Topic: 2022 F-150 Lightning

[dkaz]

Gasoline and used ICE vehicles will be available long enough for inventory of good used electric vehicles to build up. If we're talking about driving being inaccessible to the new generation of drivers, that started decades ago. Most high schoolers don't want to pay $300-500 a month for the luxury of operating a vehicle vs. less than $100 for a bus pass. I didn't consistently own a car until I was 24. I see Communauto offering unlimited car share drives under 30 minutes for $85 per month which is a fantastic option if you live and work within their operational zone.

[Layne]

EV Truck towing sucks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y

[quadzilla]

EV Truck towing sucks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y

Old news and it isn't just trucks, it is anything EV.

[Layne]

EV Truck towing sucks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y

Old news and it isn't just trucks, it is anything EV.

Posted Sept 23rd on Youtube and this is old news to you.   

So a lot of non truck EV's are used for towing? 

[tortoise]

He's referring to the fact that towing with an EV really reduces the range.

That's definitely old news.

[dkaz]

They're going to figure things out just like they did with ICE.

Posted Sept 23rd on Youtube and this is old news to you.   

We've been seeing F-150 Lightning and Rivian R1T towing tests since June, and they tested the Tesla Model X years back which can tow 5,000 lb.

[quadzilla]

EV Truck towing sucks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y

Old news and it isn't just trucks, it is anything EV.

Posted Sept 23rd on Youtube and this is old news to you.   

So a lot of non truck EV's are used for towing? 

Just because somebody posts something new to YT, it doesn't automatically make it new news. 

And yes, as already posted, others have tried towing with an EV car and the results were similar.

[Layne]

He's referring to the fact that towing with an EV really reduces the range.

That's definitely old news.

Well there you go.  I guess I am late to the party.

LOL

[Layne]

They're going to figure things out just like they did with ICE.

Posted Sept 23rd on Youtube and this is old news to you.   

We've been seeing F-150 Lightning and Rivian R1T towing tests since June, and they tested the Tesla Model X years back which can tow 5,000 lb.

This is about the rate of reduction in range and not outright towability....

[Layne]

EV Truck towing sucks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y

Old news and it isn't just trucks, it is anything EV.

Posted Sept 23rd on Youtube and this is old news to you.   

So a lot of non truck EV's are used for towing? 

Just because somebody posts something new to YT, it doesn't automatically make it new news. 

And yes, as already posted, others have tried towing with an EV car and the results were similar.

I posted a video that came out today...today.  That is new news...who knew?

[dkaz]

Yes, they talked about seeing just 100 miles on their F-150 Lightning. That video you posted, since I couldn't listen with sound, did he have the 115 or 150 kWh battery?

Rivian R1T which normally has a 314 mile (505 km) range on the 135 kWh battery had a 134 mile (215 km) range towing an Airstream. In total on a 500 mile road trip, they charged 5 times at a cost of $80. A little cheaper than the $350 I spent on gas over a similar length trip towing the camper.

https://insideevs.com/news/593575/rivian-towing-range/

[Layne]

Yes, they talked about seeing just 100 miles on their F-150 Lightning. That video you posted, since I couldn't listen with sound, did he have the 115 or 150 kWh battery?

Rivian R1T which normally has a 314 mile (505 km) range on the 135 kWh battery had a 134 mile (215 km) range towing an Airstream. In total on a 500 mile road trip, they charged 5 times at a cost of $80. A little cheaper than the $350 I spent on gas over a similar length trip towing the camper.

https://insideevs.com/news/593575/rivian-towing-range/

How many hours to charge?

[EV-Light]

Yes, they talked about seeing just 100 miles on their F-150 Lightning. That video you posted, since I couldn't listen with sound, did he have the 115 or 150 kWh battery?

Rivian R1T which normally has a 314 mile (505 km) range on the 135 kWh battery had a 134 mile (215 km) range towing an Airstream. In total on a 500 mile road trip, they charged 5 times at a cost of $80. A little cheaper than the $350 I spent on gas over a similar length trip towing the camper.

https://insideevs.com/news/593575/rivian-towing-range/

How many hours to charge?

What hours lol - 30-40min…in a trip like this you’d want to charge to 80% and then get going again.


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[Guy]

Well, 30 minutes 5 times is 2.5 hours. Its clear towing a camper is not the best use of an EV.

[EV-Light]

Well, 30 minutes 5 times is 2.5 hours. Its clear towing a camper is not the best use of an EV.

Really depends how quickly you wanna get there & how much you wanna pay - $80 vs $350 (in this example…) is pretty significant


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[Firm]

I think some of you are failing to appreciate how some people use their vehicles. 30 minutes 5 times = 2.5 hours, that literally doubles the time it takes to travel the 215km range (in the Rivian Airstream example). As a travel vehicle, that's unacceptable.

I have a trip to the southern US coming up...Currently debating whether to make the ~16 hour drive (split across 2 days, because kids) or put up with the nitemare of flying with the family. If I choose to drive the 1500+ kms, I can do it in my 15 year old Escalade, in total comfort, stop 2 (maybe 3) times for gas at 5 minutes each...It'll cost me more than if I attempted it in the EV, but at least the vehicle won't be the limiting factor in how much distance I can cover (pretty sure the kids will take care of that) in a day.

That's part of the appeal of a big travel friendly truck/SUV....the freedom associated with it to go anywhere, any distance, take anything with you, etc. That's why these EV units just have zero appeal to me, at least until the tech gets far enough along that we're talking about ranges in the thousands of kms, and without crippling restrictions on that range (towing, bad weather, etc).

[tortoise]

Totally agree that is a large imposition for a 215 km drive. That's only feasible if it's a rare occurrence.

As for your drive, assuming you aren't towing, you'd only have to charge a Lightning with the big battery 3 times in that 1500 km.

And one of those charges could be over night, assuming you booked at a hotel with a charging station.

With a bunch of kids in tow, I think a 40 minute break would be appreciated after 500 km on the road.

[EV-Light]

I think some of you are failing to appreciate how some people use their vehicles. 30 minutes 5 times = 2.5 hours, that literally doubles the time it takes to travel the 215km range (in the Rivian Airstream example). As a travel vehicle, that's unacceptable.

I have a trip to the southern US coming up...Currently debating whether to make the ~16 hour drive (split across 2 days, because kids) or put up with the nitemare of flying with the family. If I choose to drive the 1500+ kms, I can do it in my 15 year old Escalade, in total comfort, stop 2 (maybe 3) times for gas at 5 minutes each...It'll cost me more than if I attempted it in the EV, but at least the vehicle won't be the limiting factor in how much distance I can cover (pretty sure the kids will take care of that) in a day.

That's part of the appeal of a big travel friendly truck/SUV....the freedom associated with it to go anywhere, any distance, take anything with you, etc. That's why these EV units just have zero appeal to me, at least until the tech gets far enough along that we're talking about ranges in the thousands of kms, and without crippling restrictions on that range (towing, bad weather, etc).

I’m flying @1500km…like most people would…


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[Ontariodriver]

The problem I see with batteries, the bigger the load the bigger the battery, for Trucking this could be a real problem. because you really need like for like. I can't Imagin the size of truck you need to tow 42,000 and 45,000 pounds, with 53-foot truck. with reasonable millage and cost for trucking company.

[TheHire]

I think some of you are failing to appreciate how some people use their vehicles. 30 minutes 5 times = 2.5 hours, that literally doubles the time it takes to travel the 215km range (in the Rivian Airstream example). As a travel vehicle, that's unacceptable.

I have a trip to the southern US coming up...Currently debating whether to make the ~16 hour drive (split across 2 days, because kids) or put up with the nitemare of flying with the family. If I choose to drive the 1500+ kms, I can do it in my 15 year old Escalade, in total comfort, stop 2 (maybe 3) times for gas at 5 minutes each...It'll cost me more than if I attempted it in the EV, but at least the vehicle won't be the limiting factor in how much distance I can cover (pretty sure the kids will take care of that) in a day.

That's part of the appeal of a big travel friendly truck/SUV....the freedom associated with it to go anywhere, any distance, take anything with you, etc. That's why these EV units just have zero appeal to me, at least until the tech gets far enough along that we're talking about ranges in the thousands of kms, and without crippling restrictions on that range (towing, bad weather, etc).

You're 100% bang on. I flew to the US in the spring for a close friend's bachelor party. I chose to jump on an airplane and fly the 1:30 rather than do the 1,000km drive. Three of my idiot friends decided to road trip it in a Tesla. They had to stop to charge 3 times, for an hour each, and the high-speed chargers were out of the way. On one of these occasions, the chargers were non-operative, and they had to go another 30-40 min out of the way to go find somewhere to juice up.

It just doesn't work for long distances. I'm all about the EV for commuting in town, as long as you have access to your own charger at home and/or work (I have both). Just don't try to sell me on it on a road trip - give me my big cushy sedan that I can trust to drive me to the moon and back without fail.