Topic: New vs Newer: 2018 vs 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe

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[dirtyjeffer]

the engine choices in this do not mimic the new Sorento completely...while the 2.4L is the same, the 2.0T engine was dropped for 2019 models and has been exclusively replaced with the 3.3L V6...having the 2.0T in our Sorento, i can say it is a great engine for this vehicle...right away torque and decent power all over the rev range...so, if you are considering the new Santa Fe, spring for the 2.0T engine, it's a gem...if you prefer a V6, head next door to the Kia store and check out the Sorento as they offer the V6 as the up level engine option.

[ArticSteve]

The 2019 santa fa is a giant set up from the 2018 Santa fa sport.  Took it for a good burn.     However, IMO, it runs out of guts on the highway pass.  Worse than the new RDX, but in the same vane.  2.0 L turbo does not replace a V6.  Moreover a DI engine, without port injection, plus turbo will be a vehicle you want to get rid of before 160K km.  Hence resale might not be great in the later years.

[carcrazed]

The 2019 santa fa is a giant set up from the 2018 Santa fa sport.  Took it for a good burn.     However, IMO, it runs out of guts on the highway pass.  Worse than the new RDX, but in the same vane.  2.0 L turbo does not replace a V6.  Moreover a DI engine, without port injection, plus turbo will be a vehicle you want to get rid of before 160K km.  Hence resale might not be great in the later years.

Resale was never good for the brand anyway. 

I took the 2.4L for a test drive twice and the engine that had barely 50KM on it performed pretty well.  I was coming out of a 10 year old Honda/Acura V6 that probably lost a lot of its HP over the years; so I was okay enough even with the 2.4L.  I can't stand the lag in turbo engines.  Tiguan with turbo 2.0 with its turbo lag didn't pass my test even after two test drives.  I didn't feel like I could get used to it.

The 2019 Santa Fe in the Preferred trim with 2.4L was REALLY close to beating out the Forester for a spot on our driveway.  I just felt like Santa Fe will be everywhere in a year or two.  I just saw two on my 15-minute walk from the union station to work this morning.

[Blueprint]

C&D reports that Hyundai dropped plans for the diesel version, as well as the 3-row option.

[tortoise]

Dropping the diesel I get.  Losing the 3rd row is a mistake.

[Gurgie]

Not a bad looker! I drove the Sante Fe Sport back in 2014 when I was looking at replacing my V70.. it drove great with the 2.0T and was loaded for the price... just wasn't crazy about the interior, same goes for this new model.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Dropping the diesel I get.  Losing the 3rd row is a mistake.

Their new big SUV has 3rd row , so it will be ok

[ArticSteve]

Dropping the diesel I get.  Losing the 3rd row is a mistake.

Not enough room and not enough get up and go for 3rd row. As AB just mentioned the Palisades is for that.

Finally Hyundai has something with these models.   

[dirtyjeffer]

I can't stand the lag in turbo engines.

i don't get this comment...max torque comes on very low (around 1500 rpm), so if you give it some throttle, if feels like the 2.4L for maybe 1 second, then feels like a strong V6 without having to rev it to 4500 RPM...the 2.4L will always feel like the 2.4L...i've used Sport mode (sharpens up throttle response and shifting) a few times in our Sorento (for when you need to give 'er to merge over a lane) and it's downright quick...under "regular" driving, there is no lag to notice, it gets up and moving effortlessly...keep in mind, when we bought it, i went in to get the V6...driving the 2.0T changed my mind, it's a great engine for this vehicle.

[Gurgie]

I can't stand the lag in turbo engines.

i don't get this comment...max torque comes on very low (around 1500 rpm), so if you give it some throttle, if feels like the 2.4L for maybe 1 second, then feels like a strong V6 without having to rev it to 4500 RPM...the 2.4L will always feel like the 2.4L...i've used Sport mode (sharpens up throttle response and shifting) a few times in our Sorento (for when you need to give 'er to merge over a lane) and it's downright quick...under "regular" driving, there is no lag to notice, it gets up and moving effortlessly...keep in mind, when we bought it, i went in to get the V6...driving the 2.0T changed my mind, it's a great engine for this vehicle.

Yeah, there's no lag... or very little lag in those 2.0T's... Want lag, drive an 80's turbo like my 951, it's a dog until 3000rpm & then takes off like a banshee 

[Jaeger]

I can't stand the lag in turbo engines.

i don't get this comment...max torque comes on very low (around 1500 rpm), so if you give it some throttle, if feels like the 2.4L for maybe 1 second, then feels like a strong V6 without having to rev it to 4500 RPM...the 2.4L will always feel like the 2.4L...i've used Sport mode (sharpens up throttle response and shifting) a few times in our Sorento (for when you need to give 'er to merge over a lane) and it's downright quick...under "regular" driving, there is no lag to notice, it gets up and moving effortlessly...keep in mind, when we bought it, i went in to get the V6...driving the 2.0T changed my mind, it's a great engine for this vehicle.

Indeed.  In fact if you're used to the punchy low rpm torque of contemporary turbo motors, naturally aspirated engines can feel "laggy" because they need revs to make hay.

[dirtyjeffer]

I can't stand the lag in turbo engines.

i don't get this comment...max torque comes on very low (around 1500 rpm), so if you give it some throttle, if feels like the 2.4L for maybe 1 second, then feels like a strong V6 without having to rev it to 4500 RPM...the 2.4L will always feel like the 2.4L...i've used Sport mode (sharpens up throttle response and shifting) a few times in our Sorento (for when you need to give 'er to merge over a lane) and it's downright quick...under "regular" driving, there is no lag to notice, it gets up and moving effortlessly...keep in mind, when we bought it, i went in to get the V6...driving the 2.0T changed my mind, it's a great engine for this vehicle.

Yeah, there's no lag... or very little lag in those 2.0T's... Want lag, drive an 80's turbo like my 951, it's a dog until 3000rpm & then takes off like a banshee 

my old '89 Mazda MX-GT was like that too...felt like a regular car below about 3500 RPM then went like stink above that.

[Gurgie]

I can't stand the lag in turbo engines.

i don't get this comment...max torque comes on very low (around 1500 rpm), so if you give it some throttle, if feels like the 2.4L for maybe 1 second, then feels like a strong V6 without having to rev it to 4500 RPM...the 2.4L will always feel like the 2.4L...i've used Sport mode (sharpens up throttle response and shifting) a few times in our Sorento (for when you need to give 'er to merge over a lane) and it's downright quick...under "regular" driving, there is no lag to notice, it gets up and moving effortlessly...keep in mind, when we bought it, i went in to get the V6...driving the 2.0T changed my mind, it's a great engine for this vehicle.

Yeah, there's no lag... or very little lag in those 2.0T's... Want lag, drive an 80's turbo like my 951, it's a dog until 3000rpm & then takes off like a banshee 

my old '89 Mazda MX-GT was like that too...felt like a regular car below about 3500 RPM then went like stink above that.

Yup! Drove a 88 626 turbo, same thing! Or my buddies 1986 Dodge Daytona, it was on or off, lol!

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[carcrazed]

I can't stand the lag in turbo engines.

i don't get this comment...max torque comes on very low (around 1500 rpm), so if you give it some throttle, if feels like the 2.4L for maybe 1 second, then feels like a strong V6 without having to rev it to 4500 RPM...the 2.4L will always feel like the 2.4L...i've used Sport mode (sharpens up throttle response and shifting) a few times in our Sorento (for when you need to give 'er to merge over a lane) and it's downright quick...under "regular" driving, there is no lag to notice, it gets up and moving effortlessly...keep in mind, when we bought it, i went in to get the V6...driving the 2.0T changed my mind, it's a great engine for this vehicle.

It's just the way I felt coming straight out of the MDX. Even the VW sales guy agreed with me during the first test drive. Even my wife, who has only been driving for a year by herself, noticed it right away.

I don't expect others to agree with me. And I'm sure most people get used to it after a while. My friend with his last gen Tiguan said he got used to it after a while.

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[tortoise]

I think one issue with the Tiguan is the throttle mapping.  Similar to my Golf it's supposed to need a lot of input to get power.  Owners have changed the throttle mapping using VCDS and apparently it makes the Tiguan feel a lot livelier.

Though the weight/power ratio does it no favours.

[dirtyjeffer]

I think one issue with the Tiguan is the throttle mapping.  Similar to my Golf it's supposed to need a lot of input to get power. 

it's likely done that way for fuel economy as well as to keep the ride smooth during stop and go (perhaps especially with a DSG)...i find our Sorento requires little throttle to get power (not because it is so powerful, just the mapping)...especially so in Sport Mode.

[carcrazed]

I think one issue with the Tiguan is the throttle mapping.  Similar to my Golf it's supposed to need a lot of input to get power.  Owners have changed the throttle mapping using VCDS and apparently it makes the Tiguan feel a lot livelier.

Though the weight/power ratio does it no favours.

I think so, too. I'm sure 2.0T has plenty of power for the car once the driver gets used to it. I do have a relatively easy access to a tune so I could have gone with the a Tiguan if I had enough time to look into it further.

The Forester in S mode was a rocket in comparison to the Tiguan based on what I felt at the time.

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[tortoise]

Jeff, the Tiguan uses a conventional auto.

carcrazed, as far as I know they haven't been able to get a tune on the Tiguan. Something about VW using a new ECU and the tuners not being able to crack it.

[dirtyjeffer]

Jeff, the Tiguan uses a conventional auto.

ah, i know they have both types of transmissions, but wasn't sure which one was in the Tiguan...personally, i prefer a conventional automatic, just for the lower maintenance and lack of low speed shuddering issues that seem to be somewhat common.