Topic: The 2020 Toyota Camry and 2021 Avalon are getting AWD

[dirtyjeffer]

I still don't think that buying a brand new FWD CUV in this area is a great idea for resale. Everything I see proudly displays its awd badges....again, around here.

it's not as common due to solid marketing from the manufacturers, and the mentions in reviews...Corollas, Camrys and Accords have moved people by the millions in relative ease for decades...but all of a sudden, we need AWD or we'll end up dead...i have never been stuck in the snow...ever...and i've only had winter tires for the past couple of vehicles...i've also had a few RWD cars in the mix...i've also driven in snow so deep, it was plowing at the front and i could feel it being compacted under the car through the floor.

winter tires and driving according to the conditions is all you need...yes, AWD is nice, but to be honest, all i've found it does (and winter tires to a degree) is make you drive faster than you should be based on the conditions.

[Fobroader]

I still don't think that buying a brand new FWD CUV in this area is a great idea for resale. Everything I see proudly displays its awd badges....again, around here.

it's not as common due to solid marketing from the manufacturers, and the mentions in reviews...Corollas, Camrys and Accords have moved people by the millions in relative ease for decades...but all of a sudden, we need AWD or we'll end up dead...i have never been stuck in the snow...ever...and i've only had winter tires for the past couple of vehicles...i've also had a few RWD cars in the mix...i've also driven in snow so deep, it was plowing at the front and i could feel it being compacted under the car through the floor.

winter tires and driving according to the conditions is all you need...yes, AWD is nice, but to be honest, all i've found it does (and winter tires to a degree) is make you drive faster than you should be based on the conditions.

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

[OliverD]

I still don't think that buying a brand new FWD CUV in this area is a great idea for resale. Everything I see proudly displays its awd badges....again, around here.

it's not as common due to solid marketing from the manufacturers, and the mentions in reviews...Corollas, Camrys and Accords have moved people by the millions in relative ease for decades...but all of a sudden, we need AWD or we'll end up dead...i have never been stuck in the snow...ever...and i've only had winter tires for the past couple of vehicles...i've also had a few RWD cars in the mix...i've also driven in snow so deep, it was plowing at the front and i could feel it being compacted under the car through the floor.

winter tires and driving according to the conditions is all you need...yes, AWD is nice, but to be honest, all i've found it does (and winter tires to a degree) is make you drive faster than you should be based on the conditions.

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

Those compromises aren't nearly as bad as they used to be.

[dirtyjeffer]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

People do it.  Two close co-workers of mine have FWD CUV's.  One has a 10 year old Escape, and the other a 4 year old Edge.  Neither run winter tires. 

[Fobroader]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

[ktm525]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

I agree but we don't live in the GTA

[Fobroader]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

I agree but we don't live in the GTA

Oh I would drive a smart car and rock a feather boa in that case 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

So, why the hell aren't you driving a Wrangler Rubicon, then, instead of your plain jane Wrangler?  If that's really the theory to which you subscribe....

[Fobroader]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

So, why the hell aren't you driving a Wrangler Rubicon, then, instead of your plain jane Wrangler?  If that's really the theory to which you subscribe....

Wife bought it before I met her...I would have steered her towards a Sahara.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

So, why the hell aren't you driving a Wrangler Rubicon, then, instead of your plain jane Wrangler?  If that's really the theory to which you subscribe....

Wife bought it before I met her...I would have steered her towards a Sahara.

But even a Sahara doesn't have all the traction adding devices that a Rubicon does.  Are you telling me that it's possible that you would make some concessions when it comes to all out capability?

[dirtyjeffer]

Wife bought it before I met her...I would have steered her towards a Sahara.

Sahara??...so the woman's Jeep.   

using your logic, Rubicon or STFU. 

[Ex-airbalancer]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

So, why the hell aren't you driving a Wrangler Rubicon, then, instead of your plain jane Wrangler?  If that's really the theory to which you subscribe....

It

He is all about “ do as I say , not as I do “ 

[dirtyjeffer]

People do it.  Two close co-workers of mine have FWD CUV's.  One has a 10 year old Escape, and the other a 4 year old Edge.  Neither run winter tires.

my parents did it when they bought their Equinox last year...if it had AWD, fine, but you could still get a well equipped unit with all the features they wanted in FWD, so that was nice...also helped keep the price down by a couple of grand.

[Fobroader]

Wife bought it before I met her...I would have steered her towards a Sahara.

Sahara??...so the woman's Jeep.   

using your logic, Rubicon or STFU. 

Why, it doesn't have a better interior, engine or anything. If it was for me, absolutely I would go Rubicon.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

People do it.  Two close co-workers of mine have FWD CUV's.  One has a 10 year old Escape, and the other a 4 year old Edge.  Neither run winter tires.

my parents did it when they bought their Equinox last year...if it had AWD, fine, but you could still get a well equipped unit with all the features they wanted in FWD, so that was nice...also helped keep the price down by a couple of grand.

Some people just want a box with a raised ride height and upright seating.  They couldn't give two whits about AWD. 

I would personally go with the AWD option if given the option, but that's me. 

[dirtyjeffer]

Wife bought it before I met her...I would have steered her towards a Sahara.

Sahara??...so the woman's Jeep.   

using your logic, Rubicon or STFU. 

Why, it doesn't have a better interior, engine or anything. If it was for me, absolutely I would go Rubicon.

why is the Rubicon a few grand more than the Sahara?

[Fobroader]

Why bother with the poor handling, gas mileage, looks, and size of a CUV to not have AWD??

why not buy the FWD version to save weight (better handling?), save money on purchase and possible repairs, get better gas mileage, get a higher seating position, make it easier to get in and out of and still get decent store space.

I'm with the mindset of if there is a bigger engine, get that, if there is awd, get that, if there is a better stereo, yes please, upgraded interior, foh shizzle. For the extra traction in the winter, the AWD is a no brainer.

So, why the hell aren't you driving a Wrangler Rubicon, then, instead of your plain jane Wrangler?  If that's really the theory to which you subscribe....

Wife bought it before I met her...I would have steered her towards a Sahara.

But even a Sahara doesn't have all the traction adding devices that a Rubicon does.  Are you telling me that it's possible that you would make some concessions when it comes to all out capability?

Locked axles won't work on the road. I wouldn't, if I got a JL or Gladiator tomorrow, it would be Rubicon, flat out.

[dirtyjeffer]

People do it.  Two close co-workers of mine have FWD CUV's.  One has a 10 year old Escape, and the other a 4 year old Edge.  Neither run winter tires.

my parents did it when they bought their Equinox last year...if it had AWD, fine, but you could still get a well equipped unit with all the features they wanted in FWD, so that was nice...also helped keep the price down by a couple of grand.

Some people just want a box with a raised ride height and upright seating.  They couldn't give two whits about AWD. 

I would personally go with the AWD option if given the option, but that's me.

exactly.

i have nothing against AWD, but i'm not stuck on it either.

[Fobroader]

Wife bought it before I met her...I would have steered her towards a Sahara.

Sahara??...so the woman's Jeep.   

using your logic, Rubicon or STFU. 

Why, it doesn't have a better interior, engine or anything. If it was for me, absolutely I would go Rubicon.

why is the Rubicon a few grand more than the Sahara?

Locking axles, skid plates, disconnecting sway bar....but the engine, interior and such stays the same.