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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2020, 05:46:03 pm »
Should I even bother with a carburated bike?? Are they a PITA to keep running and will I need to learn the dark art of carburetor tuning??

For a dual sport?  Carbs are fine. ..I've not had issues.

It's essentially a glorified lawnmower engine in some cases.

But the newer ones do have FI.  CRF205L is fuel injected for example.
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2020, 05:48:21 pm »
Another nice thing is you can dick around in dirt to practice....and when you hit the deck it's much different than landing on asphalt.

Guys who learned in the dirt ALWAYS seemed to be better riders ultimately.

This is why I ask advice on stuff here, I like the opinions of people with way more experience than my googling self.

Things are often rarely as they should be on the dirt....tire not pointed where you wanted it to be, tires sliding, shifting your weight around, suspension behaving oddly when you didn't expect it etc.  That becomes "normal" for dirt riding.  You are unfazed.

And that translates directly to road riding....you are unfazed by these things which could otherwise be catastrophic on the street.  It's a bit more skill (and insurance) in your pocket.

Also read up on countersteering.  Very useful to fully understand this.

Will do....maybe this dual sport malarkie is where its at....gotta start watching Long Way Around lol
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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2020, 05:52:27 pm »
Another nice thing is you can dick around in dirt to practice....and when you hit the deck it's much different than landing on asphalt.

Guys who learned in the dirt ALWAYS seemed to be better riders ultimately.

This is why I ask advice on stuff here, I like the opinions of people with way more experience than my googling self.

Things are often rarely as they should be on the dirt....tire not pointed where you wanted it to be, tires sliding, shifting your weight around, suspension behaving oddly when you didn't expect it etc.  That becomes "normal" for dirt riding.  You are unfazed.

And that translates directly to road riding....you are unfazed by these things which could otherwise be catastrophic on the street.  It's a bit more skill (and insurance) in your pocket.

Also read up on countersteering.  Very useful to fully understand this.

Will do....maybe this dual sport malarkie is where its at....gotta start watching Long Way Around lol

I regularly ride my scooters, sportbikes, etc on gravel and dirt roads..almost daily.....such is the confidence I have from having learned in the dirt/unimproved roads.

On a dual sport, you'll also likely be riding in the rain (because fun!!) something many street riders avoid like the plague.

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2020, 05:53:57 pm »
Well if I ever decide to commute to work on it, there is a few kms worth of gravel on a shortcut I take to/from work, so any bike would have to be able to handle that.

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2020, 05:54:42 pm »
Well if I ever decide to commute to work on it, there is a few kms worth of gravel on a shortcut I take to/from work, so any bike would have to be able to handle that.

Any bike can handle it more than likely.

The question will be can your skills handle it.

With a little practice, I say yes.

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2020, 05:56:52 pm »
Well if I ever decide to commute to work on it, there is a few kms worth of gravel on a shortcut I take to/from work, so any bike would have to be able to handle that.

Any bike can handle it more than likely.

The question will be can your skills handle it.

With a little practice, I say yes.

Thats a ways away down the road. I want to be sure that I can handle a bike safely and confidently before I strike out into Edmonton traffic with it....or gravel

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2020, 06:00:23 pm »
Well if I ever decide to commute to work on it, there is a few kms worth of gravel on a shortcut I take to/from work, so any bike would have to be able to handle that.

Any bike can handle it more than likely.

The question will be can your skills handle it.

With a little practice, I say yes.

Thats a ways away down the road. I want to be sure that I can handle a bike safely and confidently before I strike out into Edmonton traffic with it....or gravel

I know it sounds odd, but I think dirt/gravel is safer.

Fewer idiots in cars on those roads for sure.

YMMV depending on where you live though.

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2020, 06:02:21 pm »
Should I even bother with a carburated bike?? Are they a PITA to keep running and will I need to learn the dark art of carburetor tuning??

What is your elevation?

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2020, 06:04:31 pm »
Well if I ever decide to commute to work on it, there is a few kms worth of gravel on a shortcut I take to/from work, so any bike would have to be able to handle that.

Any bike can handle it more than likely.

The question will be can your skills handle it.

With a little practice, I say yes.

Thats a ways away down the road. I want to be sure that I can handle a bike safely and confidently before I strike out into Edmonton traffic with it....or gravel

I know it sounds odd, but I think dirt/gravel is safer.

Fewer idiots in cars on those roads for sure.

YMMV depending on where you live though.

The great part of where I live is that there are a royal crapload of next to abandoned back roads, both paved/gravel, all within a few minutes ride. I like the fact that I can go screw around there without worrying about traffic.

Should I even bother with a carburated bike?? Are they a PITA to keep running and will I need to learn the dark art of carburetor tuning??

What is your elevation?

700 some odd meters, about 2200ft.

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2020, 06:07:51 pm »
Maybe some minor jetting on the carb but not much.

Here is a used super moto (SM) version of a DRZ

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-dirt-bikes-motocross/calgary/winter-sale-dr-z400sm/1478517069


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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2020, 06:08:36 pm »
^^SM...the easiest way to lose your license IMO.   :rofl: :rofl2:

And I'm going bananas as KTM said they're releasing a 490cc twin cylinder SM!!
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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2020, 06:10:03 pm »
My street legal "E" model I had...



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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2020, 06:11:01 pm »
Carb bikes don't like sitting for years on end. Seems to be the biggest issue with them. Some are a little cold blooded and take long to warm up. I love fuel injection of my Suzuki after the previous carb'd Honda. Took it from sea level to top of mountains - no issues.

Dual sports have a higher seats I think which adds a little extra challenge in learning but I've only ridden standards not low cruisers or higher dual sports.

For me gravel (especially thickly packed) can feel a little squirrelly at higher speeds on street tires. I just slow down and it is ok. Not my favourite but some of the best roads are gravel.

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2020, 06:11:45 pm »
and a Kawasaki version of the DRZ. You could probably walk away with this for $3 or $3.2.  If shopping DRZ (or the Kawai eq) don't get hung up po year becuase Suzuki didn't really ever change them. Condition rules.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-dirt-bikes-motocross/calgary/2004-kawasaki-klx400sr-suzuki-drz400s-6000kms-street-legal/1484451781


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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2020, 06:12:41 pm »
Carb bikes don't like sitting for years on end. Seems to be the biggest issue with them. Some are a little cold blooded and take long to warm up. I love fuel injection of my Suzuki after the previous carb'd Honda. Took it from sea level to top of mountains - no issues.

Dual sports have a higher seats I think which adds a little extra challenge in learning but I've only ridden standards not low cruisers or higher dual sports.

For me gravel (especially thickly packed) can feel a little squirrelly at higher speeds on street tires. I just slow down and it is ok. Not my favourite but some of the best roads are gravel.

Yep...don't fight it.  Let the tire move around...something you're 100% accustomed to on a dual sport.

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2020, 06:14:24 pm »
and a Kawasaki version of the DRZ. You could probably walk away with this for $3 or $3.2.  If shopping DRZ (or the Kawai eq) don't get hung up po year becuase Suzuki didn't really ever change them. Condition rules.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-dirt-bikes-motocross/calgary/2004-kawasaki-klx400sr-suzuki-drz400s-6000kms-street-legal/1484451781

I have to get used to bike pricing, $5k for a 7 year old one

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-dirt-bikes-motocross/calgary/2011-kawasaki-klr/1485927535

or brand new for $7500ish

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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2020, 06:15:12 pm »
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Re: New Biker....ME!! Well kinda.....
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2020, 06:16:05 pm »
KLR650 are legendary for their indestructible engine.

Literally, there are vids online of people trying to kill them.   :rofl: :rofl2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvGZS5fqxrk