Topic: 2022 Honda Civic

[dirtyjeffer]

i don't mind the looks, but nothing really stands out and makes me want one though.

[Serniter]

Exterior looks pleasant. Interior looks inspired by Audi/VW (good thing). Improved structurally (more rigidity, etc.). Was hoping for updates to the engine considering oil dilution issues. I am curious to see how it drives.

[Seafoam]

I'm impressed with what comes standard on the base LX, such as heated front seats and auto climate. Of course, all the safety junk is bundled in but honestly, seeing how ppl drive, it may not be the worst idea. Oh, and it's great port injection is back!

Port injection ? Are you referring to the 2 litre base engine. It was always port injected.

Now the 1.5 that is a different story.

[EV Dan]

I'm impressed with what comes standard on the base LX, such as heated front seats and auto climate. Of course, all the safety junk is bundled in but honestly, seeing how ppl drive, it may not be the worst idea. Oh, and it's great port injection is back!

Port injection ? Are you referring to the 2 litre base engine. It was always port injected.

Now the 1.5 that is a different story.

Here I was referring to port injection as a trend. It seems not that long ago every MFG was jumping on the GDI bandwagon and was ecstatic about it. So it's just good to see port injection coming back in newly released cars. Since we're on this topic, besides Toyota, who else uses dual injection in their base, mass produced engines? 

[warp]

The back end looks like a copy of the current VW Jetta. The bad news is that the CVTs have taken over completely. We had 2 leased Civics, a 2016 LX and a 2017 Touring. Replaced the 2016 LX with a 2020 VW Jetta Highline last year and replaced the 2017 Touring with a 2021 VW GTI Mk 7.5 a few days ago. I wanted a GLI but they are totally out of stock in Ontario and Quebec. I suspect the next deliveries of the Jetta will be the 2022 model year vehicles. The Civic which was a car with some personality  in decades past is now just meh... Honda must give the Civic Si an automatic/DSG option. I don't know why Honda cannot give the option of the 10 speed unit found in the Accord. And the oil dilution issue with the 1.5 liter turbo while it did not impact me personally created uncertainty about the engine's reliability. The 1.5 liter engine is good on power and I suspect that it under-rated in it's Civic iteration of 174 hp but mating it to the CVT just kills the whole experience, the droning and the engine just sounds unpleasant. So I am glad I did not wait for the new Civic. 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

The back end looks like a copy of the current VW Jetta. The bad news is that the CVTs have taken over completely. We had 2 leased Civics, a 2016 LX and a 2017 Touring. Replaced the 2016 LX with a 2020 VW Jetta Highline last year and replaced the 2017 Touring with a 2021 VW GTI Mk 7.5 a few days ago. I wanted a GLI but they are totally out of stock in Ontario and Quebec. I suspect the next deliveries of the Jetta will be the 2022 model year vehicles. The Civic which was a car with some personality  in decades past is now just meh... Honda must give the Civic Si an automatic/DSG option. I don't know why Honda cannot give the option of the 10 speed unit found in the Accord. And the oil dilution issue with the 1.5 liter turbo while it did not impact me personally created uncertainty about the engine's reliability. The 1.5 liter engine is good on power and I suspect that it under-rated in it's Civic iteration of 174 hp but mating it to the CVT just kills the whole experience, the droning and the engine just sounds unpleasant. So I am glad I did not wait for the new Civic.

If I was looking at a Civic, the only way I'd consider it would be 2.0NA with a manual.  From the sounds of manual might not even be offered? 

Oh Well.  I think the Mazda3 is still the one to get in this segment anyway. 

[Ontariodriver]

The back end looks like a copy of the current VW Jetta. The bad news is that the CVTs have taken over completely. We had 2 leased Civics, a 2016 LX and a 2017 Touring. Replaced the 2016 LX with a 2020 VW Jetta Highline last year and replaced the 2017 Touring with a 2021 VW GTI Mk 7.5 a few days ago. I wanted a GLI but they are totally out of stock in Ontario and Quebec. I suspect the next deliveries of the Jetta will be the 2022 model year vehicles. The Civic which was a car with some personality  in decades past is now just meh... Honda must give the Civic Si an automatic/DSG option. I don't know why Honda cannot give the option of the 10 speed unit found in the Accord. And the oil dilution issue with the 1.5 liter turbo while it did not impact me personally created uncertainty about the engine's reliability. The 1.5 liter engine is good on power and I suspect that it under-rated in it's Civic iteration of 174 hp but mating it to the CVT just kills the whole experience, the droning and the engine just sounds unpleasant. So I am glad I did not wait for the new Civic.

If I was looking at a Civic, the only way I'd consider it would be 2.0NA with a manual.  From the sounds of manual might not even be offered? 

Oh Well.  I think the Mazda3 is still the one to get in this segment anyway.

Manual in the Hatch, SI, and Type R.

Apparently, that  CVT, is one of the best on the market for how it responds to the throttle input from the driver.

[warp]

The back end looks like a copy of the current VW Jetta. The bad news is that the CVTs have taken over completely. We had 2 leased Civics, a 2016 LX and a 2017 Touring. Replaced the 2016 LX with a 2020 VW Jetta Highline last year and replaced the 2017 Touring with a 2021 VW GTI Mk 7.5 a few days ago. I wanted a GLI but they are totally out of stock in Ontario and Quebec. I suspect the next deliveries of the Jetta will be the 2022 model year vehicles. The Civic which was a car with some personality  in decades past is now just meh... Honda must give the Civic Si an automatic/DSG option. I don't know why Honda cannot give the option of the 10 speed unit found in the Accord. And the oil dilution issue with the 1.5 liter turbo while it did not impact me personally created uncertainty about the engine's reliability. The 1.5 liter engine is good on power and I suspect that it under-rated in it's Civic iteration of 174 hp but mating it to the CVT just kills the whole experience, the droning and the engine just sounds unpleasant. So I am glad I did not wait for the new Civic.

If I was looking at a Civic, the only way I'd consider it would be 2.0NA with a manual.  From the sounds of manual might not even be offered? 

Oh Well.  I think the Mazda3 is still the one to get in this segment anyway.

Manual in the Hatch, SI, and Type R.

Apparently, that  CVT, is one of the best on the market for how it responds to the throttle input from the driver.

I personally found the Honda CVT a better fit with the NA 2.0 liter in the Civic LX. Something about the un-pleasant noise even at relatively low revs in the 1.5 liter turbo make it an off putting experience. The same engine/CVT combo in the Accord was a much better experience although in my case it was limited to a test drive when I was exploring the Accord as an option in 2017 - ultimately decided on the Civic Touring. I wonder if the sound insulation in the Accord is better? With the NA 2.0 liter found in the Civic LX the engine note and timbre is better suited to the typical CVT characteristic of holding RPMs constant while vehicle speed builds up, much less intrusive and far better sounding. And yes, even in terms of throttle response the CVT seemed to perform better with the 2.0 liter NA engine vs the 1.5 liter turbo or maybe the un-pleasant sounds coming from the engine made it seem that I was waiting forever for the engine to respond

[PJungnitsch]

How are the Honda CVT's holding up generally? I don't mind the way they drive, but when I was digging into HRV's I ran into too many stories of their CVT's going boom in a Nissan kind of way

[warp]

How are the Honda CVT's holding up generally? I don't mind the way they drive, but when I was digging into HRV's I ran into too many stories of their CVT's going boom in a Nissan kind of way

No CVT issues with either of the two Civics we had in the 4 years, but then neither vehicle did more than 25,000 kms each during their entire 4 year lease period. So I have no idea how well they will hold up over a longer period or with higher mileage.

Also, are CVTs repairable and/or how is the market in general for getting used CVTs to replace your unit if it does go boom...

[Jaeger]

High dosage visual Valium.

[Seafoam]

How are the Honda CVT's holding up generally? I don't mind the way they drive, but when I was digging into HRV's I ran into too many stories of their CVT's going boom in a Nissan kind of way

No CVT issues with either of the two Civics we had in the 4 years, but then neither vehicle did more than 25,000 kms each during their entire 4 year lease period. So I have no idea how well they will hold up over a longer period or with higher mileage.

Also, are CVTs repairable and/or how is the market in general for getting used CVTs to replace your unit if it does go boom...

From the bit of reading I have been doing it says you should keep up  the maintenance on the CVT. Apparently you should change the fluid often.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

How are the Honda CVT's holding up generally? I don't mind the way they drive, but when I was digging into HRV's I ran into too many stories of their CVT's going boom in a Nissan kind of way

No CVT issues with either of the two Civics we had in the 4 years, but then neither vehicle did more than 25,000 kms each during their entire 4 year lease period. So I have no idea how well they will hold up over a longer period or with higher mileage.

Also, are CVTs repairable and/or how is the market in general for getting used CVTs to replace your unit if it does go boom...

From the bit of reading I have been doing it says you should keep up  the maintenance on the CVT. Apparently you should change the fluid often.

CVT fluid is expensive, too.  Cost me $400 to do a CVT service on my Altima at a Nissan dealership.  I think most of that was the fluid itself.

[JohnnyMac]

How are the Honda CVT's holding up generally? I don't mind the way they drive, but when I was digging into HRV's I ran into too many stories of their CVT's going boom in a Nissan kind of way

No CVT issues with either of the two Civics we had in the 4 years, but then neither vehicle did more than 25,000 kms each during their entire 4 year lease period. So I have no idea how well they will hold up over a longer period or with higher mileage.

Also, are CVTs repairable and/or how is the market in general for getting used CVTs to replace your unit if it does go boom...

From the bit of reading I have been doing it says you should keep up  the maintenance on the CVT. Apparently you should change the fluid often.

CVT fluid is expensive, too.  Cost me $400 to do a CVT service on my Altima at a Nissan dealership.  I think most of that was the fluid itself.

I wonder if the price has come down because of how common CVTs are nowadays.  Just looked up how much the fluid is for our RAV4 Hybrid with a CVT on Rockauto.  Looks like $40 for 5 litres, that’s not too bad, but don’t know how much it would take.

[Seafoam]

^^ just did a quick search for Honda CVT fluid . About 25 dollars a litre.

I performed a couple of drain and fills on my Civic with the 5speed automatic .The price escapes me now but I don't think  it was that much.

Apparently it should be changed at 40,000 km intervals . https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/cvt-fluid-change.10395/#:~:text=The%20only%20thing%20I%20found,change%20it%20every%2025%2C000%20miles.

That doesn't seem too bad as long as the tranny holds together.

[EV Dan]

How are the Honda CVT's holding up generally? I don't mind the way they drive, but when I was digging into HRV's I ran into too many stories of their CVT's going boom in a Nissan kind of way

No CVT issues with either of the two Civics we had in the 4 years, but then neither vehicle did more than 25,000 kms each during their entire 4 year lease period. So I have no idea how well they will hold up over a longer period or with higher mileage.

Also, are CVTs repairable and/or how is the market in general for getting used CVTs to replace your unit if it does go boom...

From the bit of reading I have been doing it says you should keep up  the maintenance on the CVT. Apparently you should change the fluid often.

CVT fluid is expensive, too.  Cost me $400 to do a CVT service on my Altima at a Nissan dealership.  I think most of that was the fluid itself.

I wonder if the price has come down because of how common CVTs are nowadays.  Just looked up how much the fluid is for our RAV4 Hybrid with a CVT on Rockauto.  Looks like $40 for 5 litres, that’s not too bad, but don’t know how much it would take.

Toyota's Hybrid "CVTs" are not really CVTs in a sense they are mechanically very different from what is used in non-hybrid CVT cars. In any case, IMHO it's not a good idea to cheap out and use an aftermarket fluid no matter how inexpensive it may be.
https://www.amazon.ca/Toyota-00289-ATFWS-Automatic-Transmission-Ounces/dp/B07BZ2HZ6W
Lots of guides online on how to replace it, much easier in Toyota hybrids than most other trannies:
https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=105542.0

[Ontariodriver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNs16syGNM

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[warp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNs16syGNM

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Carryover engines, carryover CVT. So the Civic is now a more refined version of the Nissan Sentra, the Hyundai Elantra and the Kia Forte, all of which are qualitatively inferior versions of the Toyota Corolla which is a FWD version of the AWD Subaru. All designed and engineered to the Lowest Common Denominator.

[Ontariodriver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNs16syGNM

video preview.

Carryover engines, carryover CVT. So the Civic is now a more refined version of the Nissan Sentra, the Hyundai Elantra and the Kia Forte, all of which are qualitatively inferior versions of the Toyota Corolla which is a FWD version of the AWD Subaru. All designed and engineered to the Lowest Common Denominator.

It's a business model that works, and has work for Honda for the last 14 years. It is really what the majority really wants, which is trouble free motoring at decent lease price. Nout wrong with that. 

[warp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNs16syGNM

video preview.

Carryover engines, carryover CVT. So the Civic is now a more refined version of the Nissan Sentra, the Hyundai Elantra and the Kia Forte, all of which are qualitatively inferior versions of the Toyota Corolla which is a FWD version of the AWD Subaru. All designed and engineered to the Lowest Common Denominator.

It's a business model that works, and has work for Honda for the last 14 years. It is really what the majority really wants, which is trouble free motoring at decent lease price. Nout wrong with that.

For the average consumer brand loyalty is largely a function of reliability and here Honda is on solid footing despite some mishaps over the last few years. For the enthusiast, brand loyalty is also a function of some leading edge driving characteristic or function or technology or all of them and this respect Honda has morphed into into any of the other Japanese or Korean automakers. We have leased/owned 3 Accords and 2 Civics over the last 20 some years. And now for the first time in the last 2 decades there is no Honda vehicle with us. The 1998 top spec Accord that I had with the 5 speed manual was head and shoulders above the meh competition such as the Camry or the pre 2002 Nissan Altima. The current Accord is lost in that sea of mediocrity with the caveat that the drivetrain for the 2 liter Accord even the 10 speed is not bad, it is let down by it's size and styling. But hey, as you said it seems to be working for Honda so far, overall brand loyalty is still strong.

The clearest indication that enthusiasts are a dwindling minority in the car buying universe is the lemming like rush towards generic CUVs.