Topic: Preview: 2020 Toyota Supra

[rrocket]

Will the Toyots badge alone make this thing more reliable? Bet Ron says yes.

No, I've said the opposite, actually.

And is one of the reasons I suspect Toyota de-tuned the I6 to 335HP vs BMWs 380HP.....didn't meet their reliability/longevity criteria during testing.

And if it's like every other BMW I6, it's going to need main bearings guaranteed at some point.

Fortunately, they'll sell so few it shouldn't reflect too bad on the brands overall reliability.   

But from a Supra lover perspective...will you be able to pull 600+ HP with just bolt ons from the BMW platform and have years of trouble free use on even high mileage cars/severe use cars?  Ummmmm.....NO!

i often thought that BMW should really make the motor rebuild a part of their regular maintenance.

things fail so regularly, and i mean on schedule, that might as well make it into a scheduled maintenance.  of course out of warranty.

Toyota now has perfect opportunity to make it a thing!!!
bring the Engine out service a thing for plebs again, not just for ferraris and lambos!!!

Have you looked into your main bearings and/or replacement for your M3?

[Jaeger]

Will the Toyots badge alone make this thing more reliable? Bet Ron says yes.

No, I've said the opposite, actually.

And is one of the reasons I suspect Toyota de-tuned the I6 to 335HP vs BMWs 380HP.....didn't meet their reliability/longevity criteria during testing.

And if it's like every other BMW I6, it's going to need main bearings guaranteed at some point.

Fortunately, they'll sell so few it shouldn't reflect too bad on the brands overall reliability.   

But from a Supra lover perspective...will you be able to pull 600+ HP with just bolt ons from the BMW platform and have years of trouble free use on even high mileage cars/severe use cars?  Ummmmm.....NO!

i often thought that BMW should really make the motor rebuild a part of their regular maintenance.

things fail so regularly, and i mean on schedule, that might as well make it into a scheduled maintenance.  of course out of warranty.

Toyota now has perfect opportunity to make it a thing!!!
bring the Engine out service a thing for plebs again, not just for ferraris and lambos!!!

Well if they had made an actual Toyota, that wouldn't be necessary.  Oh well - I'll keep dreaming of a used GS-F in my future.  Or a used 370z

[rrocket]

Well if they had made an actual Toyota, that wouldn't be necessary.  Oh well - I'll keep dreaming of a used GS-F in my future.  Or a used 370z

So much this!

I'd take an LC500 in lieu of a 370Z though!  Will likely be easier to find than a GS-F too!

[quadzilla]

Will likely be easier to find than a GS-F too!

I can't remember the last time I saw a used GS-F up for sale.

[Jaeger]

Well if they had made an actual Toyota, that wouldn't be necessary.  Oh well - I'll keep dreaming of a used GS-F in my future.  Or a used 370z

So much this!

I'd take an LC500 in lieu of a 370Z though!  Will likely be easier to find than a GS-F too!

Truth.

[rrocket]

Will likely be easier to find than a GS-F too!

I can't remember the last time I saw a used GS-F up for sale.

Keeper, IMO.  I've seen ONE used one.

IS-F are scarce too.  They only sold ~500 here total.  They only sold 64 in my model year in Canada.

[quadzilla]

There are around 6 used RC F's in Ontario.

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[rrocket]

There are around 6 used RC F's in Ontario.

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I don't mind them....but they are significantly heavier than the IS-F...so much of the advantage of the extra horsepower is negated.

They just came out with the Track Edition RC-F...but even that is heaver.

But geez...I sure do like that engine, the interior, etc.  I'm  "OK" with the styling...but don't love it.

[Seafoam]

Actually model year 1986.    Almost bought one. It was between the celica ,gti and prelude. The prelude won.

And when did that 1986 model go on sale?  I specified 1985 because model years don't mean nearly as much outside of North America.

August 1985.   My 1990 miata was manufactured in oct of 1989.  I still call it 1990 miata.

[OliverD]

Will the Toyots badge alone make this thing more reliable? Bet Ron says yes.

No, I've said the opposite, actually.

And is one of the reasons I suspect Toyota de-tuned the I6 to 335HP vs BMWs 380HP.....didn't meet their reliability/longevity criteria during testing.

And if it's like every other BMW I6, it's going to need main bearings guaranteed at some point.

Fortunately, they'll sell so few it shouldn't reflect too bad on the brands overall reliability.   

But from a Supra lover perspective...will you be able to pull 600+ HP with just bolt ons from the BMW platform and have years of trouble free use on even high mileage cars/severe use cars?  Ummmmm.....NO!

They didn't detune the engine. 335 hp is how much the B58B30M1 makes, and it's used by the Euro Z4 and M340i, as well as by all X5 and X7 40i models.

The more powerful Z4 uses the B58B30O1 only in countries that don't have EU emissions standards. Same with the M340i.

Could be a cost thing, since they would have to use that engine in the EU anyways. One less build combination.

[OliverD]

Actually model year 1986.    Almost bought one. It was between the celica ,gti and prelude. The prelude won.

And when did that 1986 model go on sale?  I specified 1985 because model years don't mean nearly as much outside of North America.

August 1985.   My 1990 miata was manufactured in oct of 1989.  I still call it 1990 miata.

Doesn't change the fact that the Miata came out in 1989. 

[OliverD]

And it's a proper sports car.

Has this been confirmed yet? Who has driven it?

First drives were out in the fall.

[rrocket]

Will the Toyots badge alone make this thing more reliable? Bet Ron says yes.

No, I've said the opposite, actually.

And is one of the reasons I suspect Toyota de-tuned the I6 to 335HP vs BMWs 380HP.....didn't meet their reliability/longevity criteria during testing.

And if it's like every other BMW I6, it's going to need main bearings guaranteed at some point.

Fortunately, they'll sell so few it shouldn't reflect too bad on the brands overall reliability.   

But from a Supra lover perspective...will you be able to pull 600+ HP with just bolt ons from the BMW platform and have years of trouble free use on even high mileage cars/severe use cars?  Ummmmm.....NO!

They didn't detune the engine. 335 hp is how much the B58B30M1 makes, and it's used by the Euro Z4 and M340i, as well as by all X5 and X7 40i models.

The more powerful Z4 uses the B58B30O1 only in countries that don't have EU emissions standards. Same with the M340i.

Could be a cost thing, since they would have to use that engine in the EU anyways. One less build combination.

More info:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a26064082/toyota-supra-bmw-z4-engines/

[Arthur Dent]

So the 86 is a Subaru, the Supra is a BMW, and now the Yaris is a Mazda 

[OliverD]

So the 86 is a Subaru, the Supra is a BMW, and now the Yaris is a Mazda 

The Yaris sedan has been a Mazda for a bit now. 

[OliverD]

Now there's a rumour that the next Lexus IS will also have the BMW straight six turbo: https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/21/lexus-is-bmw-straight-six-engine/

[Sir Osis of Liver]

WTF Toyota?

[dkaz]

YESSSSS the real IS (Inline Six) is back!

[EV Dan]

WTF Toyota?

Sounds like they didn't feel like developing an in-house turbo V6... which is weird since they have an I4 turbo already (so they know how to turbo an engine) as well as an excellent 3.5L D4-S, whose DI tech is probably superior to a lot of engines out there. Strange decision indeed. I hope it's just a rumour.
P.s. I think the new LS has a V6 turbo, so why not de-tune that for the IS?

[OliverD]

WTF Toyota?

Sounds like they didn't feel like developing an in-house turbo V6... which is weird since they have an I4 turbo already (so they know how to turbo an engine) as well as an excellent 3.5L D4-S, whose DI tech is probably superior to a lot of engines out there. Strange decision indeed. I hope it's just a rumour.
P.s. I think the new LS has a V6 turbo, so why not de-tune that for the IS?

Should have read the article.  It says that the IS F will use the TTV6 from the new LS.