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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2019, 07:45:20 pm »
If we use sales to gauge success, the Golf is failing...I bet most people just walk up to the dealer and end up buying a Tiguan


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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2019, 07:50:04 pm »
If we use sales to gauge success, the Golf is failing...I bet most people just walk up to the dealer and end up buying a Tiguan


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Buddy of mine went from a GLI to a GTI to now a Tiguan...
That's a shame. Unless he has kids now, in that case I understand.

Nah, he has one kid who's almost a teen, but he's had that one kid through both his GLI and his GTI.  He leases his cars for 4 years.  Next time I see him, I'll ask him why he went Tiguan this time around.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2019, 07:56:27 pm »
Sigh.  This happens every time a loaded compact is reviewed.

$30+ grand for that? I can buy a base CUV for that!

The base model is pretty well equipped, and a hell of a lot cheaper.  The mid range (previous Comfortline, not sure what's it's called now) is the sweet spot, and a decent value.

The top model Golf has always been pricey for the features you get, IMO.

All of this is moot. The best Golf is the 4-Motion Wagon with a manual.  You get the same ride/handling/interior but better looks and more space.  You also still get the 1.8T, though it comes with a pretty big jump in fuel consumption. Pick a trim that suits your wants.
I agree. If I was buying a golf it would be a wagon awd or the new alltrack highline for $31,xxx. Imo the 1.4L makes the golf feel less premium especially as a highway driver.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2019, 11:17:04 pm »
Noticed that you can build a base GTI for about the same price as the Execline Golf.

Manual $30,845 / DSG $32,245


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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2019, 11:26:26 pm »
Noticed that you can build a base GTI for about the same price as the Execline Golf.

Manual $30,845 / DSG $32,245
yup, even the mid-trim "Rabbit" model, which is nicely equipped, is $37,709 including freight and fees...so, only a couple grand more than this tested one.
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Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2019, 11:26:30 pm »
Cars like the Golf do get shopped against the CUVs and the market shows that people prefer CUVs.

I’d much prefer an awd wagon of some sort over a RAV, but sales numbers show I’m not in the majority.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2019, 03:42:42 pm »
I think it's time to stop bitching about the downsized engine.

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This is not a sad story. While those output losses are not negligible, they have been largely offset by new transmissions with additional gears. A standard six-speed manual—finally!—or optional eight-speed automatic has replaced the 2018 Golf's five-speed stick and six-speed autobox. Furthermore, as is the case with the Golf's sedan counterpart, the 2019 Jetta, the aluminum-block 1.4-liter contributes not just to a marked improvement in fuel economy but a reduction in curb weight compared to the iron-block 1.8. Our base-model Golf S, equipped with no options other than the $1100 automatic transmission, weighed a scant 2918 pounds—less than any Golf we've tested since a two-door model back in 2010.

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Those factors helped the Golf achieve its highest fuel-economy ratings of any gasoline-powered Golf yet, with an EPA-estimated 32 mpg combined for the 2019 models (automatic or manual) compared to 28 mpg for the automatic-equipped 2018 Golf and 29 mpg for the 2018 manual. We got very close to that combined number over nearly 900 miles of driving, averaging 31 mpg overall. And on our 75-mph highway test loop, we saw 43 mpg, beating the EPA highway estimate by a huge 6 mpg.

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Even better, despite the loss of power and torque, acceleration from a stop keeps pace with the last automatic-equipped Golf we tested, a 2018 Golf SE. The 2019 car reached 60 mph in 7.6 seconds (versus 7.7 for the 2018 model) and matched its predecessor in the quarter-mile at 15.9 seconds, its 88-mph trap speed lower by 1 mph. During passing exercises, the smaller engine's relative weakness is more apparent, as it needs 4.3 seconds to go from 30 to 50 mph, 0.6 second longer than before, and 5.4 seconds to hustle from 50 to 70 mph, a 0.2-second increase. That said, while there's not much power, neither is there much lag in its delivery. Overall, we'd characterize the new turbo four's output as sufficient.

As with most other modestly powered cars, the 2019 Golf had us hammering the gas pedal pretty often during everyday driving. But unlike most other modestly powered cars, the engine didn't thrash and scream in protest when we did so. Nor did it boom at low rpm, as we observed in Golfs with the 1.8-liter and automatic combo. Only at the very upper reaches of the rev band does it start getting loud. Generally, the 1.4T is uncannily smooth and quiet in most of its operating range—a few times we had to check the tachometer at stoplights to see if it was running.

https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2019, 07:51:43 pm »
One of these would be at the top of my shopping list if I was in the market for a car like this. These cars just feel better than the competition & age more gracefully inside & out as well. No gimmicks, or bold styling that loses its appeal quickly inside & out.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2019, 07:55:03 pm »
I get the GTI and the Golf R. Respect them even.

But I always thought (and still do) that the basic Golfs are a turd given the price.
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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2019, 08:05:00 pm »
I get the GTI and the Golf R. Respect them even.

But I always thought (and still do) that the basic Golfs are a turd given the price.

Why?

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2019, 10:30:56 am »
I think it's time to stop bitching about the downsized engine.

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This is not a sad story. While those output losses are not negligible, they have been largely offset by new transmissions with additional gears. A standard six-speed manual—finally!—or optional eight-speed automatic has replaced the 2018 Golf's five-speed stick and six-speed autobox. Furthermore, as is the case with the Golf's sedan counterpart, the 2019 Jetta, the aluminum-block 1.4-liter contributes not just to a marked improvement in fuel economy but a reduction in curb weight compared to the iron-block 1.8. Our base-model Golf S, equipped with no options other than the $1100 automatic transmission, weighed a scant 2918 pounds—less than any Golf we've tested since a two-door model back in 2010.

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Those factors helped the Golf achieve its highest fuel-economy ratings of any gasoline-powered Golf yet, with an EPA-estimated 32 mpg combined for the 2019 models (automatic or manual) compared to 28 mpg for the automatic-equipped 2018 Golf and 29 mpg for the 2018 manual. We got very close to that combined number over nearly 900 miles of driving, averaging 31 mpg overall. And on our 75-mph highway test loop, we saw 43 mpg, beating the EPA highway estimate by a huge 6 mpg.

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Even better, despite the loss of power and torque, acceleration from a stop keeps pace with the last automatic-equipped Golf we tested, a 2018 Golf SE. The 2019 car reached 60 mph in 7.6 seconds (versus 7.7 for the 2018 model) and matched its predecessor in the quarter-mile at 15.9 seconds, its 88-mph trap speed lower by 1 mph. During passing exercises, the smaller engine's relative weakness is more apparent, as it needs 4.3 seconds to go from 30 to 50 mph, 0.6 second longer than before, and 5.4 seconds to hustle from 50 to 70 mph, a 0.2-second increase. That said, while there's not much power, neither is there much lag in its delivery. Overall, we'd characterize the new turbo four's output as sufficient.

As with most other modestly powered cars, the 2019 Golf had us hammering the gas pedal pretty often during everyday driving. But unlike most other modestly powered cars, the engine didn't thrash and scream in protest when we did so. Nor did it boom at low rpm, as we observed in Golfs with the 1.8-liter and automatic combo. Only at the very upper reaches of the rev band does it start getting loud. Generally, the 1.4T is uncannily smooth and quiet in most of its operating range—a few times we had to check the tachometer at stoplights to see if it was running.

https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf

Isn't that basically what that Jeff guy said in the story?  That there's nothing to worry about with the 1.4?   ;)


Noticed that you can build a base GTI for about the same price as the Execline Golf.

Manual $30,845 / DSG $32,245

I think he also mentioned that, too.   ;D
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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2019, 10:32:42 am »

The lights in the interior that can't be switched off mentioned in the review are part of the ambient mood lighting .



Nope.  I'm familiar with the ambient lighting.  These are the overhead reading lights.  They're quite bright and quite distracting while driving.

As it happens, I mentioned it to VW and they did some combination of pushing buttons up front and back by the lights and managed to get them to shut off, proving that either a) the owners' manual isn't as user friendly as it should be or b) (more likely), I'm an idiot.   ;D

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2019, 10:39:42 am »
Isn't that basically what that Jeff guy said in the story?  That there's nothing to worry about with the 1.4?   ;)

Yes, but I added some test data to back up your argument.  :)

I don't think it would be a terrible idea for VW to offer the Passat/Tiguan 2.0T in the top of the line Golf and Jetta though.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2019, 10:58:20 am »
Isn't that basically what that Jeff guy said in the story?  That there's nothing to worry about with the 1.4?   ;)

Yes, but I added some test data to back up your argument.  :)

I don't think it would be a terrible idea for VW to offer the Passat/Tiguan 2.0T in the top of the line Golf and Jetta though.
I agree, that would give the top trims a nice bump in power over the base trims.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2019, 11:04:21 am »
Isn't that basically what that Jeff guy said in the story?  That there's nothing to worry about with the 1.4?   ;)

Yes, but I added some test data to back up your argument.  :)

I don't think it would be a terrible idea for VW to offer the Passat/Tiguan 2.0T in the top of the line Golf and Jetta though.
I agree, that would give the top trims a nice bump in power over the base trims.

They already do that.  It's called a GTI...

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2019, 11:30:59 am »
Isn't that basically what that Jeff guy said in the story?  That there's nothing to worry about with the 1.4?   ;)

Yes, but I added some test data to back up your argument.  :)

I don't think it would be a terrible idea for VW to offer the Passat/Tiguan 2.0T in the top of the line Golf and Jetta though.
I agree, that would give the top trims a nice bump in power over the base trims.

They already do that.  It's called a GTI...

No, that's a very different engine. The 2.0T in the Passat and Tiguan has less power and is more fuel efficient than the 2.0T in the GTI.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Volkswagen Golf
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2019, 11:34:24 am »
Isn't that basically what that Jeff guy said in the story?  That there's nothing to worry about with the 1.4?   ;)

Yes, but I added some test data to back up your argument.  :)

I don't think it would be a terrible idea for VW to offer the Passat/Tiguan 2.0T in the top of the line Golf and Jetta though.
I agree, that would give the top trims a nice bump in power over the base trims.

They already do that.  It's called a GTI...

No, that's a very different engine. The 2.0T in the Passat and Tiguan has less power and is more fuel efficient than the 2.0T in the GTI.
Plus not everyone wants GTI suspension.