Topic: 2022 Honda Civic

[Blueprint]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

[JohnnyMac]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Well the price is definitely quite the increase from the previous Si, but that's in line with the entire Civic lineup.  My money would be going either VW GLI/GTI or the Hyundai Elantra N line if I wanted to save money.  I just no longer see the value there at Honda, and their performance has just stagnated with the Si.

[OliverD]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

[Blueprint]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

[KD]

SG review of the 6-sp manual hatch is pretty glowing....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaDo8WwT1VE

[JohnnyMac]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

Early reports have the Si handling like a slightly less Type R.  Some commentary suggests that is handles noticeably better than the VW's.  The interior of the Civic is certainly nicer and no question its shifter will be better.

The interior is subjective, I would say the VW interiors are better, especially my GLI.  Handles like a less Type R, let's wait for the numbers to confirm this.  A lot of journalists like to exaggerate how good a vehicle is when it first comes out.  The shifter in the old one wasn't good, so unless they drastically improved it I doubt it's as good as the ones in VW.

[Blueprint]

Previous gen, I drove a Touring sedan (1.5t CVT), an EX sedan (2.0 CVT) and a Touring 5-door (1.5t CVT). The last one had sublime steering, pretty good suspension tuning but I found it lacking in power - like the CVT was filtering out the horses. Sadly, no experience with the sportier trims. MkVII GTI with DSG was way above these three, that's for sure. Next tester: '22 Veloster N.

[valuator]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

For sure, and when you factor in that I am subjected to quite possible the world's worst Honda dealership....I wouldn't give this one a moment's thought.  Transportation appliance = Corolla, fun to drive = GTI.

[tortoise]

I think it comes down to your wants.   

If you're after something to tear up twisty back roads the Civic Si has to be the better option. 

If more of your driving is highway, particularly two lanes where you need to pass, the GLI makes more sense.

[z973]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

Voici le détail des prix (incluant les frais de transport et préparation):

Volkswagen Jetta Trendline 2022 – 24 345 $
Volkswagen Jetta Comfortline 2022 – 27 345 $
Volkswagen Jetta Highline 2022 – 31 345 $

https://rpmweb.ca/fr/actualites/nouvelles/la-volkswagen-jetta-2022-offerte-a-partir-de-24-345
Volkswagen Jetta GLI 2022 – 33 345 $

[Blueprint]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

Voici le détail des prix (incluant les frais de transport et préparation):

Volkswagen Jetta Trendline 2022 – 24 345 $
Volkswagen Jetta Comfortline 2022 – 27 345 $
Volkswagen Jetta Highline 2022 – 31 345 $

https://rpmweb.ca/fr/actualites/nouvelles/la-volkswagen-jetta-2022-offerte-a-partir-de-24-345
Volkswagen Jetta GLI 2022 – 33 345 $

PDI is included in these prices.

[z973]

so the 2022  GLI is 31595+1700
the Civic SI is 1555$ more with less HP and less equipment

[z973]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

Voici le détail des prix (incluant les frais de transport et préparation):

Volkswagen Jetta Trendline 2022 – 24 345 $
Volkswagen Jetta Comfortline 2022 – 27 345 $
Volkswagen Jetta Highline 2022 – 31 345 $

https://rpmweb.ca/fr/actualites/nouvelles/la-volkswagen-jetta-2022-offerte-a-partir-de-24-345
Volkswagen Jetta GLI 2022 – 33 345 $

PDI is included in these prices.

yes in Quebec its mandatory to include PDI

[JohnnyMac]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

Early reports have the Si handling like a slightly less Type R.  Some commentary suggests that is handles noticeably better than the VW's.  The interior of the Civic is certainly nicer and no question its shifter will be better.

It's funny, since you had your bad experience with your Golf R you really like to state how everything that they compete with is superior.

You can't be serious.  I was the one that was horned up about the MK8 Golf R and have posted numerous threads.  In fact, I almost bought one.  Again.

Ditto the GTI Clubsport.

Don't be so self righteous.  The interior on the new Civic is comparable to the Mazda 3 now.  The Jetta isn't.

I apologize for my previous remark, I read some of your Golf R comments and you indeed were very positive of it.  I can admit when I am wrong and I hope you can accept my apology.  I also deleted that part of my post.

I'm still sceptical of the new Civic in any form being worth the price.  I do think it's a good vehicle and I too like the interior, but it seems the prices have gone beyond the value proposition, where as VW has done a much better job of pricing their performance cars.

[dougjp]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

Early reports have the Si handling like a slightly less Type R.  Some commentary suggests that is handles noticeably better than the VW's.  The interior of the Civic is certainly nicer and no question its shifter will be better.

It's funny, since you had your bad experience with your Golf R you really like to state how everything that they compete with is superior.

You can't be serious.  I was the one that was horned up about the MK8 Golf R and have posted numerous threads.  In fact, I almost bought one.  Again.

Ditto the GTI Clubsport.

Don't be so self righteous.  The interior on the new Civic is comparable to the Mazda 3 now.  The Jetta isn't.

I apologize for my previous remark, I read some of your Golf R comments and you indeed were very positive of it.  I can admit when I am wrong and I hope you can accept my apology.  I also deleted that part of my post.

I'm still sceptical of the new Civic in any form being worth the price.  I do think it's a good vehicle and I too like the interior, but it seems the prices have gone beyond the value proposition, where as VW has done a much better job of pricing their performance cars.

I appreciate it.  We normally have good discussions but we went off the rails momentarily.

I think the 1.5T sucks and they should have put the Accord 2.0T in it.  If it is a handling darling, however, that may be interesting.

Plus 1 to that great idea! They could even give an option of a (real) 10 speed auto and a manual. But it won't happen. Perhaps the Acura Integra, but not Honda.

Having owned basically the equivalent motor and size of car (Hyundai Elantra Sport 1.6T, same HP and torque and weight +/-) before getting the GLI, I don't think they are in a comparable class. Perhaps if Honda said they put in a ton of sound deadening as noise was an equivalent problem in the previous Si and Elantra.

[JohnnyMac]

Debate in the C/D comments on all the extras Canadians get on the new Si vs the US-spec model. 'Muricans don't get heated seats, heated wheel and lots of other stuff. I should tell them their lighter cars are faster 

Has the price come out yet for Canada?

Yes, $33,150 + $1,700 pdi

Oof. No way I'd pay that much when a base GTI + sunroof and wheels package is effectively the same price.

A GLI is even less, although pricing for 2022 isn't out yet.

Early reports have the Si handling like a slightly less Type R.  Some commentary suggests that is handles noticeably better than the VW's.  The interior of the Civic is certainly nicer and no question its shifter will be better.

It's funny, since you had your bad experience with your Golf R you really like to state how everything that they compete with is superior.

You can't be serious.  I was the one that was horned up about the MK8 Golf R and have posted numerous threads.  In fact, I almost bought one.  Again.

Ditto the GTI Clubsport.

Don't be so self righteous.  The interior on the new Civic is comparable to the Mazda 3 now.  The Jetta isn't.

I apologize for my previous remark, I read some of your Golf R comments and you indeed were very positive of it.  I can admit when I am wrong and I hope you can accept my apology.  I also deleted that part of my post.

I'm still sceptical of the new Civic in any form being worth the price.  I do think it's a good vehicle and I too like the interior, but it seems the prices have gone beyond the value proposition, where as VW has done a much better job of pricing their performance cars.

I appreciate it.  We normally have good discussions but we went off the rails momentarily.

I think the 1.5T sucks and they should have put the Accord 2.0T in it.  If it is a handling darling, however, that may be interesting.

Yes we do normally have good discussions and 100% on me for taking it off road there for a minute.  Happy we can move on from that.

The Civic is being reviewed really well, but the exterior design is a step back to me, they have yet to impress me with their powertrains, and the price increase just seems like the last straw.  I'm still uncertain if they have worked all the issues out of the 1.5T and I agree that they should have put the 2.0T in the Si, that would have made the price increase a little easier to swallow.

[Jaeger]

Gotta admit - I'm warming to the Si.  The fog lights and rear spoiler just lift it ever so slighty in the aesthetics department.  Shifter is a dream, and with the LSD, it doesn't suffer from the massive front wheel hop that plagues the GTI.  Or the grope-and-hope haptic controls. More than enough usable power for the street, and more than enough people and cargo space for my needs.

Straight Pipes liked it a bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO1D11U-YyA

[JohnnyMac]

Gotta admit - I'm warming to the Si.  The fog lights and rear spoiler just lift it ever so slighty in the aesthetics department.  Shifter is a dream, and with the LSD, it doesn't suffer from the massive front wheel hop that plagues the GTI.  Or the grope-and-hope haptic controls. More than enough usable power for the street, and more than enough people and cargo space for my needs.

Straight Pipes liked it a bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO1D11U-YyA

It's great to have choice, I'd likely go with the Elantra N or maybe the upcoming WRX.  I just can't get warmed up to the new Civic.

[Jaeger]

I remember in the late 1990's driving an Integra GSR and thinking that it may have the best shifter and clutch combination ever.  So natural and so much fun.  It seems that Straight Pipes suggests that this is similar which is definitely appealing!

And it's not just them - there has been a fair bit of unrestrained gushing over the shifter in the Si from a number of reviewers.

[Jaeger]

Gotta admit - I'm warming to the Si.  The fog lights and rear spoiler just lift it ever so slighty in the aesthetics department.  Shifter is a dream, and with the LSD, it doesn't suffer from the massive front wheel hop that plagues the GTI.  Or the grope-and-hope haptic controls. More than enough usable power for the street, and more than enough people and cargo space for my needs.

Straight Pipes liked it a bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO1D11U-YyA

It's great to have choice, I'd likely go with the Elantra N or maybe the upcoming WRX.  I just can't get warmed up to the new Civic.

Oh I get that - I can't say the styling of the new Civic gives me the feels.  It's not offensive, though - which the front end of the Elantra N approaches.  Also, not being a teenager, the endless pops and cracks and crackles and farts from the Elantra N would get pretty old for me pretty quickly.  GLI, Civic Si, (upcoming) Integra - these are all cars I could see myself owning and enjoying, though none are perfect.