Topic: Porsche buying thread

[OliverD]

I don't look at these type of vehicles as an investment

You don't need to look at it as an investment for resale values to matter. I think a lot of people shopping for cars like this are interested in trying a variety of things and want to be able to drive something for a year or two and moving on to something else without losing their shirt.

If you're smart about it and can afford to have the capital tied up you can go through some very nice cars without actually paying for a bunch of depreciation.

[Gurgie]

Blame it on age, and my usual thing for underdogs, but I always had a crush on the 924S. It combines the 924's pure lines with 944 power and phone dials - plus, prices are still reasonnable.

Just listen to the driving video for this one:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-porsche-924s-25/

Rare optioned power steering one even... the manual racks in those are very desirable for their feel and feedback.

[JohnnyMac]

Curiously though -- and maybe it's me just trying to justify my station in life -- I really don't think I'd get 4x the enjoyment out of a new Cayman GTS than say, a 12-or-so-year-old Cayman S that I can modify a bit to be exactly as I'd want it.  It's still 'exotic' looking and sounding, it still offers relatively modern Porsche driving experiences, and it's plenty quick enough to be thoroughly fun -- especially here in Ontario where even 40 over in an 80 zone (very easily done) gets your car impounded. 

New low option GTS = $100K. Used Cayman S = $50K. Sell low option GTS in 4 years for what? 80K. So you drive a new car, warranty, worry free, for $20K. My math is probably all wrong, but I don't think too far off. Now, the issue is price of entry, both in $ and in actually securing the car.

You mean mean no option GTS, which I think is like $97K, not too many "options" you can get for $3K.  Plus you have to add all the other things onto that price, taxes, licensing, registration, etc.  So let's just say you get it all in for $115K, selling it for $80K in 4 years time sounds reasonable enough, still not bad considering you only lost $35K over 4 years.

[Hannibalsmith]

Curiously though -- and maybe it's me just trying to justify my station in life -- I really don't think I'd get 4x the enjoyment out of a new Cayman GTS than say, a 12-or-so-year-old Cayman S that I can modify a bit to be exactly as I'd want it.  It's still 'exotic' looking and sounding, it still offers relatively modern Porsche driving experiences, and it's plenty quick enough to be thoroughly fun -- especially here in Ontario where even 40 over in an 80 zone (very easily done) gets your car impounded. 

New low option GTS = $100K. Used Cayman S = $50K. Sell low option GTS in 4 years for what? 80K. So you drive a new car, warranty, worry free, for $20K. My math is probably all wrong, but I don't think too far off. Now, the issue is price of entry, both in $ and in actually securing the car.

You mean mean no option GTS, which I think is like $97K, not too many "options" you can get for $3K.  Plus you have to add all the other things onto that price, taxes, licensing, registration, etc.  So let's just say you get it all in for $115K, selling it for $80K in 4 years time sounds reasonable enough, still not bad considering you only lost $35K over 4 years.

Yes, that's more or less what I meant. My spec is just shy of $100K. So yes, 35K over 4 years works out to ~$750 / month, which is less than the $900 / month I paid for 4 years lease on my 335...You know what, I'm starting to talk myself into this lol

[JohnnyMac]

Curiously though -- and maybe it's me just trying to justify my station in life -- I really don't think I'd get 4x the enjoyment out of a new Cayman GTS than say, a 12-or-so-year-old Cayman S that I can modify a bit to be exactly as I'd want it.  It's still 'exotic' looking and sounding, it still offers relatively modern Porsche driving experiences, and it's plenty quick enough to be thoroughly fun -- especially here in Ontario where even 40 over in an 80 zone (very easily done) gets your car impounded. 

New low option GTS = $100K. Used Cayman S = $50K. Sell low option GTS in 4 years for what? 80K. So you drive a new car, warranty, worry free, for $20K. My math is probably all wrong, but I don't think too far off. Now, the issue is price of entry, both in $ and in actually securing the car.

You mean mean no option GTS, which I think is like $97K, not too many "options" you can get for $3K.  Plus you have to add all the other things onto that price, taxes, licensing, registration, etc.  So let's just say you get it all in for $115K, selling it for $80K in 4 years time sounds reasonable enough, still not bad considering you only lost $35K over 4 years.

Yes, that's more or less what I meant. My spec is just shy of $100K. So yes, 35K over 4 years works out to ~$750 / month, which is less than the $900 / month I paid for 4 years lease on my 335...You know what, I'm starting to talk myself into this lol

I think the real issue with this logic is how likely are you going to want to get rid of it in 4 years time?  Could be the type of vehicle you keep for a long time, especially with ICE cars likely going away in 9-14 years.

[Triple Bob]

Curiously though -- and maybe it's me just trying to justify my station in life -- I really don't think I'd get 4x the enjoyment out of a new Cayman GTS than say, a 12-or-so-year-old Cayman S that I can modify a bit to be exactly as I'd want it.  It's still 'exotic' looking and sounding, it still offers relatively modern Porsche driving experiences, and it's plenty quick enough to be thoroughly fun -- especially here in Ontario where even 40 over in an 80 zone (very easily done) gets your car impounded. 

New low option GTS = $100K. Used Cayman S = $50K. Sell low option GTS in 4 years for what? 80K. So you drive a new car, warranty, worry free, for $20K. My math is probably all wrong, but I don't think too far off. Now, the issue is price of entry, both in $ and in actually securing the car.

You mean mean no option GTS, which I think is like $97K, not too many "options" you can get for $3K.  Plus you have to add all the other things onto that price, taxes, licensing, registration, etc.  So let's just say you get it all in for $115K, selling it for $80K in 4 years time sounds reasonable enough, still not bad considering you only lost $35K over 4 years.

Yes, that's more or less what I meant. My spec is just shy of $100K. So yes, 35K over 4 years works out to ~$750 / month, which is less than the $900 / month I paid for 4 years lease on my 335...You know what, I'm starting to talk myself into this lol

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[quadzilla]

I know somebody that might have a 1966 912 going up for sale. Great for anybody wanting something slow and old with those classic Porsche lines.

* Some assembly required
* There is one person that has first right of refusal

[Blueprint]

I know somebody that might have a 1966 912 going up for sale. Great for anybody wanting something slow and old with those classic Porsche lines.

* Some assembly required
* There is one person that has first right of refusal

High 5-figure car on BaT!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-porsche-912-coupe-55/

[DriverJeff]

Curiously though -- and maybe it's me just trying to justify my station in life -- I really don't think I'd get 4x the enjoyment out of a new Cayman GTS than say, a 12-or-so-year-old Cayman S that I can modify a bit to be exactly as I'd want it.  It's still 'exotic' looking and sounding, it still offers relatively modern Porsche driving experiences, and it's plenty quick enough to be thoroughly fun -- especially here in Ontario where even 40 over in an 80 zone (very easily done) gets your car impounded. 

New low option GTS = $100K. Used Cayman S = $50K. Sell low option GTS in 4 years for what? 80K. So you drive a new car, warranty, worry free, for $20K. My math is probably all wrong, but I don't think too far off. Now, the issue is price of entry, both in $ and in actually securing the car.

You mean mean no option GTS, which I think is like $97K, not too many "options" you can get for $3K.  Plus you have to add all the other things onto that price, taxes, licensing, registration, etc.  So let's just say you get it all in for $115K, selling it for $80K in 4 years time sounds reasonable enough, still not bad considering you only lost $35K over 4 years.

Yes, that's more or less what I meant. My spec is just shy of $100K. So yes, 35K over 4 years works out to ~$750 / month, which is less than the $900 / month I paid for 4 years lease on my 335...You know what, I'm starting to talk myself into this lol

You need this t-shirt:



 

https://pistonheads.shop/products/pistonheads-man-maths-t-shirt

Ha!  I was just about to say "Don't start running those man-maths around TurboBob or you'll be signing on the line before you know it!  He's a terrible influence!" (it's no wonder we're such good friends).   

[DriverJeff]

Blame it on age, and my usual thing for underdogs, but I always had a crush on the 924S. It combines the 924's pure lines with 944 power and phone dials - plus, prices are still reasonnable.

Just listen to the driving video for this one:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-porsche-924s-25/

I always thought the 924s (esp. those later ones with the giant reflectors) didn't look right.  The 944s, on the other hand, still look good to my eye.  After driving a 944S, though, I was put off those old four-banger P-cars.  I know some people covet them, and more power to 'em, but for what's basically the same money now, I'd rather a basic 986 Boxster that just feels (and sounds) so much better to wind out. 

[Blueprint]

^^ Older classics are indeed hard to compare to their modern counterparts. But we always covet the cars of our youth... It's human nature  Co-worker, same age as me, has a 924 Turbo, rare bird.

[OliverD]

I'm not really familiar with 924s. What exactly is the difference between a same-year 924S and 944? Just the styling?

[Blueprint]

I'm not really familiar with 924s. What exactly is the difference between a same-year 924S and 944? Just the styling?

924 launched with a very slippery body, fantastic chassis for the times but weaksauce Audi 4-banger. 944 replaced it here with macho wide body and stronger Porsche four cylinder (half of the 928's V8 IIRC). Porsche then added back the 924 S, with the original's narrow body and instrument panel, but with the 944's engine. That's what makes it brillant. The car is more elegant, less boy racer but will still hold its own on public roads.

Today's equivalent would be a base Cayman paired with the 4 litre six.

[Hannibalsmith]

I'm not really familiar with 924s. What exactly is the difference between a same-year 924S and 944? Just the styling?

924 launched with a very slippery body, fantastic chassis for the times but weaksauce Audi 4-banger. 944 replaced it here with macho wide body and stronger Porsche four cylinder (half of the 928's V8 IIRC). Porsche then added back the 924 S, with the original's narrow body and instrument panel, but with the 944's engine. That's what makes it brillant. The car is more elegant, less boy racer but will still hold its own on public roads.

Today's equivalent would be a base Cayman paired with the 4 litre six.

Are you on meds for your back pains?

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Cammisa did a great video on the 924/944/928

https://youtu.be/6qLwd44C4iU

[Blueprint]

I'm not really familiar with 924s. What exactly is the difference between a same-year 924S and 944? Just the styling?

924 launched with a very slippery body, fantastic chassis for the times but weaksauce Audi 4-banger. 944 replaced it here with macho wide body and stronger Porsche four cylinder (half of the 928's V8 IIRC). Porsche then added back the 924 S, with the original's narrow body and instrument panel, but with the 944's engine. That's what makes it brillant. The car is more elegant, less boy racer but will still hold its own on public roads.

Today's equivalent would be a base Cayman paired with the 4 litre six.

Are you on meds for your back pains?

I'm not really familiar with 924s. What exactly is the difference between a same-year 924S and 944? Just the styling?

924 launched with a very slippery body, fantastic chassis for the times but weaksauce Audi 4-banger. 944 replaced it here with macho wide body and stronger Porsche four cylinder (half of the 928's V8 IIRC). Porsche then added back the 924 S, with the original's narrow body and instrument panel, but with the 944's engine. That's what makes it brillant. The car is more elegant, less boy racer but will still hold its own on public roads.

Today's equivalent would be a base Cayman paired with the 4 litre six.

Are you on meds for your back pains?

  Naproxen only, no narcotics.

Speaking of narcotics, have you seen the coveted Pasha interior of the 928?

[Hannibalsmith]

I'm not really familiar with 924s. What exactly is the difference between a same-year 924S and 944? Just the styling?

924 launched with a very slippery body, fantastic chassis for the times but weaksauce Audi 4-banger. 944 replaced it here with macho wide body and stronger Porsche four cylinder (half of the 928's V8 IIRC). Porsche then added back the 924 S, with the original's narrow body and instrument panel, but with the 944's engine. That's what makes it brillant. The car is more elegant, less boy racer but will still hold its own on public roads.

Today's equivalent would be a base Cayman paired with the 4 litre six.

Are you on meds for your back pains?

  Naproxen only, no narcotics.

Speaking of narcotics, have you seen the coveted Pasha interior of the 928?

One could be driven to kill after spending time in that interior...

That said, some of the Pasha interiors were nice

[rrocket]

I nearly pulled the trigger on a high mileage (but fantastically modded) Cayman S about a year ago (I think I shared the details with Hannibal) but missed out on it because I was slow on the draw.  The price was really, really right.

Have now been presented with a similar 2009 Boxster S.  Had a "big" accident ($30k) very early in it's life (not rebuilt status, normal status).  Has somewhat high mileage (120k), but has $5k+ in very desirable mods that would make this a very rowdy weekend car.

I'm really, really tempted.

But doing so would mean scratching the plans for my "50th Birthday" car....whatever that car will be.

[Hannibalsmith]

I nearly pulled the trigger on a high mileage (but fantastically modded) Cayman S about a year ago (I think I shared the details with Hannibal) but missed out on it because I was slow on the draw.  The price was really, really right.

Have now been presented with a similar 2009 Boxster S.  Had a "big" accident ($30k) very early in it's life (not rebuilt status, normal status).  Has somewhat high mileage (120k), but has $5k+ in very desirable mods that would make this a very rowdy weekend car.

I'm really, really tempted.

But doing so would mean scratching the plans for my "50th Birthday" car....whatever that car will be.

Hold off. There will always be Boxters…are you willing to share your 50th budget?

[rrocket]

I nearly pulled the trigger on a high mileage (but fantastically modded) Cayman S about a year ago (I think I shared the details with Hannibal) but missed out on it because I was slow on the draw.  The price was really, really right.

Have now been presented with a similar 2009 Boxster S.  Had a "big" accident ($30k) very early in it's life (not rebuilt status, normal status).  Has somewhat high mileage (120k), but has $5k+ in very desirable mods that would make this a very rowdy weekend car.

I'm really, really tempted.

But doing so would mean scratching the plans for my "50th Birthday" car....whatever that car will be.

Hold off. There will always be Boxters…are you willing to share your 50th budget?

$60-$70K or so.

But I'm also struggling to decide if I keep the Prime as a winter/errand/ family car and get something more as a fairweather/weekend car.

Of sell the Prime and get something that can legit be used year round.