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Re: 2021-Kia Optima
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2020, 10:50:41 pm »
Finally watched the whole Alex on Autos review  (posted above, but here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1AtN3GmvtE )

He likes it.  A lot.  Handling is surprisingly good.  And at 7.3 sec for the 1.6t. it's quite decently quick.  2.5t should be indecently quick.
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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2020, 07:47:06 pm »
Finally watched the whole Alex on Autos review  (posted above, but here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1AtN3GmvtE )

He likes it.  A lot.  Handling is surprisingly good.  And at 7.3 sec for the 1.6t. it's quite decently quick.  2.5t should be indecently quick.

Trouble is the Turbo, I'm not sure I like that at all. Another plus, it hasn't had the ugly brush treatment, like the Sonata. Which incidentally, it really fugly  The headlight on K5 are little suspect, however.  :-\

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2020, 08:47:35 pm »
Will the 2.5t be able to get the power to the ground? We shall see.

Yup. It will be pointless if all that power comes with a bunch of wheel hop and torque steer. Then again my ~ 270 hp Sonata had zero wheel hop and very minimal torque steer a decade ago.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2020, 10:03:44 am »
I like the old Optima.

I am now convinced I am not a fan of the fast back look. It gives cars the look that it should be a lift back but isn't. If a car is a sedan with a trunk it should look like one. On top of that in most cars following this trend the rear seat headroom gets compromised for the sake of design. Same is true of the current Honda Accord. I know it is a great car but the current design just does not do it for me.

I think the Audi A7 may have started this design trend. At least that has the practicality of a lift back.



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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2020, 11:12:53 am »
I think the Audi A7 may have started this design trend. At least that has the practicality of a lift back.

The 2005 Mercedes CLS was probably the first example of the modern swoopy roofed sedans.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2020, 01:35:55 pm »
Straight Pipes review.  Pretty good looking car.  The GT should be a hoot.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2020, 02:02:05 pm »
Straight Pipes review.  Pretty good looking car.  The GT should be a hoot.

Oh man. Those DRLs really look beautiful on the dark blue body. And also I'm glad they showed it with the new Sonata side by side.

P.S. That side jump after 16min mark is nuts, something a CUV could never pull off  8)
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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2020, 02:48:31 pm »
Very sharp looking and a stunning shade of blue. Handles better than the TLX? Ouch. That's gotta hurt.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2020, 03:22:43 pm »
Very sharp looking and a stunning shade of blue. Handles better than the TLX? Ouch. That's gotta hurt.
I'll take the extra 90hp and 85TQ of the Acura all day long if I have to be saddled with a 4 banger...

I'd notice the lack of power far more on the Kia than any handling difference on the road IMO..
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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2020, 04:48:54 pm »
Very sharp looking and a stunning shade of blue. Handles better than the TLX? Ouch. That's gotta hurt.
I'll take the extra 90hp and 85TQ of the Acura all day long if I have to be saddled with a 4 banger...

I'd notice the lack of power far more on the Kia than any handling difference on the road IMO..

I was comparing  handling, not power. One wouldn't think these two are natural competitors, so I wasn't addressing a purchase comparison. One would CERTAINLY think that the much more costly TLX with its much hyped SHAWD would run circles around an Optima in the handling department.  But these two didn't think so. And hence my comment.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2020, 05:02:56 pm »
I had a 2011 Optima which I think was the first year for the complete re design and that was a great car with features like heated rear seats and steering wheel at the time that were not very common.  I'm sure this will be a great value as well.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2020, 05:20:01 pm »
Very sharp looking and a stunning shade of blue. Handles better than the TLX? Ouch. That's gotta hurt.
I'll take the extra 90hp and 85TQ of the Acura all day long if I have to be saddled with a 4 banger...

I'd notice the lack of power far more on the Kia than any handling difference on the road IMO..

I was comparing  handling, not power. One wouldn't think these two are natural competitors, so I wasn't addressing a purchase comparison. One would CERTAINLY think that the much more costly TLX with its much hyped SHAWD would run circles around an Optima in the handling department.  But these two didn't think so. And hence my comment.
I'll wait for instrumented test between the two to see hard numbers...curious to see if it's "perception" or "reality".

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2021, 12:45:31 pm »
Sofyan Bey got the K5 GT (2.5T with new DCT) and speaks quite highly of it...IMO, the car could really use AWD as that's a lot of power to put through the front wheels, or at the very least, a limited split diff up front (surely those aren't THAT expensive, are they?)...it looks to be a very decent car with the looks, features, powertrain, ride and price all very respectable...it's only real Achilles heal is torque steer.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2021, 01:59:12 pm »
^^^ At the very least proper summer tires are a must for this car.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2021, 03:41:27 pm »
^^^ At the very least proper summer tires are a must for this car.
meh...LSD would do far more...i have no idea how much that costs...$300??...$500??...$800??...i think it would go a long way on this car, which is $40k...if it's $500 for the LSD, put it on there and make the $40,500...it would make a really big difference and remove a lot of the "buts" from  the conversations about it.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2021, 04:41:17 pm »
^^^ At the very least proper summer tires are a must for this car.
meh...LSD would do far more...i have no idea how much that costs...$300??...$500??...$800??...i think it would go a long way on this car, which is $40k...if it's $500 for the LSD, put it on there and make the $40,500...it would make a really big difference and remove a lot of the "buts" from  the conversations about it.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good idea but the reality is modern cars are designed for an average buyer among a target group. And that average buyer will more likely be interested in Android integration and self-driving features than what an LSD stands for. He or she are not going to race it off every traffic light but may appreciate extra highway passing power from 80 to 120 kph for example. They are spread-sheet shoppers, not enthusiasts and want the longest list of superior features for a reasonable, or better yet, best of the segment price or monthly payment.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2021, 05:08:56 pm »
^^^ At the very least proper summer tires are a must for this car.
meh...LSD would do far more...i have no idea how much that costs...$300??...$500??...$800??...i think it would go a long way on this car, which is $40k...if it's $500 for the LSD, put it on there and make the $40,500...it would make a really big difference and remove a lot of the "buts" from  the conversations about it.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good idea but the reality is modern cars are designed for an average buyer among a target group. And that average buyer will more likely be interested in Android integration and self-driving features than what an LSD stands for. He or she are not going to race it off every traffic light but may appreciate extra highway passing power from 80 to 120 kph for example. They are spread-sheet shoppers, not enthusiasts and want the longest list of superior features for a reasonable, or better yet, best of the segment price or monthly payment.
i realize that, and that's likely a solid argument against AWD (much more expensive, adds weight, extra driveline loss, etc)...but an LSD isn't that expensive (i'm assuming) and would really help improve the cars handling when accelerating from a start...you can see in a few video reviews, the torque steer can get pretty bad (as expected, that's a lot of power through a FWD set up)...just feels like a missed opportunity to hit the bullseye here...pretty much every review speaks quite highly of the car, and the only thing that detracts is the awful torque steer which is somewhat defeating the purpose of putting the HiPo engine in there in the first place...as i said, i'm not saying Kia should have added the LSD and ate the cost, just add the $500 (or whatever) to the price of the car...if it's $39,995 or $40,495, it won't matter...it's "$40k" regardless...and since most people purchase using the 84 month finance option, it amounts to maybe $7/month.

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2021, 05:21:01 pm »
^^^ There is cost cutting everywhere possible to squeeze the car under 39,999 or whatever number and what you are doing is taking a Happy Meal from one of the children, once a month, for seven years to pay for something this family doesn't even know what TF they need it for  :rofl2:

A factory option, maybe. But sooner or later they will add AWD because that  is easier to up-charge for.

P.S. I will go even further and suggest that a bit of torque steer and tire chirp will be interpreted by a good salesman as a sign of a proper performance sedan and an LSD will mess everything up  ;)
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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2021, 05:26:03 pm »
^^^ There is cost cutting everywhere possible to squeeze the car under 39,999 or whatever number and what you are doing is taking a Happy Meal from one of the children, once a month, for seven years to pay for something this family doesn't even know what TF they need it for  :rofl2:

A factory option, maybe. But sooner or later they will add AWD because that  is easier to up-charge for.

Reminds me of the latest Throttle House intro  :rofl2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnWjtuImVFw

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Re: 2021-Kia Optima (K5)
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2021, 05:37:01 pm »
^^^ There is cost cutting everywhere possible to squeeze the car under 39,999 or whatever number and what you are doing is taking a Happy Meal from one of the children, once a month, for seven years to pay for something this family doesn't even know what TF they need it for  :rofl2:

A factory option, maybe. But sooner or later they will add AWD because that  is easier to up-charge for.

Reminds me of the latest Throttle House intro  :rofl2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnWjtuImVFw
:rofl: