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2021 Toyota SUPRA
« on: April 27, 2020, 01:20:42 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFB33dJlkec

- first look and drive from Redline reviews.

I think I don't mind the 4-pot sound although those pops and crackles are a bit much, especially for the 4 cyl model.
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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2020, 01:10:15 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l2JWhxD6mg

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2020, 11:04:57 am »
Yeah, giving the four cylinder a manual would make it more relevant to some people's interests for sure.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2020, 12:48:41 pm »
New Supra is not desirable whatsoever, and not a Supra. Just get a BMW. Yet another "new" version of a legend watered down.
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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2020, 01:23:10 pm »
New Supra is not desirable whatsoever, and not a Supra. Just get a BMW. Yet another "new" version of a legend watered down.

There isn't really an equivalent BMW though.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2020, 01:34:39 pm »
The 4cyl sucks in BMW.  Torquey but not a revver.  The engine has no soul.  And for $55K (I would expect) for the lower powered Supra is a horrible value proposition.  Mostly because you cannot get a manual.  Absolutely tragic.

To each of their own. I don't necessarily mind a torquey but not revvy engine. Having lived with one for a short while, it was addicting, and its replacement will be no different. But obviously, the sound is an important factor as well. This 2.0T Supra sounds pretty meh. I love downshifting with the Vette in sports mode.

The manual thing is just a dead horse at this point. I don't expect it to ever get one and that's just the way it is. I am sure hardcore car people have done manual swaps on the new Supra.
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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2020, 02:20:34 pm »
New Supra is not desirable whatsoever, and not a Supra. Just get a BMW. Yet another "new" version of a legend watered down.

There isn't really an equivalent BMW though.

M240

Kind of. I'd take the M240i over a Supra for the manual alone but I wouldn't really call them equivalents.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2020, 02:23:30 pm »
The 4cyl sucks in BMW.  Torquey but not a revver.  The engine has no soul.  And for $55K (I would expect) for the lower powered Supra is a horrible value proposition.  Mostly because you cannot get a manual.  Absolutely tragic.

To each of their own. I don't necessarily mind a torquey but not revvy engine. Having lived with one for a short while, it was addicting, and its replacement will be no different. But obviously, the sound is an important factor as well. This 2.0T Supra sounds pretty meh. I love downshifting with the Vette in sports mode.

The manual thing is just a dead horse at this point. I don't expect it to ever get one and that's just the way it is. I am sure hardcore car people have done manual swaps on the new Supra.

You can only go so fast on city streets today and a manual is simply more fun than an auto.  Not faster anymore but more fun.

I am not so sure on your dead horse comment.  Porsche is bringing BACK manual options.  I think you will see more of this going forward for the very reason that I state above.

Oh totally, I drive one because I personally like it more, but I think manufacturers have different concerns. Take rate would be a pretty important measure to them, for example.

And we are talking about Porsche here. They are known to actually listen to people, and I'd imagine their fanbase actually can afford them so they don't have to worry about sales. Toyota? Welp, it's Toyota. They are good at making car equivalent of a toaster, not at sports cars anymore, so I am not holding my breath.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2020, 02:51:07 pm »
The 4cyl sucks in BMW.  Torquey but not a revver.  The engine has no soul.  And for $55K (I would expect) for the lower powered Supra is a horrible value proposition.  Mostly because you cannot get a manual.  Absolutely tragic.

To each of their own. I don't necessarily mind a torquey but not revvy engine. Having lived with one for a short while, it was addicting, and its replacement will be no different. But obviously, the sound is an important factor as well. This 2.0T Supra sounds pretty meh. I love downshifting with the Vette in sports mode.

The manual thing is just a dead horse at this point. I don't expect it to ever get one and that's just the way it is. I am sure hardcore car people have done manual swaps on the new Supra.

You can only go so fast on city streets today and a manual is simply more fun than an auto.  Not faster anymore but more fun.

I am not so sure on your dead horse comment.  Porsche is bringing BACK manual options.  I think you will see more of this going forward for the very reason that I state above.

Oh totally, I drive one because I personally like it more, but I think manufacturers have different concerns. Take rate would be a pretty important measure to them, for example.

And we are talking about Porsche here. They are known to actually listen to people, and I'd imagine their fanbase actually can afford them so they don't have to worry about sales. Toyota? Welp, it's Toyota. They are good at making car equivalent of a toaster, not at sports cars anymore, so I am not holding my breath.

In the late 1980's Toyota had the Supra, Supra Turbo, MR2, MR2 Supercharged, Celica GTS, Celica ALL TRAC Turbo.  As a young boy I remember these fondly.  I also remember that I couldn't afford any of them.

How the mighty have fallen.

hey hey now, it's not all lost, Toyota has the Camry and Avalon TRD...  :rofl2: ;D ;D

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2020, 03:40:38 pm »
The 4cyl sucks in BMW.  Torquey but not a revver.  The engine has no soul.  And for $55K (I would expect) for the lower powered Supra is a horrible value proposition.  Mostly because you cannot get a manual.  Absolutely tragic.

To each of their own. I don't necessarily mind a torquey but not revvy engine. Having lived with one for a short while, it was addicting, and its replacement will be no different. But obviously, the sound is an important factor as well. This 2.0T Supra sounds pretty meh. I love downshifting with the Vette in sports mode.

The manual thing is just a dead horse at this point. I don't expect it to ever get one and that's just the way it is. I am sure hardcore car people have done manual swaps on the new Supra.

You can only go so fast on city streets today and a manual is simply more fun than an auto.  Not faster anymore but more fun.

I am not so sure on your dead horse comment.  Porsche is bringing BACK manual options.  I think you will see more of this going forward for the very reason that I state above.

Oh totally, I drive one because I personally like it more, but I think manufacturers have different concerns. Take rate would be a pretty important measure to them, for example.

And we are talking about Porsche here. They are known to actually listen to people, and I'd imagine their fanbase actually can afford them so they don't have to worry about sales. Toyota? Welp, it's Toyota. They are good at making car equivalent of a toaster, not at sports cars anymore, so I am not holding my breath.

In the late 1980's Toyota had the Supra, Supra Turbo, MR2, MR2 Supercharged, Celica GTS, Celica ALL TRAC Turbo.  As a young boy I remember these fondly.  I also remember that I couldn't afford any of them.

That's why I said anymore. They used to have some great cars and some are truly classic. Not anymore.

And most people who complain about Supra's lack of MT most likely wouldn't buy one for different reasons. I can personally say that even if it has a manual trans, the BMW engine/electronics are gonna drive me away anyways.

Although I do think the top trim sport Camry is a pretty sweet middle class rig. The XLE or whatever. Not too shabby all things considered.

Personally, I would have picked the Accord if I am in that segment just for the fact that Accord offers a manual trans option on both engines. I personally don't really like having big engines on those FWD cars with open diffs, though. My friend's Mazda6 2.5T can peel wheels if you are just a hair too heavy on the gas off the stoplight.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2020, 02:25:53 pm »
Car and Driver dyno tests the 2021 Supra.  Guess what?  Like the 2020 model, it's making more power than advertised.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32461333/2021-toyota-supra-dyno-tested/
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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2020, 09:25:38 pm »
If you want to see a guy ripping it up on the street (how does he not get caught?) - hear and feel the speed https://youtu.be/vtGnGAXFVwM 
Sounds cool, so long as you keep the windows closed I guess.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2020, 12:29:07 pm »
Sounds like a manual is coming, likely only for the four cylinder: https://carbuzz.com/news/a-manual-toyota-supra-is-coming

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2020, 07:18:36 pm »
If true, that would be colossally stupid.

Enthusiasts, then ones buying any of the manuals, want the performance version. Making the same mistake as Genesis did with the G70.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2020, 07:49:13 pm »
If true, that would be colossally stupid.

Enthusiasts, then ones buying any of the manuals, want the performance version. Making the same mistake as Genesis did with the G70.

I think the issue is that BMW hasn't paired it's newest sixes with manuals in any of its cars yet. Maybe they'll be able to use the same manual that the upcoming M3/M4 will use though.

It really is a shame that the new M340i is auto-only.  :-\

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2020, 07:57:01 pm »
Well that is just bad product planning then.

Manual with the faster car. Or else cynical marketing exercise.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2020, 10:50:10 am »
Maybe driving enthusiasts should put their money where their mouths are.

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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2020, 11:04:09 am »
Maybe driving enthusiasts should put their money where their mouths are.

My brother was beefing about Ford no longer making the Fiesta RS and ST.  I replied, Did you buy one?  That shut him up.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2020, 11:09:46 am »
Yep. Like 0.8% of G70s sold were manual, it should come to no surprise that they’re discontinuing the manual after 2021.

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Re: 2021 Toyota SUPRA
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2020, 12:01:08 pm »
Maybe driving enthusiasts should put their money where their mouths are.
I do, within my means. As do others such as Vman.

I would be interested in a new Supra if...if it was an updated MkIV. The fact that it is not that at all but rather a Z4 in drag, and no manual would be a deal breaker for me...IF I had the money to be in the market.

And G70 manuals flopped because they put the stick in the wrong car.