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Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« on: January 11, 2019, 06:39:59 am »
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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 06:51:33 am »
Wow, $40k for the TRD??   ???  No mention of that weird flat spot in the torque curve right around 4k rpm?
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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 11:28:01 am »
I feel like Toyota and Honda partnering on this project would have been great. Toyota could have done the chassis and styling, and Honda could have done the engine and transmission.

Imagine this car with the K24 and sweet transmission from the S2000.

One can dream.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 11:38:52 am »
Sorry, this car is always been about buying the cheapest one available, not spending $40k on a branding exercise to get some fancy floormats and pinstripes. Can you not make a modern equivalent of an SR20DET to shove in this thing, this car with 250-300hp and a bit over 200 lb ft of torque, it would be perfect.
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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 11:42:39 am »
I've driven an older version of this car, but they're pretty much the same thing. Easily one of the best chassis you'll find anywhere. So balanced, so fun. The engines power is enough to have fun, but I agree the character of it isn't really suited to the car.

I think the sweet spot for power output in these lightweight RWD cars is 250-300hp. I've driven both a 300hp Miata and a 540hp Miata and actually prefer the 300hp version. It's more than enough power to have fun with, but not stupid power threatening to kill you at any time.

This car would be perfect with 300hp and engine with a high-strung feel to it.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 11:53:29 am »
I've driven an older version of this car, but they're pretty much the same thing. Easily one of the best chassis you'll find anywhere. So balanced, so fun. The engines power is enough to have fun, but I agree the character of it isn't really suited to the car.

I think the sweet spot for power output in these lightweight RWD cars is 250-300hp. I've driven both a 300hp Miata and a 540hp Miata and actually prefer the 300hp version. It's more than enough power to have fun with, but not stupid power threatening to kill you at any time.

This car would be perfect with 300hp and engine with a high-strung feel to it.

How about a 240hp K24?

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 12:06:25 pm »
Nobody ever tried to fit a 2JZ-GTE in one of these?

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 12:20:58 pm »
I've only ever driven this car in the automatic variety and it's super fun to drive. Drivers who don't live anywhere close to twisty roads need not apply.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 12:22:43 pm »
I've only ever driven this car in the automatic variety and it's super fun to drive. Drivers who don't live anywhere close to twisty roads need not apply.

Yeah, but if you were to take it to the mountains it wouldn't have enough power to have fun with.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 12:37:51 pm »
I've only ever driven this car in the automatic variety and it's super fun to drive. Drivers who don't live anywhere close to twisty roads need not apply.

Yeah, but if you were to take it to the mountains it wouldn't have enough power to have fun with.

Twisty roads aren't about power, they're about handling. Taking a 30 km/h turn at a high rate of speed so you don't have to accelerate back to speed out of a corner.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 06:36:42 pm »
Article doesn't even identify tire size other than 18".  ::)

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 12:45:35 pm »
I've only ever driven this car in the automatic variety and it's super fun to drive. Drivers who don't live anywhere close to twisty roads need not apply.

Yeah, but if you were to take it to the mountains it wouldn't have enough power to have fun with.

Twisty roads aren't about power, they're about handling. Taking a 30 km/h turn at a high rate of speed so you don't have to accelerate back to speed out of a corner.

That's why he said mountains.  When the road tilts up, the absence of power is laid bare.  Ask any cyclist. Other than Quad - he's not human.  :rofl2:

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 07:16:08 pm »
I've only ever driven this car in the automatic variety and it's super fun to drive. Drivers who don't live anywhere close to twisty roads need not apply.

Yeah, but if you were to take it to the mountains it wouldn't have enough power to have fun with.

Twisty roads aren't about power, they're about handling. Taking a 30 km/h turn at a high rate of speed so you don't have to accelerate back to speed out of a corner.

That's why he said mountains.  When the road tilts up, the absence of power is laid bare.  Ask any cyclist. Other than Quad - he's not human.  :rofl2:
not only that, but if increasing the altitude, that reduces power substantially and where a forced induction engine shines.
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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2019, 12:21:42 am »
3 buddies of mine own this car, 1 auto and 2 manual. Both automatic and manual are very fun. Manual versions are super easy to shift and are pretty good for beginners. The chassis is excellent and very flat in corners. Power is OK around town however it needs minimum 250 HP to really shine.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 09:45:36 pm »
The chassis can easily handle more power.  It's really a great platform, and I hope it doesn't fade away due to low sales.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 10:05:50 am »
North America must be the only place where the GT86 remotely sells.

I've scarcely seen perhaps 3 or 4 in France and Germany, and no surprise. It's starting pricing price of 34 k€ for the base variant is in the thick of other sporty rear-drive cars, it's 2 door format makes it not very practical, and it's high CO² emissions make running costs (tax, insurance, parts/repairs) quite high.
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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2019, 12:51:55 am »
It's stale cake, but they keep putting icing packages on them hoping to sell a few. Saw one at the dealer's last summer with enough balloons on it to attract a cub scout troop trolling for arm patches.

And that's all she wrote about this rolling disappointment. Have driven 3. The auto felt best to be honest. The manuals show up the less than brawny engine. First one I drove was in May 2012 when they first came out. I was hot to trot. Not a remote chance I'd buy it though after the first  quarter of a mile trudging up the hill from the dealer to the highway, cheap steering wheel in hand and bolts in a washer soundtrack. A less eager car I"ve never driven. A Civic was livelier around town. Far more so.  So if I drive it like a chicken with its head in a wringer to get its handling point and experience the huge powerband from 6,000 to 7200 rpm, how long would it take for Sgt McGee to issue me a stunting ticket? Sure, there's a time and a place for having a real go, but 90% of the time you're going to have to drive it slowly in traffic. At that task, it snores (loudly) like a champ at a snoozefest.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2019, 03:43:00 pm »
I've only ever driven this car in the automatic variety and it's super fun to drive. Drivers who don't live anywhere close to twisty roads need not apply.

Yeah, but if you were to take it to the mountains it wouldn't have enough power to have fun with.
I don't know about that.

Really depends on the kind of driving you do. On a road course with some straight stretches, you need some power, but at Autocross, power doesn't matter as much and you are better off with a lighter car.

And honestly, squeezing out 205 BHP out of a cheap, relatively reliable 2.0L NA engine is pretty dang good already. Throwing a turbo on it increases the power, but it's hard to do cheaply and I love the predictible nature of an NA engine.

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2019, 04:03:46 pm »
Let's see.  The car weighs 2800lbs and has 205hp.  That's 13.6lbs/hp.  Not amazing, but not making it incapable of having a lot of fun.  I have a lot of fun in my Miata which has a much worse power:weight.

I do think the car would be much closer to perfection with an extra 50-75hp, but that doesn't mean it's horrible to drive as is.

Chris really had a ball with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g

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Re: Test Drive: 2019 Toyota 86 GT Manual
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2019, 04:17:30 pm »
Let's see.  The car weighs 2800lbs and has 205hp.  That's 13.6lbs/hp.  Not amazing, but not making it incapable of having a lot of fun.  I have a lot of fun in my Miata which has a much worse power:weight.

I do think the car would be much closer to perfection with an extra 50-75hp, but that doesn't mean it's horrible to drive as is.

Chris really had a ball with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g

If this car had have come out in 2005, they wouldn't have been able to keep it on the lots.  Unfortunately, people want easy torque now and with a small engine, turbocharging is the way to go.
Then go to a Ford dealer and buy an Ecoboost Mustang, or even a Honda dealer and buy a Civic Si.

I actually prefer NA engines. Life is too short waiting for turbo lags.