Topic: 2022 Golf R Mk8

[Dante]

Tiguan has all ingredients of a useful compact SUV except for the engine.
Like it was said before, the Atlas engine would be perfectly fine for this application. Personally, I would really need/want the Tiguan R.

[Serniter]

Tiguan has all ingredients of a useful compact SUV except for the engine.
Like it was said before, the Atlas engine would be perfectly fine for this application. Personally, I would really need/want the Tiguan R.

Would a tune help?

[quadzilla]

Isn't the Tiguan in line with all the other CUV where none of them are fast. It isn't like you would be holding up traffic, unable to pass, or merge into traffic. Fack, with my 169hp Rolla I have no issues getting up to speed, merging, running at 140 when I need to.

Would it be nice if VW made a proper R version, sure, but I don't think enough people really care. Besides, I doubt even one person here would buy it because VW.

[tortoise]

You're right that it's in line with other CUVs, at least the 4cyl optioned ones.  I was surprised to read that it has a similar curb weight to the CX-5. That said, nobody has said the base CUVs are fast.


Still, 3800 lbs is a lot of weight to move with similar power as your Corolla.  Try putting 4 200lb dudes in the Corolla and let me know how it accelerates.

[quadzilla]

Try putting 4 200lb dudes in the Corolla and let me know how it accelerates.

Tried but the trunk is too small. 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Isn't the Tiguan in line with all the other CUV where none of them are fast. It isn't like you would be holding up traffic, unable to pass, or merge into traffic. Fack, with my 169hp Rolla I have no issues getting up to speed, merging, running at 140 when I need to.

Would it be nice if VW made a proper R version, sure, but I don't think enough people really care. Besides, I doubt even one person here would buy it because VW.

Yup.  They're all in the 180-200hp range.  The Rav4 is at the high end, with its 200hp 2.5NA engine.  Mazda is also an outlier, with their optional 2.5T.  BUT, Mazda is unique in that they don't have a 'luxury' brand to support.  The CX-5 Signature with the 2.5T is intended to compete more with the Audi Q5, and their 2.5NA like mine is the volume seller that competes with the Tiguan, CR-V, etc. 

Notice, ALL the manufacturers put their small engines in their mainstream compact CUV's (the 1.5T in the CR-V, the detuned 2.0T in the Tiguan, 4-cylinder in the Rav4), and they reserve the big engines for their more luxurious counterparts (2.0T in the RDX, high output 2.0T in the Q5, V6 in the RX350).

They ALL do it.  The Tiguan is definitely not unique in that regard.  So, you want a more powerful Tiguan?  Get a Q5.  Problem solved.

[tortoise]

Not exactly. Q5 is what, 40% more?

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Not exactly. Q5 is what, 40% more?

You don't think a Tiguan R would approach the Q5?  Plus, a Tiguan Highline is $43k.  A Q5 Komfort is $45k.  That's certainly not a 40% increase.  You can't compare a base model Q5 against a base model Tiguan. 

My point is, VW is certainly not alone in their strategy.  ALL the major car makers do it.

[tortoise]

Fair point. I didn't know the Q5 started so low.

[Dante]

Not exactly. Q5 is what, 40% more?

You don't think a Tiguan R would approach the Q5?  Plus, a Tiguan Highline is $43k.  A Q5 Komfort is $45k.  That's certainly not a 40% increase.  You can't compare a base model Q5 against a base model Tiguan. 

My point is, VW is certainly not alone in their strategy.  ALL the major car makers do it.

I would argue the point that you cannot compare a top trim Tiguan with a base model Q5 because a base model Q5 has many if not most features that top trim Tiguan has plus other non-feature upgrades like material quality.

[Dante]

Tiguan is certainly in line with the competition when it comes to power figures, which is just as blah... as the competition. However that could be better since they have the solution in their portfolio if they would chose to use it.

I fully understand the business reasons why they don't, but just wish they would.

A decade ago when I a had a short stint as amateur car reviewer, I drove an Escape with the 2.0L EcoBoost w/240 hp and I really liked the driving characteristics - I thought it had just the right amount of power to move that car in all situations and made it pretty pleasant to drive.

A Tiguan with similar engine would render similarly pleasant driving experience IMO. Combined with the other high points on the utility and versatility, could put it at the top of the pile in my books.

[Patrick_D1]

Tiguan has had some serious powertrain tuning enhancements since launch. In my opinion the "it needs more power" argument is tired. Would it be nice with more? Sure, but it's more than class competitive while delivering impressive real-world fuel economy and refinement.

As for the Tiguan R, let's just say it's been studied in detail and unfortunately didn't work out for us for a variety of reasons. I agree we could definitely sell quite a few.

[alljay]

Tiguan has had some serious powertrain tuning enhancements since launch. In my opinion the "it needs more power" argument is tired. Would it be nice with more? Sure, but it's more than class competitive while delivering impressive real-world fuel economy and refinement.

I agree.  My wife’s CX-5 with the base 187hp engine drives very well and is fine on the highway. It doesn’t need more power for what it is meant for.  She absolutely loves it.

A Tiguan R would make me think about a cuv.

[tpl]

As I write I have had the R for 24.5 hours.

There will be a Show and Shine. But I am busy tomorrow and then it is going to rain for a week.

[quadzilla]

Congrats! Looking forward to your show and shine.

[Jaeger]

Congrats! Looking forward to your show and shine.

Ditto!

[JamesBuckman]

I wonder which side of the car the problems will start with? The transmission or the engine?

[tpl]

I wonder which side of the car the problems will start with? The transmission or the engine?

My suspicion would be in the software driving the infotainment system.
None of my 5 previous VAG vehicles have had any engine problems. One had a DSG replacement although there was nothing wrong...just a general preventative recall from VW for the early DSGs.



I guess you are not a VW fan.

[quadzilla]

I wonder which side of the car the problems will start with? The transmission or the engine?

My suspicion would be in the software driving the infotainment system.
None of my 5 previous VAG vehicles have had any engine problems. One had a DSG replacement although there was nothing wrong...just a general preventative recall from VW for the early DSGs.



I guess you are not a VW fan.

TPL, don't feed the trolls/spammer. Ten random posts in a roll = spammer/troll.

[Jaeger]

I wonder which side of the car the problems will start with? The transmission or the engine?

My suspicion would be in the software driving the infotainment system.
None of my 5 previous VAG vehicles have had any engine problems. One had a DSG replacement although there was nothing wrong...just a general preventative recall from VW for the early DSGs.



I guess you are not a VW fan.

TPL, don't feed the trolls/spammer. Ten random posts in a roll = spammer/troll.

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