEVs and provincial incentives are part of the solution. Imagine a PHEV F-150 with, say, a 40 kWh battery pack - now that would be a win-win, if prices can come down. If GM holds its $35k promise on the Equinox, and others follow, the market will sway.
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #314 on: December 22, 2022, 08:53:13 am »
We haven’t experienced a heavily taxed grid yet.  That should be fun in areas without hydro.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #315 on: December 22, 2022, 12:08:41 pm »
We get to “comply” to buying a useless pickup like the lightning? How exciting the future is! Sure glad the government has this mandate coming!


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This will be great for the types that need a truck as an instagram background, which the F150 is great at, but if you actually do truck things with your truck, you are screwed. Its the Liberals though, why would they care about people with real jobs??
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #316 on: December 22, 2022, 12:44:05 pm »
I still don't know how you'll mandate or "force" people to buy X percentage of EVs.  Especially is (as I predict) they keep going up in price.

Even in Quebec, which is very EV friendly, rebates, good infrastructure, etc...they only run at about 10-12% EVs for new cars..and not always at that level either.


It would be much higher than 10-12% in Quebec if EV’s would be available to meet demand. My son just put a deposit on a Bolt, 18 to 24 months to get it. We’re trading my wife ICE XC40 for the XC40 Recharge. 2023’s sold out. It’s going to be a 2024 if we’re lucky.

Yup. Supply is limiting sales, otherwise we would easily be past 20% already. 11.4% of vehicles sold in the province last year had a plug. BC reached 15%. Ontario is in third place at around 5%, other provinces can't top 4%. But BC and QC sales show that the target is realistic, provided PHEVs and provincial incentives are part of the solution. Imagine a PHEV F-150 with, say, a 40 kWh battery pack - now that would be a win-win, if prices can come down. If GM holds its $35k promise on the Equinox, and others follow, the market will sway.
My job involves me face to face with dealership managers on a daily basis. I always ask how the demand is for BEV’s. So far, they all want PHEV’s because that’s what buyers want too. Customers aren’t beating down doors to buy EV. Even my GM dealer has a few Bolts in stock he’d love to move, and those are at the low end of the EV price scale. And boy do EV’s ever get traded in, especially Tesla’s. And ask how hard those are to resell right now. The last one I had a hand in selling went $14,000 below ask to a buyer in Toronto. Even the lower mainland demand for them has tanked.

My northern dealers can’t give a EV away, the Ford guy sold all his lightnings to other Ford stores, the single ONE he did sell retail got traded back in 4 months later. And the commitment Ford wants for him to be a full EV dealer is absolutely lunacy and he won’t be taking part. Even the northern Toyota guys see much less demand for the white hot RA4 Prime compared to the dealers south. The Subaru dealer got a few Solterra’s and sold both to other dealers. The Nissan guy flat out said when Nissan goes all EV they’ll probably shut down altogether as his EV demand is nil. Might change in the future? Sure, but it’s remote out there and it -38 today, those EV hurdles won’t change.

I’m sure big metro areas are different. EVs work much better there. But here in the interior/rural BC this is what I see. I’d bet 90% of the EV’s sold here in BC are in the lower mainland.


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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #317 on: December 22, 2022, 12:46:28 pm »
Its currently about -35....I would not want to rely on golf cart tech to get me home, especially when the "drivers" of Edmonton are renowned at crashing into each other for no reason.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lightning
« Reply #318 on: December 22, 2022, 12:47:25 pm »
The Nissan guy flat out said when Nissan goes all EV they’ll probably shut down altogether as his EV demand is nil.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.  ;D

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« Reply #319 on: December 22, 2022, 12:49:33 pm »
The Nissan guy flat out said when Nissan goes all EV they’ll probably shut down altogether as his EV demand is nil.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.  ;D

Why, if the dealer sells no EVs, how would they continue to be in business if thats all Nissan offers?!