Topic: 2022 F-150 Lightning

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Yup,  I think the the Powerboost is the BEST compromise, and likely the best half ton tow vehicle money can buy right now. 

If I was truck shopping RIGHT NOW, I'd be looking very hard at an F-150 Powerboost.

[dkaz]

Oh yea?  How many in your province?

These are more or less vaporware.

Car and Driver has been using these Superchargers.  Due to the scarcity and demand...they've been paying the equivalent of $9 a gallon to use them. 

Yes...$9 a gallon.

So yea....vaporware.

Nearest one to me is 200kms away....

Well living in the middle of nowhere doesn't help you.  Petro Canada installed them in a way that one can drive from Victoria all the way to Halifax.

https://www.petro-canada.ca/en/personal/gas-station-locations?fuel=ElectricChargingStation&latlng=46.498607,-90.049416&zoom=6

And they note most of their stations support 350 kW charging. Petro Canada charges 33 cents a km in Alberta and Ontario, 27 cents a minute in BC. I don't quite agree with the per minute charging as someone with a 350 kW capable vehicle would be that's the equivalent of 4.6 cents a kWh if someone had a 350 kW charger, 10.8 cents at 150 kW, and 32.4 cents at 50 kW. There are 8 Petro Canadas in Alberta along Hwy 1. Edmonton was unfortunately left out of this electric highway for the time being so the second closest one is north of Calgary about 265km away, but oddly Athabasca 150 km north is my closest one. Remember most people are going to charge at home.

I am going to disect that Car & Driver article you're talking about:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35152087/tesla-model-3-charging-costs-per-mile/

Car & Driver claims that 26.4 cents per kWh is $8.76 a gallon. Let's do math because math doesn't lie. I calculated that their Model 3 has been averaging 25.3 kWh/100km which is high but they're car journalists who beat the out of the cars. So it's costing them $6.68 per 100km. At $8.76 a gallon, that's as if the Model 3 uses 0.762 gallons or 2.88 L per 100km, or 81 MPG. Oh I see how they're getting that number, EPA claims that 1 gallon of gas is the equivalent of 33.6 kWh of electricity so the Model 3 has a claimed 84 MPGe. I hate MPGe btw. It's comparing apples to oranges. kWh/100km or miles per kW makes more sense to me. Regardless, the article is mostly about how much more expensive it is to use Superchargers than it is to charge at home, which is why most people charge from home and only use charging stations if they're travelling. Going on a road trip, expect to use 6.68 cents per km which is somewhere between what a gas compact sedan and a hybrid compact sedan uses in gas.

[dkaz]

(can someone tweet Mike Levine and tell that guy to put the big tank in the hybrid! FFS - best camping truck you can possibly get, enough to tow my camper anyway, and they put the stupid smallest tank in it...facking morons.  If Oliver can get a manual on the Bronco, surely we can get a real gas tank on the hybrid  )

The F150 Hybrid has a 116 litre tank, that's good for well over 1,000 km of range. What are you talking about?

[rrocket]

Well living in the middle of nowhere doesn't help you. 
 Remember most people are going to charge at home.

I dunno....Windsor is one of the busiest traffic corridors in NA.



And I agree..most people will charge at home.  So a Level 2.   Which I said initially.  Which is 10+ hours.  Which you took exception to.

So WTF was your point again if you just agreed with what I said initially?   

[dkaz]

Well living in the middle of nowhere doesn't help you. 
 Remember most people are going to charge at home.

I dunno....Windsor is one of the busiest traffic corridors in NA.



And I agree..most people will charge at home.  So a Level 2.   Which I said initially.  Which is 10+ hours.  Which you took exception to.

So WTF was your point again if you just agreed with what I said initially?   

Assumed you assumed that was the fastest it could charge at.

[rrocket]

^^Gotcha.

[conwelpic]

sorry to break it to the person who started this thread but Ford calls this truck LIGHTNING, not Lighting unless of course we are just talking about its lighting features (doesn't appear to be that way) then I apologize 

[BWII]

(can someone tweet Mike Levine and tell that guy to put the big tank in the hybrid! FFS - best camping truck you can possibly get, enough to tow my camper anyway, and they put the stupid smallest tank in it...facking morons.  If Oliver can get a manual on the Bronco, surely we can get a real gas tank on the hybrid  )

The F150 Hybrid has a 116 litre tank, that's good for well over 1,000 km of range. What are you talking about?

Huh ...where do you see that?  Normally they come with a 96l tank and the 136l tank is the upsell.  I had the 96l tank on my 2011 and it was annoying having to stop as often or being 40km to the next station with 60 km 'til empty...because it does not decrease proportionally to what you're seeing on the dash.  60km to empty might actually only be 40 if the wind changes or it's all uphill to the next petrol palace. 

I just built one and I can't find that anywhere...doesn't mean I'm not wrong (or right), just means I'm incapable of finding it. 

[OliverD]

(can someone tweet Mike Levine and tell that guy to put the big tank in the hybrid! FFS - best camping truck you can possibly get, enough to tow my camper anyway, and they put the stupid smallest tank in it...facking morons.  If Oliver can get a manual on the Bronco, surely we can get a real gas tank on the hybrid  )

The F150 Hybrid has a 116 litre tank, that's good for well over 1,000 km of range. What are you talking about?

Huh ...where do you see that?  Normally they come with a 96l tank and the 136l tank is the upsell.  I had the 96l tank on my 2011 and it was annoying having to stop as often or being 40km to the next station with 60 km 'til empty...because it does not decrease proportionally to what you're seeing on the dash.  60km to empty might actually only be 40 if the wind changes or it's all uphill to the next petrol palace. 

I just built one and I can't find that anywhere...doesn't mean I'm not wrong (or right), just means I'm incapable of finding it. 

Well if you build and price one and there's no option for a larger fuel tank that doesn't tell you how big the tank is, does it?



So yes, 116 litres.

[EV Dan]

What you get in the 40k (US) Lightning Pro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcXdJhRLJ8k
(AoA)

[me_2]

By Two Bit da Vinci Ford F-150 Lightning Goes Electric: First Drive!

[F-150 Lightning]

Electric vehicle have and probably always will have the problem of range and loading time.
But I still think that for an electric vehicle the F-150 Lightning is one oft the best announced jet.

[BWII]

Well if you build and price one and there's no option for a larger fuel tank that doesn't tell you how big the tank is, does it?



So yes, 116 litres.

Uhm...exactly?  I just assumed since the 96 l tank was/is the usual/normal standard where you can't pick the 136l tank, that it meant the 96l was standard on all models and if you couldn't pick the 136l tank it meant you got the standard tank.  Still can't find the info on Ford's website, but I did find it elsewhere (didn't think of just doing a Google search - I mean why would it be any different?  How I was thinking anyway.)

[EV Dan]

Electric vehicle have and probably always will have the problem of range and loading time.
But I still think that for an electric vehicle the F-150 Lightning is one oft the best announced jet.

Go home bot, you are drunk.

[BWII]

But it's named after the thread!  Even the misspelling!!  Smart bot...or foolish bot...

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Y'all know the best part about the electric F-150 Lightning?

Ford finally solved its cam phaser issues!!!! 

[PJungnitsch]

What's going to be the 800v version of half assed engineering?

[EV Dan]

What's going to be the 800v version of half assed engineering?

Electrocution.

Battery cell fireworks 

[dkaz]

This isn't exactly Ford's first EV.

[Brig]

I fixed the title of the thread because the typo was making me crazy.