Topic: 2022 Golf R Mk8

[Gurgie]

Good prices all around.

You upgrading?   

Upgrading? If i wanted a Golf I would have kept it.

But... a 2022 GTI would be considered an upgrade 

[Triple Bob]

Good prices all around.

You upgrading?   

Upgrading? If i wanted a Golf I would have kept it.

But... a 2022 GTI would be considered an upgrade 

Meh, it's still a Golf. I've got way too many cars I want to try before buying what I used to have.

[quadzilla]

Pricing is out:

Thanks for posting. Is the fuel tank still 50L? I can't 'find anything on VW.ca

Just wondering why you want to know the fuel tank size?  Do you find that you can't get quite enough range out of your GTI?

Yes, I would like more range. Seems most of the small cars have had their tanks reduced (I get why) so max range is hitting 600 km. Add on a roof box and/or bikes on the back and it eats into that range. Would be nice to get a safe 700 km out of a tank with my next car.

Also, it is about 650 km to Wilmington NY (Lake Placid area) from my house and it bugs me to do a splash and go just to make it there.

[OliverD]

The 50L tank always bugged me a bit in the GTI. Just seemed a bit too small for a car like that.

[Triple Bob]

Pricing is out:

Thanks for posting. Is the fuel tank still 50L? I can't 'find anything on VW.ca

Just wondering why you want to know the fuel tank size?  Do you find that you can't get quite enough range out of your GTI?

Yes, I would like more range. Seems most of the small cars have had their tanks reduced (I get why) so max range is hitting 600 km. Add on a roof box and/or bikes on the back and it eats into that range. Would be nice to get a safe 700 km out of a tank with my next car.

Also, it is about 650 km to Wilmington NY (Lake Placid area) from my house and it bugs me to do a splash and go just to make it there.

That's why I loved getting 1000km per tank in the TDi

[Patrick_D1]

Tank in the GTI is still 50L, Golf R is 55L.

[JohnnyMac]

Pricing is out:

Thanks for posting. Is the fuel tank still 50L? I can't 'find anything on VW.ca

Just wondering why you want to know the fuel tank size?  Do you find that you can't get quite enough range out of your GTI?

Yes, I would like more range. Seems most of the small cars have had their tanks reduced (I get why) so max range is hitting 600 km. Add on a roof box and/or bikes on the back and it eats into that range. Would be nice to get a safe 700 km out of a tank with my next car.

Also, it is about 650 km to Wilmington NY (Lake Placid area) from my house and it bugs me to do a splash and go just to make it there.

To be fair the current GTI with the 50L tank would go further than yours as it is a bit more efficient, but once you add the roof box, bikes on the back, etc, you have to expect the range to go down.  In my GLI on the highway with a full tank I can push it to 750+kms before refilling.  I'd expect the next GTI to be slightly more efficient than that too considering they always seem to improve that, but maybe I'm wrong.

[JohnnyMac]

Tank in the GTI is still 50L, Golf R is 55L.

Do you know what the fuel efficiency number will be Patrick?

[tortoise]

To be fair the current GTI with the 50L tank would go further than yours as it is a bit more efficient, but once you add the roof box, bikes on the back, etc, you have to expect the range to go down.  In my GLI on the highway with a full tank I can push it to 750+kms before refilling.  I'd expect the next GTI to be slightly more efficient than that too considering they always seem to improve that, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think, due to the tapered shape, that sedans are more fuel efficient than hatches at highwa speeds.  I'd expect the GLI to be more efficient than the GTI.

Actually, just looked it up.  The GLI is rated at 35 MPG and the GTI at 32 MPG.  Nice to not be talking out of my ass for once!

[JohnnyMac]

To be fair the current GTI with the 50L tank would go further than yours as it is a bit more efficient, but once you add the roof box, bikes on the back, etc, you have to expect the range to go down.  In my GLI on the highway with a full tank I can push it to 750+kms before refilling.  I'd expect the next GTI to be slightly more efficient than that too considering they always seem to improve that, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think, due to the tapered shape, that sedans are more fuel efficient than hatches at highwa speeds.  I'd expect the GLI to be more efficient than the GTI.

Actually, just looked it up.  The GLI is rated at 35 MPG and the GTI at 32 MPG.  Nice to not be talking out of my ass for once!

Hmmm, so that is like a 9% difference in fuel efficiency.  So in real life a new GTI should get closer to 680kms on a tank.  I still think that's pretty good.  It does make you wonder why automakers don't offer larger tanks in their vehicles to increase the range.  You can't tell me a 60L tank would cost that much more to install and configure in the vehicle.  That alone would be a 20% increase in range, so an extra 130kms on a full tank.

[tortoise]

I wouldn't be surprised if the extra weight of a larger tank slightly affects the fuel economy rating.

The range of my TDI is one of my favorite parts. 800km is no problem without even trying.

[dougjp]

There are two other factors, perhaps the main reasons. First, the GTi has a smaller diameter tire (225/40R18 vs. GLi 225/45R18) and therefore revs higher. Second, gearing is different. According to 2019 specs listed at C&D for DSG equipped cars, the GTi has a final drive ratio of 4.77 and a 7th gear ration of 0.64. The GLi has a final drive ratio of 4.17 and the same 7th gear ratio of 0.64.

So in addition to the tire size, the gear ratio also means the engine is revving quite a bit higher. The GTi is a bit lighter in DSG guise, 3,128 lbs. vs. 3,217 lbs., but this doesn't equate to better fuel economy because of the big RPM differences. Obviously the two were designed for a bit different market segments.

[quadzilla]

So in real life a new GTI should get closer to 680kms on a tank.

Maybe if you name is Kramer 

Also, lets just use one source for f/e numbers as driving in NB is nothing like crossing the GTA with regards to efficiency. I got my numbers from fueleconomy.gov.

My 2009 is rated 8.1 hwy and the 2021 is 7.4 but I have a 55L tank vs the 50L now. Lets just pretend the 2022 get 7.2 hwy.

Leaving 10L in the tank because you don't take chances in the mountains.

2009 = 555 km
2021 = 540 km
2022 = 555 km

Even leaving just 5L in the tank

2009 = 617 km
2021 = 608 km
2022 = 625 km

Add in headwinds, bikes, roof box, horrible traffic, accidents, and it only gets worse. Sure one can take the 407 around GTA but you tend to drive faster (130 vs 120) to drop $40 each way for the convenience.

[JohnnyMac]

So in real life a new GTI should get closer to 680kms on a tank.

Maybe if you name is Kramer 

Also, lets just use one source for f/e numbers as driving in NB is nothing like crossing the GTA with regards to efficiency. I got my numbers from fueleconomy.gov.

My 2009 is rated 8.1 hwy and the 2021 is 7.4 but I have a 55L tank vs the 50L now. Lets just pretend the 2022 get 7.2 hwy.

Leaving 10L in the tank because you don't take chances in the mountains.

2009 = 555 km
2021 = 540 km
2022 = 555 km

Even leaving just 5L in the tank

2009 = 617 km
2021 = 608 km
2022 = 625 km

Add in headwinds, bikes, roof box, horrible traffic, accidents, and it only gets worse. Sure one can take the 407 around GTA but you tend to drive faster (130 vs 120) to drop $40 each way for the convenience.

Yeah I wasn't sure what size tank yours has, so it has a full 5L more, which means the new GTI would have to be 10% more fuel efficient in order to go the same distance.  In that case I don't see the difference being enough for you to even notice.  So if your main goal is distance until having to refuel, the GTI won't be the one to achieve that goal. 

I would however like to see what other options you'd consider that would extend your travels on one tank in a noticeable way.  From what I can gather most vehicles targets are around the same distance traveled per tank, not many left out there that give you the 1,000kms like the old TDI's.

[quadzilla]

So in real life a new GTI should get closer to 680kms on a tank.

Maybe if you name is Kramer 

Also, lets just use one source for f/e numbers as driving in NB is nothing like crossing the GTA with regards to efficiency. I got my numbers from fueleconomy.gov.

My 2009 is rated 8.1 hwy and the 2021 is 7.4 but I have a 55L tank vs the 50L now. Lets just pretend the 2022 get 7.2 hwy.

Leaving 10L in the tank because you don't take chances in the mountains.

2009 = 555 km
2021 = 540 km
2022 = 555 km

Even leaving just 5L in the tank

2009 = 617 km
2021 = 608 km
2022 = 625 km

Add in headwinds, bikes, roof box, horrible traffic, accidents, and it only gets worse. Sure one can take the 407 around GTA but you tend to drive faster (130 vs 120) to drop $40 each way for the convenience.

Yeah I wasn't sure what size tank yours has, so it has a full 5L more, which means the new GTI would have to be 10% more fuel efficient in order to go the same distance.  In that case I don't see the difference being enough for you to even notice.  So if your main goal is distance until having to refuel, the GTI won't be the one to achieve that goal. 

I would however like to see what other options you'd consider that would extend your travels on one tank in a noticeable way.  From what I can gather most vehicles targets are around the same distance traveled per tank, not many left out there that give you the 1,000kms like the old TDI's.

I don't think there are any cars in the GTI/R group that can do it. Going outside that group so far I have found the Camry (4cyl) and Prius Prime.

Camry has a 60L take and is rated 5.7 hwy = 877 km (leaving 10L in the tank) or 964 km (with 5L left).
Even though the PP has a smaller tank it does get better f/e so it should do similar numbers.

[tpl]

I ordered one this morning.    Blue, DSG, no sunroof.

If the ID4 had a known delivery in Canada decision may have been different.  The only dealer for the ID4 around  wasn't sure when they would even get one for people to loo  at and touch let alone buy.

[Triple Bob]

I ordered one this morning.    Blue, DSG, no sunroof.

If the ID4 had a known delivery in Canada decision may have been different.  The only dealer for the ID4 around  wasn't sure when they would even get one for people to loo  at and touch let alone buy.

Congrats!

[dougjp]

I ordered one this morning.    Blue, DSG, no sunroof.

If the ID4 had a known delivery in Canada decision may have been different.  The only dealer for the ID4 around  wasn't sure when they would even get one for people to loo  at and touch let alone buy.

 

[quadzilla]

I ordered one this morning.    Blue, DSG, no sunroof.

If the ID4 had a known delivery in Canada decision may have been different.  The only dealer for the ID4 around  wasn't sure when they would even get one for people to loo  at and touch let alone buy.

Yeah! This makes you the 2nd R owner and the cars aren't even here yet.

[JohnnyMac]

I ordered one this morning.    Blue, DSG, no sunroof.

If the ID4 had a known delivery in Canada decision may have been different.  The only dealer for the ID4 around  wasn't sure when they would even get one for people to loo  at and touch let alone buy.

Congrats man, can't wait to see the show and shine.  I'm assuming this will replace the Volvo?