Topic: 2022 F-150 Lightning

[Guy]

The problem I see with batteries, the bigger the load the bigger the battery, for Trucking this could be a real problem. because you really need like for like. I can't Imagin the size of truck you need to tow 42,000 and 45,000 pounds, with 53-foot truck. with reasonable millage and cost for trucking company.

For that application hydrogen may be the answer.

[Layne]

The problem I see with batteries, the bigger the load the bigger the battery, for Trucking this could be a real problem. because you really need like for like. I can't Imagin the size of truck you need to tow 42,000 and 45,000 pounds, with 53-foot truck. with reasonable millage and cost for trucking company.

For that application hydrogen may be the answer.

Still need hydrocarbons for that though.

[dkaz]

I towed my trailer at 95-100 km/h to save on gas because I would be using closer to 30 L/100km at 110 and I ended up using 26 there and 24 back. With time to gas up half way and grab food and stuff, it was a 5.25 hour journey for a 400km trip with 4.25 hours of actual driving. If I had to charge an EV 3 times at 30 minutes each, it would've been a 5.75 hour journey.

I'm hearing they want to put large batteries on the trailer itself to increase the tow vehicle's range. Bonus plus that the trailer would have a huge battery to tap into.

[Ontariodriver]

The problem I see with batteries, the bigger the load the bigger the battery, for Trucking this could be a real problem. because you really need like for like. I can't Imagin the size of truck you need to tow 42,000 and 45,000 pounds, with 53-foot truck. with reasonable millage and cost for trucking company.

For that application hydrogen may be the answer.

THE BIG EV LIE. Why They Won't Save the Planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sytWLB4-W-M&ab_channel=TheCarGuys.TV

I've always though EV, was the wrong solution, if you got 26 mins this is worth a watch

[PJungnitsch]

Range aside, could see an EV truck actually being better to haul a trailer. Lots of weight and torque, why so many upgrade from a standard pickup to a 3/4 ton diesel

[revalations]

Range aside, could see an EV truck actually being better to haul a trailer. Lots of weight and torque, why so many upgrade from a standard pickup to a 3/4 ton diesel

Once you’ve towed with a HD diesel you’d never want to go back. With this setup I got 18.7L/100 km and the trailer was loaded, truck had five people onboard.


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[EV-Light]

The problem I see with batteries, the bigger the load the bigger the battery, for Trucking this could be a real problem. because you really need like for like. I can't Imagin the size of truck you need to tow 42,000 and 45,000 pounds, with 53-foot truck. with reasonable millage and cost for trucking company.

For that application hydrogen may be the answer.

THE BIG EV LIE. Why They Won't Save the Planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sytWLB4-W-M&ab_channel=TheCarGuys.TV

I've always though EV, was the wrong solution, if you got 26 mins this is worth a watch

Resistance is futile


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[revalations]

The problem I see with batteries, the bigger the load the bigger the battery, for Trucking this could be a real problem. because you really need like for like. I can't Imagin the size of truck you need to tow 42,000 and 45,000 pounds, with 53-foot truck. with reasonable millage and cost for trucking company.

Something better has to be thought out. Pure electric certainly isn’t the answer.


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[StivenJK]

Gasoline and used ICE vehicles will be available long enough for inventory of good used electric vehicles to build up. If we're talking about driving being inaccessible to the new generation of drivers, that started decades ago. Most high schoolers don't want to pay $300-500 a month for the luxury of operating a vehicle vs. less than $100 for a bus pass. I didn't consistently own a car until I was 24. I see Communauto offering unlimited car share drives under 30 minutes for $85 per month which is a fantastic option if you live and work within their operational zone.

When I was a student, I also had this opinion. But now I like to have cars. I have an old 1985 Mercedes and I like to improve something in it in my free time, sometimes I change some parts myself. It fascinates me and I would not want to give up the car and I have no idea how I will change my cars to electric cars

[conwelpic]

interesting video from Dec 14th of "How to build a Ford F-150 Lightning - Full Factory Tour"

https://youtu.be/T8Jlod53BCU

[Blueprint]

This will make your day, guys!

The colleagues at Guide de l'Auto did some highway towing with a Lighting:

https://www.guideautoweb.com/articles/68882/ford-f-150-lightning-2022-on-a-remorque-et-on-a-ete-franchement-decu/

Single axle trailer was one of those "V-shaped" utility boxes, 3,000 lbs loaded, so way below the truck's 10,000 lbs rating.



141 km started with 316 km of displayed range (Mistake No1 : the 131 kWh battery wasn't full). They drove at the "tolerated speed" (Mistake No2: stick to the speed limits when towing). Temps around the freezing point, so some heating required but it wasn't Prairies-cold.

Range left at destination: 36 km  Displayed energy use for the trip: 60 kWh/100 km 

Mistake No3: the return trip was without the trailer, and they don't report on energy use 

[Guy]

It’s not so much the weight of the trailer but the aerodynamic load. But yes, if you plan to tow moderate to long distance, stick to ICE or hybtid.

[ArticSteve]

If anyone here watches Hoovies Garage (giant utuber) and his pal the carwizard, both in the state of Kansas; he's got a very recent vid out on the full jam Lightening.  At 30F to 37F the Lightening gets approx 1/2 of what the original charge is purporting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8gH52gKejE

[rrocket]

^^Not terribly surprising IMO.

My range is a solid 40km in summer.

Drops to 25km in winter with the heat, heated seats and heated wheel on.

[ArticSteve]

Timely thread

By 2030, according to the federal government's plan, the mandate will hit 60 per cent of all sales, 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-ev-mandates-2026-1.6693967


First the vaccine mandate, second a total long gun ban, and now this preposterous EV mandate.   

[Layne]

Timely thread

By 2030, according to the federal government's plan, the mandate will hit 60 per cent of all sales,

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-ev-mandates-2026-1.6693967


First the vaccine mandate, second a total long gun ban, and now this preposterous EV mandate.   

Will Quebec be funding the infrastructure necessary to support this EV program?

[Gurgie]

Timely thread

By 2030, according to the federal government's plan, the mandate will hit 60 per cent of all sales,

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-ev-mandates-2026-1.6693967


First the vaccine mandate, second a total long gun ban, and now this preposterous EV mandate.    [emoji14]

I just shake my head at this, read the article earlier doay & was confused. Where are we going to get the electrical supply for all these electrical vehicles? Where will the power generation come from?

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[rrocket]

. Where are we going to get the electrical supply for all these electrical vehicles? Where will the power generation come from?

From my understanding, not an issue.

However, charging infrastructure WILL be an issue.

Also....there will be no "affordable" cars.  The price of battery tech keeps going up and up and up...since there only is a finite supply of raw material for batteries.

[Layne]

Timely thread

By 2030, according to the federal government's plan, the mandate will hit 60 per cent of all sales,

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-ev-mandates-2026-1.6693967


First the vaccine mandate, second a total long gun ban, and now this preposterous EV mandate.    [emoji14]

I just shake my head at this, read the article earlier doay & was confused. Where are we going to get the electrical supply for all these electrical vehicles? Where will the power generation come from?

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Those timelines are not achievable, especially from an economic and reach perspective.  It’s actually quite humorous.

[Gurgie]

. Where are we going to get the electrical supply for all these electrical vehicles? Where will the power generation come from?

From my understanding, not an issue.

However, charging infrastructure WILL be an issue.

Also....there will be no "affordable" cars.  The price of battery tech keeps going up and up and up...since there only is a finite supply of raw material for batteries.

Yeah, I know the infrastructure IS an issue right now, I wasn't sure that there was enough "clean" power generation available. In Ontario we still have issues with heat waves & AC systems putting a strain on the system... now add a couple million cars charging at the same time


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