Topic: Car & Driver and their long term Alfa Romeo Giulia

[revalations]

Yikes! Spent over 80 days in the shop! I haven't read a C&D long term test this bad since the 1982 Z28 they had that ate trannys and rear diffs. Too bad, its such a stunning car and a wicked performer.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23145269/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-reliability-update/?utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1jz5DtfWpZ8YbjnesgdefzPzzLdzj8Z6uA5S0bbj1pGfl2TWJ_KCtJx7U

[Jaeger]

I cut ZeRo slack for style and performance when the car is otherwise objectively a piece of junk. 

[HeliDriver]

I don’t think it’s fair to say they had to park it for 30 days for that differential issue. Okay, so it’s noisy: order the replacement and keep driving it in the meantime. If it blows up, then you park it.

And all the rest of the stuff? Just sensors and annoying electrical glitches, nothing I’d find overly alarming. And I guess those other 50 shop days were just waiting for parts or they couldn’t get an appointment at the dealer?

Correct me if I missed it, but aside from the noisy diff, the worst actual problem was that they couldn’t engage sport mode or whatever, but the car was still perfectly drivable. And it said the oil level was low when it wasn’t (is there a dipstick to double check?)

Yeah, it sucks. But I don’t know why a normal person would have to park the car for any of that.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

It is very pretty in a way only the Italians can pull off.

Reliability-wise, I think if it was a vehicle in a stable, and not a DD, then it's okay.  If it spends time at the shop, it's not like it's putting you out.  And, if the Giulia QV fails in NA and is pulled, then it may even appreciate in value over time, due to scarcity.

But, would you really want to gamble on that?  You may end up with a car that you really haven't driven all that much, and yet it has depreciated like all the rest.

And, can you say you're surprised about the reliability?  It's Italian...

[EV-Light]

Sounds like my Fiat experience....total sxxx show.


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[ChaosphereIX]

I don’t think it’s fair to say they had to park it for 30 days for that differential issue. Okay, so it’s noisy: order the replacement and keep driving it in the meantime. If it blows up, then you park it.

And all the rest of the stuff? Just sensors and annoying electrical glitches, nothing I’d find overly alarming. And I guess those other 50 shop days were just waiting for parts or they couldn’t get an appointment at the dealer?

Correct me if I missed it, but aside from the noisy diff, the worst actual problem was that they couldn’t engage sport mode or whatever, but the car was still perfectly drivable. And it said the oil level was low when it wasn’t (is there a dipstick to double check?)

Yeah, it sucks. But I don’t know why a normal person would have to park the car for any of that.

Agreed. As someone who works in a parts shop at a dealer, and as someone who has an Italian and German/Brit car, the worst problem is waiting on parts. A lot of time they just are not local...especially something like a diff or some odd sensor (especially if they are failing on other cars too).

This C&D thing seems a little much, obviously the car is no Lexus but it is not the end of the world to have a noisy diff and some electrical glitches.

[rrocket]

I don’t think it’s fair to say they had to park it for 30 days for that differential issue. Okay, so it’s noisy: order the replacement and keep driving it in the meantime. If it blows up, then you park it.

I'd park it..no question. I've seen differentials lock up when blown up. Others times it spins freely when broke.

I'd not want to roll the dice...especially if the failure happens at a decent speed.

No thanks!

[HeliDriver]

We’ve had a noisy diff in the Yukon for 2 years and around 70k km now. Noise isn’t too bad, so I just live with it. It also hasn’t gotten any worse, so I’m not too concerned. Sounds to me like the gear lash is off, but the shop thinks it’s a bearing. Dunno.

But yeah, I’ll be listening for any changes. Not worried until that happens.

I guess we don’t know how bad the Alfa’s was.

[rrocket]

We’ve had a noisy diff in the Yukon for 2 years and around 70k km now. Noise isn’t too bad, so I just live with it. It also hasn’t gotten any worse, so I’m not too concerned. Sounds to me like the gear lash is off, but the shop thinks it’s a bearing. Dunno.

But yeah, I’ll be listening for any changes. Not worried until that happens.

I guess we don’t know how bad the Alfa’s was.

I'd be less worried about a truck diff than an Alfa diff! LOL

[EV-Light]

I don’t think it’s fair to say they had to park it for 30 days for that differential issue. Okay, so it’s noisy: order the replacement and keep driving it in the meantime. If it blows up, then you park it.

And all the rest of the stuff? Just sensors and annoying electrical glitches, nothing I’d find overly alarming. And I guess those other 50 shop days were just waiting for parts or they couldn’t get an appointment at the dealer?

Correct me if I missed it, but aside from the noisy diff, the worst actual problem was that they couldn’t engage sport mode or whatever, but the car was still perfectly drivable. And it said the oil level was low when it wasn’t (is there a dipstick to double check?)

Yeah, it sucks. But I don’t know why a normal person would have to park the car for any of that.

Agreed. As someone who works in a parts shop at a dealer, and as someone who has an Italian and German/Brit car, the worst problem is waiting on parts. A lot of time they just are not local...especially something like a diff or some odd sensor (especially if they are failing on other cars too).

This C&D thing seems a little much, obviously the car is no Lexus but it is not the end of the world to have a noisy diff and some electrical glitches.

I’m sorry but I disagree with you...it’s absolutely unacceptable for a modern car to have these many issues - I would accept a couple of electronic issues that would pop up here and there but be fixed quickly.


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[ChaosphereIX]

I don’t think it’s fair to say they had to park it for 30 days for that differential issue. Okay, so it’s noisy: order the replacement and keep driving it in the meantime. If it blows up, then you park it.

And all the rest of the stuff? Just sensors and annoying electrical glitches, nothing I’d find overly alarming. And I guess those other 50 shop days were just waiting for parts or they couldn’t get an appointment at the dealer?

Correct me if I missed it, but aside from the noisy diff, the worst actual problem was that they couldn’t engage sport mode or whatever, but the car was still perfectly drivable. And it said the oil level was low when it wasn’t (is there a dipstick to double check?)

Yeah, it sucks. But I don’t know why a normal person would have to park the car for any of that.

Agreed. As someone who works in a parts shop at a dealer, and as someone who has an Italian and German/Brit car, the worst problem is waiting on parts. A lot of time they just are not local...especially something like a diff or some odd sensor (especially if they are failing on other cars too).

This C&D thing seems a little much, obviously the car is no Lexus but it is not the end of the world to have a noisy diff and some electrical glitches.

I’m sorry but I disagree with you...it’s absolutely unacceptable for a modern car to have these many issues - I would accept a couple of electronic issues that would pop up here and there but be fixed quickly.


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Again, I said the problem is the parts supply. Even with GM, it is horrible for some parts. Cars are waiting for weeks. So then it has a bit of a noisy diff, and some electrical glitches.

Working in a shop, I see no marque is really immune from issues. Some more than others, but all cars have issues. This particular Giulia could be indicative of terrible build quality for all Alfas, or it can be a Friday car. I agree it is really sad to have a brand new exotic car laid up for so long though, Alfa should have their support infrastructure improved to get these cars serviced, fixed, and back on the road asap.

[dkaz]

My Mazda stayed overnight at the dealer once because of a bad wheel bearing. I sensed a high likeliness the wheel could fall off at any time. Probably not fair to compare a simple econo car with a luxury marque but I bet chance of a Lexus having to stay overnight at a dealer in the first five years is about as slim as it can get.

[Jaeger]

I don’t think it’s fair to say they had to park it for 30 days for that differential issue. Okay, so it’s noisy: order the replacement and keep driving it in the meantime. If it blows up, then you park it.

I'd park it..no question. I've seen differentials lock up when blown up. Others times it spins freely when broke.

I'd not want to roll the dice...especially if the failure happens at a decent speed.

No thanks!

Indeed.  Pfffft differential smifferntial. 

[Jaeger]

I’m sorry but I disagree with you...it’s absolutely unacceptable for a modern car to have these many issues - I would accept a couple of electronic issues that would pop up here and there but be fixed quickly.

This.  I just don't see how looks and performance excuse absolute crap reliability.  If this was a $20k Kia basically living at the dealership for one issue after another we'd have no problem calling it a piece of junk and a piece of junk is what it would be.  The fact that this is a 6 figure premium vehicle makes its crapulence LESS excusable in my books.   

[rrocket]

I’m sorry but I disagree with you...it’s absolutely unacceptable for a modern car to have these many issues - I would accept a couple of electronic issues that would pop up here and there but be fixed quickly.

This.  I just don't see how looks and performance excuse absolute crap reliability.  If this was a $20k Kia basically living at the dealership for one issue after another we'd have no problem calling it a piece of junk and a piece of junk is what it would be.  The fact that this is a 6 figure premium vehicle makes its crapulence LESS excusable in my books.   

Tesla owners make the same excuses for their shoddy build quality and issues...

[ChaosphereIX]

I’m sorry but I disagree with you...it’s absolutely unacceptable for a modern car to have these many issues - I would accept a couple of electronic issues that would pop up here and there but be fixed quickly.

This.  I just don't see how looks and performance excuse absolute crap reliability.  If this was a $20k Kia basically living at the dealership for one issue after another we'd have no problem calling it a piece of junk and a piece of junk is what it would be.  The fact that this is a 6 figure premium vehicle makes its crapulence LESS excusable in my books.   

I hear you, but I know many QV owners who have not had one issue at all with their car. Car has been perfect. As is always the case with these things...

[Jaeger]

I’m sorry but I disagree with you...it’s absolutely unacceptable for a modern car to have these many issues - I would accept a couple of electronic issues that would pop up here and there but be fixed quickly.

This.  I just don't see how looks and performance excuse absolute crap reliability.  If this was a $20k Kia basically living at the dealership for one issue after another we'd have no problem calling it a piece of junk and a piece of junk is what it would be.  The fact that this is a 6 figure premium vehicle makes its crapulence LESS excusable in my books.   

I hear you, but I know many QV owners who have not had one issue at all with their car. Car has been perfect. As is always the case with these things...

Except if you look at the body of reviews the C/D experience clearly isn't the outlier. I mean, when these things first came out and a bunch of them hit the press fleet, a bunch of those did not even make it through their initial test before a flatbed had to be summoned. Cars are machines. THE primary measure of quality in any machine is how reliably and repeatably and predictably it performs its tasks. The QV may be rolling Viagra to some. As a machine, it is crap. I hope anyone who gets one of these is smart enough to lease.

[rrocket]

I’m sorry but I disagree with you...it’s absolutely unacceptable for a modern car to have these many issues - I would accept a couple of electronic issues that would pop up here and there but be fixed quickly.

This.  I just don't see how looks and performance excuse absolute crap reliability.  If this was a $20k Kia basically living at the dealership for one issue after another we'd have no problem calling it a piece of junk and a piece of junk is what it would be.  The fact that this is a 6 figure premium vehicle makes its crapulence LESS excusable in my books.   

I hear you, but I know many QV owners who have not had one issue at all with their car. Car has been perfect. As is always the case with these things...

Weird that all the magazines seem to get the lemons then, right?

[mlin32]

Motortrend's Giulia seems to be running better than Car and Driver's Long termer did.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2018/2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-sport-review-long-term-update-6/

[z973]

Motortrend's Giulia seems to be running better than Car and Driver's Long termer did.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2018/2018-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-sport-review-long-term-update-6/

you are comparing the regular model to the high performance one its not the same