Author Topic: Test Drive: 2018 Ford F-150 Power Stroke Turbo Diesel (Read 4721 times)

AutoTrader.ca · « **on:** August 31, 2018, 08:45:59 am »

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Gurgie · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2018, 10:02:35 am »

Cool! It's about time there's some competition in the half ton market with diesel's. I have no complaints about my Ecodiesel in the JGC, and this thing sounds even more refined, good job Ford! Now this will make FCA step up their game, which will lead to better products for us consumers

dirtyjeffer · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2018, 10:17:24 pm »

$87k for this truck, and the interior looks like it belongs in a $40k trim...say what you will about the RAM, they nailed the interior...i still think it's the best new truck.

revalations · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2018, 10:21:21 pm »

Quote from: dirtyjeffer on August 31, 2018, 10:17:24 pm

$87k for this truck, and the interior looks like it belongs in a $40k trim...say what you will about the RAM, they nailed the interior...i still think it's the best new truck.

Best interior I agree, but far behind everyone else in powertrains. Lowest HP/TQ top engine, lowest HP base engine, least amount of all important gears in the gearbox, and only 2 engine choices. Think the top spot as far a truck goesw to Ford or GM. As a luxo truck the Ram takes the cake.

dirtyjeffer · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2018, 10:48:40 pm »

Quote from: revalations on August 31, 2018, 10:21:21 pm

Quote from: dirtyjeffer on August 31, 2018, 10:17:24 pm
$87k for this truck, and the interior looks like it belongs in a $40k trim...say what you will about the RAM, they nailed the interior...i still think it's the best new truck.

Best interior I agree, but far behind everyone else in powertrains. Lowest HP/TQ top engine, lowest HP base engine, least amount of all important gears in the gearbox, and only 2 engine choices. Think the top spot as far a truck goesw to Ford or GM. As a luxo truck the Ram takes the cake.

i think the 5.7L Hemi is still pretty competitive...i haven't heard any issues with it either...sure, not the most HP and TQ, but still a good engine...a lot of trucks are purchased as replacements for the family car and used as daily drivers...for those buyers (of which, there's a lot of them), the RAM is likely the best.

Firm · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2018, 10:50:28 pm »

I have this truck in my driveway right now. The Diesel is incredible; so refined, nice linear power delivery - and lots of it, just excellent. I've been commuting in it during GTA rush hour and my average for the week is sitting at 10.3L. IMO, with a diesel this good there's no reason to buy a gasser LD pickup.

That said, engine aside the F-150 is current the worst of the big 3 domestic truck platforms IMO....As noted, the interior in this Platinum is what I'd call "nice work truck" grade, the 10-speed is choppy at low speeds, and most of all the ride quality is actually terrible in comparison to it's competitors, even the steering feels clumsy. I had the new Ram the week before this, and while the 5.7L HEMI is long-in-the-tooth now, the rest of that truck is much nicer in just about every respect....Heck, even my 2014 Ram on gnarly 35" A/T tires rides much better than this F-150. The GM's are a nice middle ground, not as luxurious as the Ram, but their gasser engine options are much better, and it still rides much, much better than the Ford.

EV-Light · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2018, 12:16:43 am »

Quote from: Firm on August 31, 2018, 10:50:28 pm

I have this truck in my driveway right now. The Diesel is incredible; so refined, nice linear power delivery - and lots of it, just excellent. I've been commuting in it during GTA rush hour and my average for the week is sitting at 10.3L. IMO, with a diesel this good there's no reason to buy a gasser LD pickup.

That said, engine aside the F-150 is current the worst of the big 3 domestic truck platforms IMO....As noted, the interior in this Platinum is what I'd call "nice work truck" grade, the 10-speed is choppy at low speeds, and most of all the ride quality is actually terrible in comparison to it's competitors, even the steering feels clumsy. I had the new Ram the week before this, and while the 5.7L HEMI is long-in-the-tooth now, the rest of that truck is much nicer in just about every respect....Heck, even my 2014 Ram on gnarly 35" A/T tires rides much better than this F-150. The GM's are a nice middle ground, not as luxurious as the Ram, but their gasser engine options are much better, and it still rides much, much better than the Ford.

Edmunds disagree....and I agree with their review, the GM interior and the whole truck simply doesn’t measure up to the F150 and Ram - it’s a new truck but feels more like a refresh...

https://youtu.be/3g9Y40QSS-U

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dirtyjeffer · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2018, 09:38:51 am »

Quote from: Tauri13 on September 01, 2018, 12:16:43 am

Quote from: Firm on August 31, 2018, 10:50:28 pm
I have this truck in my driveway right now. The Diesel is incredible; so refined, nice linear power delivery - and lots of it, just excellent. I've been commuting in it during GTA rush hour and my average for the week is sitting at 10.3L. IMO, with a diesel this good there's no reason to buy a gasser LD pickup.

That said, engine aside the F-150 is current the worst of the big 3 domestic truck platforms IMO....As noted, the interior in this Platinum is what I'd call "nice work truck" grade, the 10-speed is choppy at low speeds, and most of all the ride quality is actually terrible in comparison to it's competitors, even the steering feels clumsy. I had the new Ram the week before this, and while the 5.7L HEMI is long-in-the-tooth now, the rest of that truck is much nicer in just about every respect....Heck, even my 2014 Ram on gnarly 35" A/T tires rides much better than this F-150. The GM's are a nice middle ground, not as luxurious as the Ram, but their gasser engine options are much better, and it still rides much, much better than the Ford.

Edmunds disagree....and I agree with their review, the GM interior and the whole truck simply doesn’t measure up to the F150 and Ram - it’s a new truck but feels more like a refresh...

https://youtu.be/3g9Y40QSS-U

interesting review...pretty much mirrors my comments, including the point about many people now buying trucks to use as a daily driver (replacing the "family sedan").

all 3 of these trucks are good trucks, i just think the new RAM is most likely to win converts (which should help increase sales).

tooscoops · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2018, 10:15:31 am »

yeah, if price was further down on the priorities... from what I have seen over a long time of selling trucks, as much as everyone likes something from each, it nearly all comes down to the cost.

Gurgie · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2018, 10:21:48 am »

I could easily see myself in an ecodiesel Ram, I think it's a great truck & when they're on sale (like they are now), you're getting a lotta truck for the money. The Laramie on Tooscoops lot for $52k is pretty close to what I paid for my JGC ecodiesel 2yrs ago & just as luxurious.

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Seafoam · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2018, 11:06:14 am »

Lets hope the diesel isn't like ford's previous efforts.

tpl · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2018, 04:21:44 pm »

I wonder how much it would cost to make a diesel-electric pickup truck. A relatively small diesel driving a generator and do the AWD thing with a couple of electric motors from a Chevy Volt or a Tesla. This would only be viable on a F350 or something that size or bigger.

dirtyjeffer · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2018, 10:18:08 am »

Quote from: tpl on September 01, 2018, 04:21:44 pm

I wonder how much it would cost to make a diesel-electric pickup truck. A relatively small diesel driving a generator and do the AWD thing with a couple of electric motors from a Chevy Volt or a Tesla. This would only be viable on a F350 or something that size or bigger.

what you are describing sounds similar to a locomotive...that design would not make sense for a pick up truck...locomotives gain their efficiency through long distance freight haul, with LOTS of freight cars attached...in order for it to make sense in a pick up truck, you'd want a 5th wheel set up, with 40 trailers and drive it across the country...which of course can't be done on roads.

whaddaiknow · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2018, 10:51:26 am »

Quote from: tooscoops on September 01, 2018, 10:15:31 am

yeah, if price was further down on the priorities... from what I have seen over a long time of selling trucks, as much as everyone likes something from each, it nearly all comes down to the cost.

Spot on. As much as I like the new RAM, I couldn't justify it at $50k when comparably equipped F150 could be had for closer to $40k, and that would be my choice despite the "lesser" interior. My excuse for that would be the F150 interior is "good enough".

dirtyjeffer · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2018, 05:41:08 pm »

Quote from: whaddaiknow on September 02, 2018, 10:51:26 am

Quote from: tooscoops on September 01, 2018, 10:15:31 am
yeah, if price was further down on the priorities... from what I have seen over a long time of selling trucks, as much as everyone likes something from each, it nearly all comes down to the cost.

Spot on. As much as I like the new RAM, I couldn't justify it at $50k when comparably equipped F150 could be had for closer to $40k, and that would be my choice despite the "lesser" interior. My excuse for that would be the F150 interior is "good enough".

yea, price will always be something to look at...case in point...i recently saw an ad for the 2018 Sierra clearout...i built a 2018, 4x4 crew cab, 6.0L V8, all terrain elevation edition with a few nice options...big $ discounts and 0% interest/84 months...total cost was $55k over 7 years...the Ram Rebel i like, has minimal discounts (it's still brand new) and 3.99% interest...the Rebel was $85k total cost...as much as i love that Rebel, that GM was $30k less...$30k !!...that's not chump change.

tooscoops · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2018, 12:22:39 pm »

this month will save you at least a few bucks on the rebel! but not that much... maybe 5k less after all is said and done... rates not even as good as last month, but more discount.

Fobroader · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2018, 12:29:34 pm »

Quote from: Seafoam on September 01, 2018, 11:06:14 am

Lets hope the diesel isn't like ford's previous efforts.

What do you possible mean, the 6L, 6.4 and 6.7 were absolutely "amazing" engines....once you put $5-8k worth of "bulletproofing into them

greengs · « **Reply #17 on:** September 06, 2018, 11:12:08 am »

Hard to justify the diesel engine in the Ford lineup. It's $7500 over the 2.7 Ecoboost, if towing heavy stuff that needs more than 2.7, the 3.5 is much better suited for that duty.

Having a payout of over 100,000 kms before taking into account the time value of $ up front is hard to justify in an era where a lot of people get new trucks every 5 years or less. Just like with the civic in the compact segment, the F-150 isn't going anywhere when it comes to being top selling in the segment.

OliverD · « **Reply #18 on:** September 06, 2018, 11:18:13 am »

Quote from: aleksl on September 06, 2018, 11:12:08 am

Hard to justify the diesel engine in the Ford lineup. It's $7500 over the 2.7 Ecoboost, if towing heavy stuff that needs more than 2.7, the 3.5 is much better suited for that duty.

Having a payout of over 100,000 kms before taking into account the time value of $ up front is hard to justify in an era where a lot of people get new trucks every 5 years or less. Just like with the civic in the compact segment, the F-150 isn't going anywhere when it comes to being top selling in the segment.

But this isn't really aimed at buyers who do 2-3 year leases. Also, we also need to consider the resale value of the diesel. It may be substantially more valuable than an EB a few years down the road (likely depending on how reliable it is).

ArticSteve · « **Reply #19 on:** September 06, 2018, 12:57:11 pm »

The devil is in the details with these current diesels. What's the fuel rail pressure on this motor

30K psi Can the hood be opened while the engine is running?

Under full and valid warranty these things are great. Outside of warranty they can be horrible $$$$ particularly the emission systems. They have a purpose but daily driver is not one of them.