Author Topic: Dkaz's yet another prolonged tow vehicle buying adventure  (Read 14155 times)

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2020, 10:32:58 pm »
I guess another question is, if you are going to spend 40 grand, why not get a Tacoma?

If you decide a truck is not for you, likely you will be taking a bath getting out of the Ranger

This. 2020 has a power drivers seat now. Plus resale.
I dunno....has the Tacoma changed appreciably in the last several years enough to make buying a new one the smart buy?
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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2020, 11:32:22 pm »
While I like Tacomas I think it's fallen far behind. My money would go for a Colorado or Ridgeline.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/colorado/2019/chevrolet-colorado-ford-ranger-honda-ridgeline-toyota-tacoma-comparison/

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2020, 11:34:45 pm »
You guys are supposed to discourage me dammit! Fiscal responsibility! We only buy used previously depreciated vehicles! What is this, a forum of enablers?

Don't do it!  How's that?
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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2020, 11:35:24 pm »
Are y'all forgetting the part where he needs to tow a 26', 6000lb trailer?

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2020, 12:04:56 am »
Are y'all forgetting the part where he needs to tow a 26', 6000lb trailer?

Yup. Minimum half ton and maybe more. He went through all this with the Sequoia... I would personally sell the trailer and invest in a hammock.


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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2020, 12:05:10 am »
Are y'all forgetting the part where he needs to tow a 26', 6000lb trailer?

Yeah anything above 4500-5000lb id go half ton. 

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2020, 12:08:42 am »
Are y'all forgetting the part where he needs to tow a 26', 6000lb trailer?
yea, i'd pass on the Ranger.

if you want new, and want to spend $40k, get one of these instead:

https://www.oakridgeford.com/new/ford/f-150/2020-black-xlt-17400450.html

2020 F150 XLT, 4x4, 2.7EB - $38,601...yes, you add tax, but it's still in the same ballpark as that Ranger in terms of price, but is also a 2020 and is a lot more capable.
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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2020, 12:13:30 am »
scooter to a F150. DKaz bounces around a lot.

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2020, 12:20:38 am »
Those small engines in the f150 scares me in the long-term. 

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2020, 12:31:33 am »
Mass is a big part of it, for sure.

I know a few who have moved up to a 3/4 ton just to avoid ‘tail wagging the dog’ situations

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2020, 12:31:46 am »
Those small engines in the f150 scares me in the long-term.
the 2.7EB seems to be a pretty decent engine...it is well suited for regular people use...if you are using it as a shop truck, or do tons of towing, other engines are available too...i think the 3.5EB is about $1k more and the 5.0L V8 is about $1500 more?

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2020, 02:46:13 am »
I’m definitely not spending $40k on a base model truck, that’s out of the question. I’d go for 02-09 GM for a fraction of the price. $40k, it better be a modern vehicle with the latest and greatest safety features.

This guy tows a 5500 lb 24 footer with his Ranger just fine. Can’t even see squat.



Anyway I think I’ve somewhat talked myself out of it. If I still want one in a year, these dealerships will have a bunch of 20s to clear out. I like my trailer so it stays. I have a friend who just started a dealership on the lookout for something for me but he says a lot of trucks and SUVs are heading south.

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2020, 02:54:14 am »
I guess another question is, if you are going to spend 40 grand, why not get a Tacoma?

If you decide a truck is not for you, likely you will be taking a bath getting out of the Ranger

This. 2020 has a power drivers seat now. Plus resale.
I dunno....has the Tacoma changed appreciably in the last several years enough to make buying a new one the smart buy?

1150 lb payload is not enough for anything.

Are y'all forgetting the part where he needs to tow a 26', 6000lb trailer?

4600 lb unloaded, typically 5200-5500 lb loaded.

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2020, 08:08:22 am »
Why not send a PM to Revelations & see what he could pick up for you at auction? Make a deal where he makes a few dollars on the transaction & you get a good price on a used truck that would suit your towing needs better? You're both in BC now, practically neighbor's, lol!!

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2020, 08:52:45 am »
Why not send a PM to Revelations & see what he could pick up for you at auction? Make a deal where he makes a few dollars on the transaction & you get a good price on a used truck that would suit your towing needs better? You're both in BC now, practically neighbor's, lol!!
great idea...he's a champ at finding gems...he'll likely find a mint 15 year old vehicle, for $2500 that does everything you want.

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2020, 12:55:25 pm »


This guy tows a 5500 lb 24 footer with his Ranger just fine. Can’t even see squat.





That looks like an accident waiting to happen.


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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2020, 01:13:39 pm »


This guy tows a 5500 lb 24 footer with his Ranger just fine. Can’t even see squat.





That looks like an accident waiting to happen.

Yeah, it's one thing pulling a max-load trailer when it is something relatively compact like that 10 000lb dump trailer I was pulling 3 weeks ago.  In that instance, my truck was only fighting the mass of the trailer when it came to accelerating, braking, and driving in a straight line or going around a corner. 

It's a completely different experience when you're pulling a 24'-26' travel trailer, though.  The amount of surface area those trailers have is massive, and they basically act like big sails.  So now, not only does your truck have to control the mass of the trailer, but it also needs to control the effect of the wind on that trailer, especially any side winds. 

Look, I'm an experienced trailer guy, and I'm telling ya, when it comes to hauling a travel trailer, I wouldn't go past 2/3 of the truck's rated capacity if I'm planning on hauling any decent distance at all.   You have to remember, when you're loading up for a vacation, not only do you have the loaded weight of the trailer (which includes the trailer itself, water tanks, and all the necessities you have inside the trailer, pots/pans, kitchen tent, bbq, camp chairs, etc.), but then you're going to load up the back of the truck with stuff.  I always fill the back of the Tundra every single camping trip, with stuff like our food and beer coolers, bikes and other toys, firewood that I'm bringing along, and luggage.  I might have an extra 400-500lbs in the back of the truck, all of which eats into the truck's capacity. 

Can you tow a 24', 5000lb trailer with a midsize vehicle?  Sure, technically, you can do it.  My BIL tows his 23' Rockwood Micro-Lite (4500lbs unloaded, 5000lbs loaded) with his 4Runner.  But man, he white knuckles every drive, and won't drive more than a couple of hours in any direction when pulling his trailer.  It's just too stressful, because the trailer is driving his truck, not the other way around.  Even though I have a truck that is significantly more capable than his 4Runner when it comes to towing/hauling, I'm still going to limit my trailer size to 24', and about 5000lbs, or a little more.  I want our camping trips to be fun experiences, and that includes the drive out there.  I also don't want to be limited to staying within a couple of hours of home, just because I'm scared to drive our rig further.  I'd like to be able to explore the Rockies with our rig, and that means having a trailer that is easy to tow. 

Anyway, just my two cents.

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2020, 01:36:51 pm »
I like the 2/3 rule. After nearly having a cross wind flip this 30' TT (we had the trailer up on the left side wheels only with a good 3' of air on the right) I would say have some reserve capacity. Had we been running a weight distribution hitch and driving a smaller lighter vehicle it would have flipped the tow vehicle.  (That is a Ford F350 with 300 lbs of extra bike fuel in a slip tank and probably 1500 lbs of stuff in the bed.) As it was the trailer rotated on the ball but it did try to pick up the trucks right rear tire. Big weight and long wheelbase on the tow vehicle saved the day.


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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2020, 02:14:16 pm »
Those small engines in the f150 scares me in the long-term.

The US buyers I deal with are done with anything Ecoboost if its outside warranty. I've bought six in the past year at auction and actually got a total of one home, the rest fell under arbitration for oil leaks/turbo issues and/or phaser/timing chain noise. All had from 88,000 k- 167,000 km.

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Re: Ranger danger
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2020, 02:16:05 pm »
Those small engines in the f150 scares me in the long-term.

The US buyers I deal with are done with anything Ecoboost if its outside warranty. I've bought six in the past year at auction and actually got a total of one home, the rest fell under arbitration for oil leaks/turbo issues and/or phaser/timing chain noise. All had from 88,000 k- 167,000 km.

Please, elaborate.