Topic: Porsche buying thread

[Triple Bob]

That inspection is stupid.  And, is Lexus/Toyota calling for 16 000km oil change intervals?  I think that's stupid and you should ignore it and just do 8000km intervals, especially if you're doing lots of short trips.

If you're using a good synthetic, changing it at 8K is just throwing money away, it can easily do 16K.

[rrocket]

That inspection is stupid.  And, is Lexus/Toyota calling for 16 000km oil change intervals?  I think that's stupid and you should ignore it and just do 8000km intervals, especially if you're doing lots of short trips.

If you're using a good synthetic, changing it at 8K is just throwing money away, it can easily do 16K.

Agreed.

[Gurgie]

Just seen my buddies post on Instagram that he's swapping out the engine in his 02 996 C2 with an 08 997 Turbo motor. Guess the original motor threw a connecting rod last summer on the back straight of Mosport & he's picked up a used engine for it. Looking forward to him documenting the swap!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKc4Q8DBfyN/?igshid=1quiojaj3n8u3

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[dirtyjeffer]

Just seen my buddies post on Instagram that he's swapping out the engine in his 02 996 C2 with an 08 997 Turbo motor. Guess the original motor threw a connecting rod last summer on the back straight of Mosport & he's picked up a used engine for it. Looking forward to him documenting the swap!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKc4Q8DBfyN/?igshid=1quiojaj3n8u3

yikes...that can't be cheap.

[JohnnyMac]

Just seen my buddies post on Instagram that he's swapping out the engine in his 02 996 C2 with an 08 997 Turbo motor. Guess the original motor threw a connecting rod last summer on the back straight of Mosport & he's picked up a used engine for it. Looking forward to him documenting the swap!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKc4Q8DBfyN/?igshid=1quiojaj3n8u3

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Hmmm, I wonder if doing a LS V8 swap would have been cheaper.  I see a lot of these swaps done and I think it makes perfect sense.  Of course what your friend is doing will also be epic and likely a bit easier.

[tortoise]

That inspection is stupid.  And, is Lexus/Toyota calling for 16 000km oil change intervals?  I think that's stupid and you should ignore it and just do 8000km intervals, especially if you're doing lots of short trips.

What are you basing this on?

My VW has 15k intervals and all used oil analysis' posted to the TDI forums show lots of life left in the oil.

[JohnnyMac]

That inspection is stupid.  And, is Lexus/Toyota calling for 16 000km oil change intervals?  I think that's stupid and you should ignore it and just do 8000km intervals, especially if you're doing lots of short trips.

What are you basing this on?

My VW has 15k intervals and all used oil analysis' posted to the TDI forums show lots of life left in the oil.

Yeah I tend to think the manufacturer sets these intervals based on extensive data, likely still very conservative with their mileage and time intervals.  With how good synthetic oil and filters are nowadays I wouldn't sweat the 15k interval.

[Gurgie]

Just seen my buddies post on Instagram that he's swapping out the engine in his 02 996 C2 with an 08 997 Turbo motor. Guess the original motor threw a connecting rod last summer on the back straight of Mosport & he's picked up a used engine for it. Looking forward to him documenting the swap!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKc4Q8DBfyN/?igshid=1quiojaj3n8u3

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Hmmm, I wonder if doing a LS V8 swap would have been cheaper.  I see a lot of these swaps done and I think it makes perfect sense.  Of course what your friend is doing will also be epic and likely a bit easier.

He's a certified Porsche technician, so I'm guessing it's a bit easier for him. He used to work for Pfaff, but now works at European Automotive in Oakville as a mechanic there. He already has a GT2 gearbox sitting in his garage that he's use as part of the swap. I told him to do a blog on it, or a YouTube video because it's gonna be a very interested swap over the next several months. He also has a Ferrari 348 that he picked up fairly cheap because the owner didn't want the expense of the engine out service that was required, so he bought it & did the service himself at home... he was gonna flip it for a profit, but I see he still has it 

[JohnnyMac]

Just seen my buddies post on Instagram that he's swapping out the engine in his 02 996 C2 with an 08 997 Turbo motor. Guess the original motor threw a connecting rod last summer on the back straight of Mosport & he's picked up a used engine for it. Looking forward to him documenting the swap!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKc4Q8DBfyN/?igshid=1quiojaj3n8u3

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Hmmm, I wonder if doing a LS V8 swap would have been cheaper.  I see a lot of these swaps done and I think it makes perfect sense.  Of course what your friend is doing will also be epic and likely a bit easier.

He's a certified Porsche technician, so I'm guessing it's a bit easier for him. He used to work for Pfaff, but now works at European Automotive in Oakville as a mechanic there. He already has a GT2 gearbox sitting in his garage that he's use as part of the swap. I told him to do a blog on it, or a YouTube video because it's gonna be a very interested swap over the next several months. He also has a Ferrari 348 that he picked up fairly cheap because the owner didn't want the expense of the engine out service that was required, so he bought it & did the service himself at home... he was gonna flip it for a profit, but I see he still has it 

I'm always in awe over someone being able to do these things themselves.  Such an impressive skill to have.  I bet he could make a nice profit selling the 348. 

[PJungnitsch]

That inspection is stupid.  And, is Lexus/Toyota calling for 16 000km oil change intervals?  I think that's stupid and you should ignore it and just do 8000km intervals, especially if you're doing lots of short trips.

What are you basing this on?

My VW has 15k intervals and all used oil analysis' posted to the TDI forums show lots of life left in the oil.

Yeah I tend to think the manufacturer sets these intervals based on extensive data, likely still very conservative with their mileage and time intervals.  With how good synthetic oil and filters are nowadays I wouldn't sweat the 15k interval.

Would y'all go a year and a half to two years though? That's what it is calling for

Anywho, I'm thinking a yearly check is part of warranty, and if I'm going to pay for an inspection anyway, an oil change as well is very little extra

[JohnnyMac]

That inspection is stupid.  And, is Lexus/Toyota calling for 16 000km oil change intervals?  I think that's stupid and you should ignore it and just do 8000km intervals, especially if you're doing lots of short trips.

What are you basing this on?

My VW has 15k intervals and all used oil analysis' posted to the TDI forums show lots of life left in the oil.

Yeah I tend to think the manufacturer sets these intervals based on extensive data, likely still very conservative with their mileage and time intervals.  With how good synthetic oil and filters are nowadays I wouldn't sweat the 15k interval.

Would y'all go a year and a half to two years though? That's what it is calling for

Anywho, I'm thinking a yearly check is part of warranty, and if I'm going to pay for an inspection anyway, an oil change as well is very little extra

Your Lexus doesn't have a distance and TIME schedule for oil changes?  My VW and Toyota are both 15,000 kms or 12 months for oil change.

[tortoise]

^^That^^

Pre-COVID 15k intervals meant 2 oil changes per year for me.

(Apologies for the thread derail)

[Seafoam]

 I understand what most are saying here but what if you do mostly short trips? You are going to get more fuel contamination in the oil. That can't help for lubrication purposes. Don't owners manuals still have severe service schedules ?

I see GBA does a lot of short trips by the look of his Civic's gas mileage. Can't be good for his oil.

Personally I would change it sooner if there is a lot of short trips.  People waste money on a lot of other things.

[JohnnyMac]

I understand what most are saying here but what if you do mostly short trips? You are going to get more fuel contamination in the oil. That can't help for lubrication purposes. Don't owners manuals still have severe service schedules ?

I see GBA does a lot of short trips by the look of his Civic's gas mileage. Can't be good for his oil.

Personally I would change it sooner if there is a lot of short trips.  People waste money on a lot of other things.

I get what you are saying but with modern engines, synthetic oil, filter, and better gas I don't think these intervals are detrimental to engine life.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Not talking about the car, it runs conventional anyway.

My point relates more to the Tundra, or somebody else's RX350. You do a $200 oil change every 12 months or 16 000kms (which I think is too long, especially if you do many short trips - it's okay if all you drive is a bunch of highway).  Then every 6 months between oil changes, you pay $100 to do an inspection - and they literally do nothing.  My argument is, why not just pay the extra $100 and get an oil change every six months, lowering your interval down to 6 months/8000 kms?  I mean, if you're driving a >$50k vehicle, why skimp over an extra $100/year?

That being said, since I'm now getting oil changes done at my Indy, and I'm putting less than 6000kms/year on the Tundra, I'll just do an oil change once every 12 months, and it will be fine.  But if I was still dailying it with short trips, I'd be going twice a year. 

[Triple Bob]

Not talking about the car, it runs conventional anyway.

My point relates more to the Tundra, or somebody else's RX350. You do a $200 oil change every 12 months or 16 000kms (which I think is too long, especially if you do many short trips - it's okay if all you drive is a bunch of highway).  Then every 6 months between oil changes, you pay $100 to do an inspection - and they literally do nothing.  My argument is, why not just pay the extra $100 and get an oil change every six months, lowering your interval down to 6 months/8000 kms?  I mean, if you're driving a >$50k vehicle, why skimp over an extra $100/year?

That being said, since I'm now getting oil changes done at my Indy, and I'm putting less than 6000kms/year on the Tundra, I'll just do an oil change once every 12 months, and it will be fine.  But if I was still dailying it with short trips, I'd be going twice a year.

Because you don't need the oil change. That's like saying why not just throw $100 in the trash, it's only $100? Yes you could right, but it's a waste.

I understand what most are saying here but what if you do mostly short trips? You are going to get more fuel contamination in the oil. That can't help for lubrication purposes. Don't owners manuals still have severe service schedules ?

I see GBA does a lot of short trips by the look of his Civic's gas mileage. Can't be good for his oil.

Personally I would change it sooner if there is a lot of short trips.  People waste money on a lot of other things.

Short trips or not, a good synthetic will easily cope. It's actually high heat for long periods (e.g. track days) that cause more of a breakdown of oil additives.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Well, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I'm sure both of us could point to various resources defending both of our arguments, and ultimately, it comes down to what the vehicle owner most feels comfortable with.  Compared to the running costs of the Tundra (insurance and fuel), an extra $100 towards maintenance for a little peace of mind (justified or not) is quite paltry.  You're not going to change my opinion on the matter, just like I won't change yours.  And in the end, it's a pretty inconsequential thing to disagree upon.  It's not like we're talking about Israel vs Palestine here, now is it?

[Gurgie]

Not talking about the car, it runs conventional anyway.

My point relates more to the Tundra, or somebody else's RX350. You do a $200 oil change every 12 months or 16 000kms (which I think is too long, especially if you do many short trips - it's okay if all you drive is a bunch of highway).  Then every 6 months between oil changes, you pay $100 to do an inspection - and they literally do nothing.  My argument is, why not just pay the extra $100 and get an oil change every six months, lowering your interval down to 6 months/8000 kms?  I mean, if you're driving a >$50k vehicle, why skimp over an extra $100/year?

That being said, since I'm now getting oil changes done at my Indy, and I'm putting less than 6000kms/year on the Tundra, I'll just do an oil change once every 12 months, and it will be fine.  But if I was still dailying it with short trips, I'd be going twice a year.

Because you don't need the oil change. That's like saying why not just throw $100 in the trash, it's only $100? Yes you could right, but it's a waste.

I understand what most are saying here but what if you do mostly short trips? You are going to get more fuel contamination in the oil. That can't help for lubrication purposes. Don't owners manuals still have severe service schedules ?

I see GBA does a lot of short trips by the look of his Civic's gas mileage. Can't be good for his oil.

Personally I would change it sooner if there is a lot of short trips.  People waste money on a lot of other things.

Short trips or not, a good synthetic will easily cope. It's actually high heat for long periods (e.g. track days) that cause more of a breakdown of oil additives.

You're getting sucked into an oil debate again Bob...     

[blur911]

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I  can't convince a mechanic friend of mine to stop doing 5k oil changes, he is still in 1990.

[Triple Bob]

Well, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I'm sure both of us could point to various resources defending both of our arguments, and ultimately, it comes down to what the vehicle owner most feels comfortable with.  Compared to the running costs of the Tundra (insurance and fuel), an extra $100 towards maintenance for a little peace of mind (justified or not) is quite paltry.  You're not going to change my opinion on the matter, just like I won't change yours.  And in the end, it's a pretty inconsequential thing to disagree upon.  It's not like we're talking about Israel vs Palestine here, now is it?

Agreed. As Vman pointed out (thanks Vman), I worked in the oil industry, and we had a lab, so it's not just a random opinion. Modern synthetics are way better than people think they are, and SIGNIFICANTLY better than what a dealer will tell you.