Topic: Mustang Mach-E

[Hannibalsmith]

Agreed Ron, depends on one's priorities.

It sure is the sole Ford product I would, and do consider to buy.

Did you at all consider Tesla stuff? Model 3 or Y. Just curious why you excluded these. While we all know of the build quality issues, Tesla has been around building electric cars for a while, so they are a known commodity, for better or worse.

[Guy]

Yes of course I did. In my case the Model 3, would work but what we see is that the car is not well adapted to harsh winter conditions. Some shops in Quebec now specialize in mods improving the protection against salt and road projections. Paint is the worst in the industry.

Another thing is that the 3 is everywhere now; everybody and it's brother seem to own one. If I drive to my cottage, a 40 minutes drive, I'm sure to see at least 4 or 5 on the road going there. A little exclusivity is nice.

Also I hear that contrary to the way they were at the beginning, Tesla is now very strict on warranty and denies a lot of requests from customers. On that, I'm pretty sure Ford would act similarly however.

But the 3 is still a good car and in milder climate would be a more compelling car.

[Hannibalsmith]

Yes of course I did. In my case the Model 3, would work but what we see is that the car is not well adapted to harsh winter conditions. Some shops in Quebec now specialize in mods improving the protection against salt and road projections. Paint is the worst in the industry.

Another thing is that the 3 is everywhere now; everybody and it's brother seem to own one. If I drive to my cottage, a 40 minutes drive, I'm sure to see at least 4 or 5 on the road going there. A little exclusivity is nice.

Also I hear that contrary to the way they were at the beginning, Tesla is now very strict on warranty and denies a lot of requests from customers. On that, I'm pretty sure Ford would act similarly however.

But the 3 is still a good car and in milder climate would be a more compelling car.

Thanks. Always interested in feedback from actual potential buyers.

[bye]

But the 3 is still a good car and in milder climate would be a more compelling car.

Interesting feedback.   Our Model S is making it's way through it's 7th winter with no ill effects.  Of course, the Model S is made predominantly of aluminum for exterior and frame.   One thing that does bother me about Model 3 is the compromises to meet a price point, whereas our Model S is wearing extremely well and fit/finish is still superior after these many years.   A few stone chips on front hood aside.

[me_2]

FORD E-Probe FTW 

Agreed!

Seems like a solid offering in the EV space.    But the name....  Isn’t everyone just going to end up referring to this as the “Mach-E” and never use “mustang”?  Such an odd decision, my mess with that long earned brand cache for something that seemingly wont benefit at all from such branding?    Maybe it’s just the mustang logo vs the blue oval?

I'm referring to it using Mach-e. May Ford do same move as Hyundai with the Ioniq, an EV lineup only, who knows  ?

[EV Dan]

https://www.motor1.com/news/462049/before-mustang-mach-e-looked-like-this/



 

[Guy]

I prefer the final product. Looking forward to road testing it.

[Guy]

Deliveries have started in Texas.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJYfNmyFMnd/

[bye]

https://autos.yahoo.com/guilty-charged-electrify-america-delivers-153000842.html

the Mustang Mach-E is one impressive EV, one that stands tall against the Tesla Model Y in most competitive measures. But Tesla’s foresight and investment in its own proprietary network remains a key competitive advantage, right up there with its edge in electric efficiency and range.

While I was standing in the rain at Target, twiddling my thumbs, I had ample time to mull that over — and realize that Ford and the rest still have some catching up to do.

^ this experience is telling.   Our Tesla Model S charges slower in cold weather, sometimes as low as 50 kW, but for the most part, I arrive with a warm battery by using Tesla feature to navigate to supercharger which does automatic preconditioning.  My most recent supercharges in cold weather were 88 kW peak, 60 kW average over 30 minutes.   Whereas the Ford didn't get anywhere near that.   8 years later...

[Guy]

A Tesla electric powertrain and electronics in a Volvo or most other traditional OEM would be the perfect EV.

[EV-Light]

https://autos.yahoo.com/guilty-charged-electrify-america-delivers-153000842.html

the Mustang Mach-E is one impressive EV, one that stands tall against the Tesla Model Y in most competitive measures. But Tesla’s foresight and investment in its own proprietary network remains a key competitive advantage, right up there with its edge in electric efficiency and range.

While I was standing in the rain at Target, twiddling my thumbs, I had ample time to mull that over — and realize that Ford and the rest still have some catching up to do.

^ this experience is telling.   Our Tesla Model S charges slower in cold weather, sometimes as low as 50 kW, but for the most part, I arrive with a warm battery by using Tesla feature to navigate to supercharger which does automatic preconditioning.  My most recent supercharges in cold weather were 88 kW peak, 60 kW average over 30 minutes.   Whereas the Ford didn't get anywhere near that.   8 years later...

Sounds terrible either way...it’s -16 here today, I filled my truck up in 4min...come talk to me when I can do that with a BEV.


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[Triple Bob]

https://autos.yahoo.com/guilty-charged-electrify-america-delivers-153000842.html

the Mustang Mach-E is one impressive EV, one that stands tall against the Tesla Model Y in most competitive measures. But Tesla’s foresight and investment in its own proprietary network remains a key competitive advantage, right up there with its edge in electric efficiency and range.

While I was standing in the rain at Target, twiddling my thumbs, I had ample time to mull that over — and realize that Ford and the rest still have some catching up to do.

^ this experience is telling.   Our Tesla Model S charges slower in cold weather, sometimes as low as 50 kW, but for the most part, I arrive with a warm battery by using Tesla feature to navigate to supercharger which does automatic preconditioning.  My most recent supercharges in cold weather were 88 kW peak, 60 kW average over 30 minutes.   Whereas the Ford didn't get anywhere near that.   8 years later...

Sounds terrible either way...it’s -16 here today, I filled my truck up in 4min...come talk to me when I can do that with a BEV.


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For 95%+ of journeys there is no need. Come talk to me when you actually buy a V8 Mustang.

[EV-Light]

https://autos.yahoo.com/guilty-charged-electrify-america-delivers-153000842.html

the Mustang Mach-E is one impressive EV, one that stands tall against the Tesla Model Y in most competitive measures. But Tesla’s foresight and investment in its own proprietary network remains a key competitive advantage, right up there with its edge in electric efficiency and range.

While I was standing in the rain at Target, twiddling my thumbs, I had ample time to mull that over — and realize that Ford and the rest still have some catching up to do.

^ this experience is telling.   Our Tesla Model S charges slower in cold weather, sometimes as low as 50 kW, but for the most part, I arrive with a warm battery by using Tesla feature to navigate to supercharger which does automatic preconditioning.  My most recent supercharges in cold weather were 88 kW peak, 60 kW average over 30 minutes.   Whereas the Ford didn't get anywhere near that.   8 years later...

Sounds terrible either way...it’s -16 here today, I filled my truck up in 4min...come talk to me when I can do that with a BEV.


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For 95%+ of journeys there is no need. Come talk to me when you actually buy a V8 Mustang.

Triple bob, I will come talk to you when EVs can charge in 4min [emoji28][emoji28]


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[Guy]

In 14 months with a first gen Leaf with 135 km range on a good day I used fast chargers a grand total of 3 times. On the 3 occasions I was doing something else while the car was charging. All the other recharges were done at home overnight while sleeping.

Come talk to me when you can fill up your truck while sleeping. 

[EV Dan]

https://autos.yahoo.com/guilty-charged-electrify-america-delivers-153000842.html

the Mustang Mach-E is one impressive EV, one that stands tall against the Tesla Model Y in most competitive measures. But Tesla’s foresight and investment in its own proprietary network remains a key competitive advantage, right up there with its edge in electric efficiency and range.

While I was standing in the rain at Target, twiddling my thumbs, I had ample time to mull that over — and realize that Ford and the rest still have some catching up to do.

^ this experience is telling.   Our Tesla Model S charges slower in cold weather, sometimes as low as 50 kW, but for the most part, I arrive with a warm battery by using Tesla feature to navigate to supercharger which does automatic preconditioning.  My most recent supercharges in cold weather were 88 kW peak, 60 kW average over 30 minutes.   Whereas the Ford didn't get anywhere near that.   8 years later...

Sounds terrible either way...it’s -16 here today, I filled my truck up in 4min...come talk to me when I can do that with a BEV.

That's like $30 bucks a minute 
An EV will likely take 10 sec to plug in and 10 sec to unplug in the convenience of one's garage, in above zero temps. Not having to touch dirty nozzles is another plus in our times.

[JayStack]

Can't fill your truck overnight while you sleep and start each day with a full tank for pennies.  EVs have tons of issues to be resolved before they replace ICE vehicles and charge times for distance travelling is one of them, but it's coming.  It's possible to live in Bumbledefuck Sask and use an EV with 400km of range for 99% of trips.

[EV-Light]

https://autos.yahoo.com/guilty-charged-electrify-america-delivers-153000842.html

the Mustang Mach-E is one impressive EV, one that stands tall against the Tesla Model Y in most competitive measures. But Tesla’s foresight and investment in its own proprietary network remains a key competitive advantage, right up there with its edge in electric efficiency and range.

While I was standing in the rain at Target, twiddling my thumbs, I had ample time to mull that over — and realize that Ford and the rest still have some catching up to do.

^ this experience is telling.   Our Tesla Model S charges slower in cold weather, sometimes as low as 50 kW, but for the most part, I arrive with a warm battery by using Tesla feature to navigate to supercharger which does automatic preconditioning.  My most recent supercharges in cold weather were 88 kW peak, 60 kW average over 30 minutes.   Whereas the Ford didn't get anywhere near that.   8 years later...

Sounds terrible either way...it’s -16 here today, I filled my truck up in 4min...come talk to me when I can do that with a BEV.

That's like $30 bucks a minute 
An EV will likely take 10 sec to plug in and 10 sec to unplug in the convenience of one's garage, in above zero temps. Not having to touch dirty nozzles is another plus in our times.

I am out at the cabin, no EV charging point here - the closest outlet is about 300 meters away....and it’s cold, your EV would have no range when it’s time to leave on the 2nd...


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[EV Dan]

https://autos.yahoo.com/guilty-charged-electrify-america-delivers-153000842.html

the Mustang Mach-E is one impressive EV, one that stands tall against the Tesla Model Y in most competitive measures. But Tesla’s foresight and investment in its own proprietary network remains a key competitive advantage, right up there with its edge in electric efficiency and range.

While I was standing in the rain at Target, twiddling my thumbs, I had ample time to mull that over — and realize that Ford and the rest still have some catching up to do.

^ this experience is telling.   Our Tesla Model S charges slower in cold weather, sometimes as low as 50 kW, but for the most part, I arrive with a warm battery by using Tesla feature to navigate to supercharger which does automatic preconditioning.  My most recent supercharges in cold weather were 88 kW peak, 60 kW average over 30 minutes.   Whereas the Ford didn't get anywhere near that.   8 years later...

Sounds terrible either way...it’s -16 here today, I filled my truck up in 4min...come talk to me when I can do that with a BEV.

That's like $30 bucks a minute 
An EV will likely take 10 sec to plug in and 10 sec to unplug in the convenience of one's garage, in above zero temps. Not having to touch dirty nozzles is another plus in our times.

I am out at the cabin, no EV charging point here - the closest outlet is about 300 meters away....and it’s cold, your EV would have no range when it’s time to leave on the 2nd...

If you have electricity you can charge and pre-condition everything at 110V, if I'm not mistaken, and if so EV owners will correct me here.

[JayStack]

Not many Canadians in 2020 live in a cabin without electricity in the middle of nowhere.  If you do, don't buy an EV.  Fuckmylifethatwaseasy.

BUT IT WON'T WORK FOR ME SO IT WON'T WORK AT ALL BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD

[EV-Light]

Not many Canadians in 2020 live in a cabin without electricity in the middle of nowhere.  If you do, don't buy an EV.  Fuckmylifethatwaseasy.

BUT IT WON'T WORK FOR ME SO IT WON'T WORK AT ALL BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD

Hmm I am spending New Years at the cabin, I park, unload and leave my vehicle there till it’s time to go home - tons of Canadians do the same every year....my truck will be parked for 6 days @freezing temperature.

If you take my situation and expands to people that don’t have a garage or live in condos where EV chargers can’t be easily installed and you have what - 50%? 60%? Of Canadians that can’t have a BEV...

So come back when EV is actually viable and I am able to do that...


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