Topic: Wagons Ho!

[Railton]

Owned once 2 Saturn SW2: my 2000 with ION alloys was the one with a stick, my 2001 the one with roof rack, automatic.

I missed the practicality of the wagon, a hatchback like my Volt is close but not as good.
Polymer body panels were brillant: not worrying much about parking digs.
Still hope on day for an AWD wagon with polymer & a plug (I mean full EV, not PHEV)...

To this day I wonder what the difference was between the SW1 and SW2...

^^Single cam vs dual cam motors.
Railton

[Seafoam]

Owned once 2 Saturn SW2: my 2000 with ION alloys was the one with a stick, my 2001 the one with roof rack, automatic.

I missed the practicality of the wagon, a hatchback like my Volt is close but not as good.
Polymer body panels were brillant: not worrying much about parking digs.
Still hope on day for an AWD wagon with polymer & a plug (I mean full EV, not PHEV)...

To this day I wonder what the difference was between the SW1 and SW2...

SW1 had the single cam base motor while the SW2 had the twin cam motor.
W stands for wagon.

[Mike]

This article has been making the rounds but it's a bit misleading. Literally all of that growth has come from the Subaru Outback. In 2018 it had 84% of the U.S. wagon market.

The article says the wagon market grew by 29% in five years, but Outback sales grew by 51% in that same time period – meaning that if we exclude the Outback from the equation, wagon sales are actually down 28%.

So the real story is, despite the fact that other wagons are not doing well, the Outback is hugely successful.

Not to mention wagon sales are certainly down from 2017 because the Golf wagon is down by about 12,000 units and the Outback is down by 10,000 units.

Yup, there is a lot wrong in this article. The wagon market share has decreased year over year for the past five years. It is not growing in market, it's just up in sales as overall car sales are up in sales.

And the article states people are buying wagons over crossovers, yet the graph in the original article shows that the crossover market is increasing far faster as is the premium crossover market. The article is more wishful thinking than fact.

[ktm525]

Wagons are a niche market for sure. Fact of the matter is CUV/SUVs are better wagons than wagons. The market has definitely spoken. The idea of some young dad throwing his uber wago into a high G sweeper with his family aboard is just such fantasy...lol

[JG20]

Wagons are a niche market for sure. Fact of the matter is CUV/SUVs are better wagons than wagons. The market has definitely spoken. The idea of some young dad throwing his uber wago into a high G sweeper with his family aboard is just such fantasy...lol

Not so young dad here but I do that with the STI and the Mazda5 regularly. Kid loves it, wife, not so much  .  Would totally do it in a wagon 

One time, we were heading to a family party in the Mazda5 with my in-laws driving behind me.  We were running late so rushing a bit.  When we got to the party, my father-in-laws says to me he's never seen a van go on 3 wheels going around a corner before.  The inside rear wheel was lifting up going around one sharp corner, lol.

(Hint, hint, Mike, bring the Levorg over!)

[ktm525]

Wagons are a niche market for sure. Fact of the matter is CUV/SUVs are better wagons than wagons. The market has definitely spoken. The idea of some young dad throwing his uber wago into a high G sweeper with his family aboard is just such fantasy...lol

Not so young dad here but I do that with the STI and the Mazda5 regularly. Kid loves it, wife, not so much  .  Would totally do it in a wagon 

One time, we were heading to a family party in the Mazda5 with my in-laws driving behind me.  We were running late so rushing a bit.  When we got to the party, my father-in-laws says to me he's never seen a van go on 3 wheels going around a corner before.  The inside rear wheel was lifting up going around one sharp corner, lol.

(Hint, hint, Mike, bring the Levorg over!)

Yeah I get it but get caught pulling that stunt with todays uber state enforcement and watch your car get impounded immediately, mandatory court date and your family standing by the roadside (looking at you B.C.) . Fun times.

[JG20]

Wagons are a niche market for sure. Fact of the matter is CUV/SUVs are better wagons than wagons. The market has definitely spoken. The idea of some young dad throwing his uber wago into a high G sweeper with his family aboard is just such fantasy...lol

Not so young dad here but I do that with the STI and the Mazda5 regularly. Kid loves it, wife, not so much  .  Would totally do it in a wagon 

One time, we were heading to a family party in the Mazda5 with my in-laws driving behind me.  We were running late so rushing a bit.  When we got to the party, my father-in-laws says to me he's never seen a van go on 3 wheels going around a corner before.  The inside rear wheel was lifting up going around one sharp corner, lol.

(Hint, hint, Mike, bring the Levorg over!)

Yeah I get it but get caught pulling that stunt with todays uber state enforcement and watch your car get impounded immediately, mandatory court date and your family standing by the roadside (looking at you B.C.) . Fun times.

Dude, don't get me started on the impound (see my thread https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=99190.0).

Anyway, the 3 wheel thing was a one time thing.  I just meant that having the family with you doesn't necessarily mean no more spirited driving.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Wagons are a niche market for sure. Fact of the matter is CUV/SUVs are better wagons than wagons. The market has definitely spoken. The idea of some young dad throwing his uber wago into a high G sweeper with his family aboard is just such fantasy...lol

Not so young dad here but I do that with the STI and the Mazda5 regularly. Kid loves it, wife, not so much  .  Would totally do it in a wagon 

One time, we were heading to a family party in the Mazda5 with my in-laws driving behind me.  We were running late so rushing a bit.  When we got to the party, my father-in-laws says to me he's never seen a van go on 3 wheels going around a corner before.  The inside rear wheel was lifting up going around one sharp corner, lol.

(Hint, hint, Mike, bring the Levorg over!)

Yeah I get it but get caught pulling that stunt with todays uber state enforcement and watch your car get impounded immediately, mandatory court date and your family standing by the roadside (looking at you B.C.) . Fun times.

Dude, don't get me started on the impound (see my thread https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=99190.0).

Anyway, the 3 wheel thing was a one time thing.  I just meant that having the family with you doesn't necessarily mean no more spirited driving.

 

[dkaz]

Wagons are a niche market for sure. Fact of the matter is CUV/SUVs are better wagons than wagons. The market has definitely spoken. The idea of some young dad throwing his uber wago into a high G sweeper with his family aboard is just such fantasy...lol

Not so young dad here but I do that with the STI and the Mazda5 regularly. Kid loves it, wife, not so much  .  Would totally do it in a wagon 

One time, we were heading to a family party in the Mazda5 with my in-laws driving behind me.  We were running late so rushing a bit.  When we got to the party, my father-in-laws says to me he's never seen a van go on 3 wheels going around a corner before.  The inside rear wheel was lifting up going around one sharp corner, lol.

(Hint, hint, Mike, bring the Levorg over!)

Yeah I get it but get caught pulling that stunt with todays uber state enforcement and watch your car get impounded immediately, mandatory court date and your family standing by the roadside (looking at you B.C.) . Fun times.

The guy chose to go more than 40 km/h over the speed limit to try to pass a trailer, he should've waited for the next passing lane.

[me_2]

Owned once 2 Saturn SW2: my 2000 with ION alloys was the one with a stick, my 2001 the one with roof rack, automatic.

I missed the practicality of the wagon, a hatchback like my Volt is close but not as good.
Polymer body panels were brillant: not worrying much about parking digs.
Still hope on day for an AWD wagon with polymer & a plug (I mean full EV, not PHEV)...

To this day I wonder what the difference was between the SW1 and SW2...

SW1 had the single cam base motor while the SW2 had the twin cam motor.
W stands for wagon.

Correct.
SOHC 100hp (74.5kW) @ 5000rpm 114 Lb-ft (155Nm) @ 2400rpm, SW1 1086/1100 Kg* man/auto
DOHC 124hp (93.0kW) @ 5600rpm 122 Lb-ft (165Nm) @ 4800rpm, SW2 1114/1129 Kg* man/auto *1998 Cdn brochure

[ktm525]

Some nice saturn pics there.

[Mike-NB]

I'd declare that I'm coming out of the closet on this issue but I can't since I've never been in the closet on this issue:  I'm a wagon fan.  The Mazda 6 wagon or the Fusion (Mondeo) wagon would be in my garage now if they were available. 

[ktm525]

I'd declare that I'm coming out of the closet on this issue but I can't since I've never been in the closet on this issue:  I'm a wagon fan.  The Mazda 6 wagon or the Fusion (Mondeo) wagon would be in my garage now if they were available.

They are not available? The interwebs is full of them. The only thing holding you back is you.

[KD]

I'd declare that I'm coming out of the closet on this issue but I can't since I've never been in the closet on this issue:  I'm a wagon fan.  The Mazda 6 wagon or the Fusion (Mondeo) wagon would be in my garage now if they were available.

How about a Buick?

[ktm525]

CTS V wagon

[EV Dan]

Kia Ceed

[ktm525]

Looks kinds plain. Perhaps they could lift it a bit and add some outdoorsy cladding?

[EV Dan]

Looks kinds plain. Perhaps they could lift it a bit and add some outdoorsy cladding?

So, make it more Sport-age? 
The trunk finishing looks very clean and German-like in quality and there are even 2 (!) subwoofers in there.

[mlin32]

Looks kinds plain. Perhaps they could lift it a bit and add some outdoorsy cladding?

So, make it more Sport-age? 
The trunk finishing looks very clean and German-like in quality and there are even 2 (!) subwoofers in there.

That's because the C'eed competes with the Golf (mentioned in that thread), so it has to be of high quality as well.

[Mike-NB]

If Ford had offered the Mondeo/Fusion wagon in Canada in 2016/2017 I can guarantee you that one of those would be in my garage right now.  Beautiful.  Simply beautiful.  But since our American cousins, and increasingly Canadians too, would rather have the clap than a wagon we can't get them.  Wagons that it.  I could probably get the clap pretty easily with the payment of $50.