Topic: 2017 or 2019 BMW 240i?

[JohnnyMac]

I'd just go with the 2017, it'll have a warranty throughout the time you own it (which from the looks of it is about 3 years max).

As for what to do with the kids being dropped off I guess it all depends on how big the kids are.  I could see younger kids being perfectly fine in the back of the 2 series. 

[Blueprint]

Ok, so I think what I really want is a BMW 240i X Drive.  There are currently three options available at our local BMW dealership, one 2017, one 2018 and one 2019.  I am ruling out the 2018 right off the bat, it's red in a really red kind of way so it's not working for me. 

Option 2 is a 2017 silver with premium and exec packages, it's called CPO but it only has 300 kms and has never been owned, it has an in service date of Dec 2017 but it isn't plated.   MSRP with freight and pdi and whatnot is about $62K before tax.  They are offering me $9,500 off now with a free performance exhaust so about $11,000 discounts and the CPO rate is 1.9% over 5 years.  I'm a bit concerned because this is now technically a two year old model and silver is not my #1 favorite color but very acceptable.

Option 3 is a just arrived grey metallic 2019 with performance exhaust and premium package and msrp of $62K before tax.  The rates are not as good as the 2017 and there are no discounts since this is a new model.  The thing is I like this color more than the silver.  I could do the balloon option and have about the same payment but still be on the hook for $18K at the end of five years. 

On top of this the BMW guy is saying they have a national CPO promo starting next week so likely I can do even better on the 2017.  I'm leaning towards the 2017, they really want to move it but the metallic grey just looks so nice.  I spent an hour driving the 240i today and it seems so perfect.  Not much back seat room but we have an F-150 for that.  I think just by typing this I've talked myself into the 2017 but I'm always open to other opinions, thanks.

I'd like to hear from anyone that has a 240i.

for this money go with Alfa Giulia , more car for same money

There are no dealers here and I'm not a fan of the front styling on the Alfa to be honest.

...and judging by Car and Driver's long term experience with their Giulia, you'll be spending more time at the wheel of Chrysler 300 loaners while the Alfa sits in the shop 

[Blueprint]

I would go with the 2017 and try to sweeten the deal even more. Of course, I'm biased as I love silver, and it's Germany's national racing colour 

[valuator]

I'd go with the 2017 I think....but I'd be curious see your total cost, including interest, on both options, less what you think the cars are worth 5 years from now.  I bet the actual depreciation on the 2017 is a large chunk of your discount, and the 5 year "total cost" might be relatively close. 

FWIW I bought a 2011, as new, in spring 2012 and combined a serious break on the price with whatever the current new car financing rate promotions were....1.9% I think.  Anyway, at the time my "leftover" was as cheap as a 1-2 year old CPO in terms of cost of ownership.

[Hammy]

I'd go with the 2017 I think....but I'd be curious see your total cost, including interest, on both options, less what you think the cars are worth 5 years from now.  I bet the actual depreciation on the 2017 is a large chunk of your discount, and the 5 year "total cost" might be relatively close. 

FWIW I bought a 2011, as new, in spring 2012 and combined a serious break on the price with whatever the current new car financing rate promotions were....1.9% I think.  Anyway, at the time my "leftover" was as cheap as a 1-2 year old CPO in terms of cost of ownership.

To boil it down and sort of over simplify over 5 years I had them do up similar payments for both, the 2017 has a 1.9% rate straight five years and the 2019 is 3.9% with balloon payment after 5 years.  For the 2019 the balloon payment was about $18,000 at the end of five years.  In five years time the differential between those 2 cars won't be $18,000 certainly but it would be probably $7K to $10K.  So then its do I like the color and newness factor enough to bridge that gap.....

[rrocket]

^^Here's a gloss gray metallic wrap on a BMW...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcbdhQB-f_0




Same one on an R8

[superukr]

Ok, so I think what I really want is a BMW 240i X Drive.  There are currently three options available at our local BMW dealership, one 2017, one 2018 and one 2019.  I am ruling out the 2018 right off the bat, it's red in a really red kind of way so it's not working for me. 

Option 2 is a 2017 silver with premium and exec packages, it's called CPO but it only has 300 kms and has never been owned, it has an in service date of Dec 2017 but it isn't plated.   MSRP with freight and pdi and whatnot is about $62K before tax.  They are offering me $9,500 off now with a free performance exhaust so about $11,000 discounts and the CPO rate is 1.9% over 5 years.  I'm a bit concerned because this is now technically a two year old model and silver is not my #1 favorite color but very acceptable.

Option 3 is a just arrived grey metallic 2019 with performance exhaust and premium package and msrp of $62K before tax.  The rates are not as good as the 2017 and there are no discounts since this is a new model.  The thing is I like this color more than the silver.  I could do the balloon option and have about the same payment but still be on the hook for $18K at the end of five years. 

On top of this the BMW guy is saying they have a national CPO promo starting next week so likely I can do even better on the 2017.  I'm leaning towards the 2017, they really want to move it but the metallic grey just looks so nice.  I spent an hour driving the 240i today and it seems so perfect.  Not much back seat room but we have an F-150 for that.  I think just by typing this I've talked myself into the 2017 but I'm always open to other opinions, thanks.

I'd like to hear from anyone that has a 240i.

for this money go with Alfa Giulia , more car for same money

There are no dealers here and I'm not a fan of the front styling on the Alfa to be honest.

...and judging by Car and Driver's long term experience with their Giulia, you'll be spending more time at the wheel of Chrysler 300 loaners while the Alfa sits in the shop 

oddly 15 month and 30k later I had no such BS

[OliverD]

I wonder if other people have had problems with their BMW's 🤔
https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=94595.0   

That guy did seem to have some issues...... good thing he also has a short memory.

I can't believe you're seriously considering going back to the brand.  That would have turned me off for a very, very long time.

IIRC that was an older 335i with the N54 which has a lot of known issues. The B58 in the *40i cars seems to be reliable and he'll have a warranty anyways.

I think I'd go with the silver one. That's a big discount. The 2018 LCI was also very minor so the cars are practically identical.

[Gurgie]

I wonder if other people have had problems with their BMW's 🤔
https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=94595.0   

That guy did seem to have some issues...... good thing he also has a short memory.

I can't believe you're seriously considering going back to the brand.  That would have turned me off for a very, very long time.

IIRC that was an older 335i with the N54 which has a lot of known issues. The B58 in the *40i cars seems to be reliable and he'll have a warranty anyways.

I think I'd go with the silver one. That's a big discount. The 2018 LCI was also very minor so the cars are practically identical.

Was his an N54? Or N55?

[Hammy]

My third consideration is an Audi RS3, but there won't be any 2019's available until the Spring.  I'll be an extra $2500 into brakes and service on the Golf by then but I'll also have it paid off a bit more so come out a bit better on the trade.  I really like the look of them but have never driven one, anyone have experience with an RS3?  It's ballpark the same price as a 2019 BMW 240i X Drive.

[rrocket]

My third consideration is an Audi RS3, but there won't be any 2019's available until the Spring.  I'll be an extra $2500 into brakes and service on the Golf by then but I'll also have it paid off a bit more so come out a bit better on the trade.  I really like the look of them but have never driven one, anyone have experience with an RS3?  It's ballpark the same price as a 2019 BMW 240i X Drive.

You will buy it on engine noise/performance alone....nearly sounds like a V10.

Have driven it in the TT-RS.  I warned Snowman not to test drive it as he'd buy it.....I was right.

That would be my pick by far....engine is incredible!

[Gurgie]

My third consideration is an Audi RS3, but there won't be any 2019's available until the Spring.  I'll be an extra $2500 into brakes and service on the Golf by then but I'll also have it paid off a bit more so come out a bit better on the trade.  I really like the look of them but have never driven one, anyone have experience with an RS3?  It's ballpark the same price as a 2019 BMW 240i X Drive.

I haven't driven one, but my buddy with the 2016 M235i is considering buying the RS3 next. He test drove one a little while back and came away quite impressed with it. He wasn't crazy about the wheel package that came on the 2018's, so now he's waiting for a 2019... but he figures it'll be around $72k out the door 

For me, I prefer to get a deal, so I'd be all over the 2017 240... you won't take the big hit when you drive it off the lot, it will end up being a lower mileage 2017 (because it's not getting on the road until almost end of 2018) when you go to trade it in or sell it. I bought my 2015 JGC in June of 2016 with 1k kms and now I'm at 50k kms which is considered low mileage for the year, so its holding a decent value because of that. But if you want the latest & greatest... then the RS3 is the choice, you'll have to pay for it dearly though 

[mlin32]

I want to like the RS3, but I'd always have in the back of my head ...."It's a VW Golf......". Plus, I'm not a fan of the angular styling of Audis (*yawn*) and BMW to me has always seemed to me to be the more......unhinged/fun car. Even their AWD system is a lot more fun.

[OliverD]

My third consideration is an Audi RS3, but there won't be any 2019's available until the Spring.  I'll be an extra $2500 into brakes and service on the Golf by then but I'll also have it paid off a bit more so come out a bit better on the trade.  I really like the look of them but have never driven one, anyone have experience with an RS3?  It's ballpark the same price as a 2019 BMW 240i X Drive.

Will the dealer even stock them so you can test drive one?

Sounds like you need to spend a weekend in Toronto or Montreal test driving some cars.

[OliverD]

I think he said he drove the C43 but preferred the M240i.

[OliverD]

That would definitely be my choice, AWD be damned.

[Hammy]

I think he said he drove the C43 but preferred the M240i.

I think he said he drove the C43 but preferred the M240i.

I think he said he drove the C43 but preferred the M240i.

Fair enough - that is a good argument for opting for the 240i.

So if you're willing to pony up for an RS3 why not M2 with a stick?

Couple of reasons but the main one being we have terrible winters here and I like the extra comfort that comes from driving an AWD.  From your earlier post I could go with something like an S4, I'm not a fan of the Mercedes after my test drive of the AMG C43.  And yes I am a bit all over the place still, there's just too many nice car options to choose from!

[OliverD]

A loaded M2 Competition stickers for about $80k.

[DriverJeff]

My third consideration is an Audi RS3, but there won't be any 2019's available until the Spring.  I'll be an extra $2500 into brakes and service on the Golf by then but I'll also have it paid off a bit more so come out a bit better on the trade.  I really like the look of them but have never driven one, anyone have experience with an RS3?  It's ballpark the same price as a 2019 BMW 240i X Drive.

You will buy it on engine noise/performance alone....nearly sounds like a V10.

Have driven it in the TT-RS.  I warned Snowman not to test drive it as he'd buy it.....I was right.

That would be my pick by far....engine is incredible!

Rrocket is right, the character of that engine alone will be enough to make most enthusiasts wet themselves with glee, then whip out the chequebook.  It is that good.   

I've logged a number of miles in the RS3 (https://www.autotrader.ca/expert/20170322/first-drive-2018-audi-rs3-sedan/), the M2 (https://www.autotrader.ca/expert/20160713/test-drive-2016-bmw-m2/) and the M240i.  I really like the 240i, but honestly, it's nowhere near as visceral or enjoyable as the other two machines.  If you're looking at a lightly-used CPO 240, why not the same in either an RS3 or M2? 

[lebowski]

I have forgotten if you addressed this in a previous thread, but given your budget, any reason why you would not consider a mint 996 (or slightly less mint 997) 911 Turbo? Is it because back seats would be too small?