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Small cars, no thanks
« on: June 25, 2018, 04:37:41 pm »
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2018, 05:22:06 pm »
well then screw it, all the Miata owners better buy F350 duallies or they are going to die. Those wont get blown over on a windy day...
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2018, 05:31:43 pm »
Quote from: ChaosphereIX on June 25, 2018, 05:22:06 pm
well then screw it, all the Miata owners better buy F350 duallies or they are going to die. Those wont get blown over on a windy day...

I don't think a Miata and some cheap, Korean penalty shitbox are quite the same thing.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2018, 06:34:13 pm »
Lots of cars are sensitive to crosswinds.  Yes, it’s small and light, but my Dad’s ‘81 Volvo 240 felt like a sail at times.  A Honda Fit or Toyota Echo of that vintage would have been equally susceptible to such a situation...
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2018, 07:00:57 pm »
Quote from: Fobroader on June 25, 2018, 05:31:43 pm

I don't think a Miata and some cheap, Korean penalty shitbox are quite the same thing.

You're right.  My NA Miata is about 1% as safe.  It's maybe, just maybe slightly safer than a motorcycle.  And I don't care in the slightest.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2018, 07:15:35 pm »
Quote from: johngenx on June 25, 2018, 07:00:57 pm
Quote from: Fobroader on June 25, 2018, 05:31:43 pm

I don't think a Miata and some cheap, Korean penalty shitbox are quite the same thing.

You're right.  My NA Miata is about 1% as safe.  It's maybe, just maybe slightly safer than a motorcycle.  And I don't care in the slightest.

Given it’s low slung profile, the Miata isn’t gonna be affected by crosswinds, which was the issue here.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2018, 07:19:38 pm »
This situation has roughly zero to do with the size of the car.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2018, 07:21:08 pm »
the title was "small cars, no thanks" so I assumed...

I guess it is not an issue of the car being small, but it being lightweight on garbage suspension, garbage and narrow tires, a tall body with narrow track...
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 07:22:52 pm »
The ‘gust of wind’ comment came fom the driver who caused the accident.  Either she made it up as an excuse to hide that she was most-likely texting, or she reacted incompetently to the ‘gust of wind.’  Also, we have no idea about the state of the tires, suspension, steering, etc.  If these GM-Daewoo things were inherently dangerous in cross winds, we would have had more stories like this.

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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2018, 07:34:37 pm »
Who remembers real VW Bugs in a crosswind?    I do even though I never owned one. Just driving behind one in windy conditions seemed to reinforce that they were just unsafe.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2018, 07:37:12 pm »
Drive a cube truck - holy hell.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2018, 07:42:41 pm »
Quote from: johngenx on June 25, 2018, 07:37:12 pm
Drive a cube truck - holy hell.

15 passenger Econoline.  In Newfoundland.  On a highway that hugs the east coast of the Avalon Peninsula.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 07:43:07 pm »
Quote from: tpl on June 25, 2018, 07:34:37 pm
Who remembers real VW Bugs in a crosswind?    I do even though I never owned one. Just driving behind one in windy conditions seemed to reinforce that they were just unsafe.

Oh yeah. I would drive from TO to Windsor and back multiple times in one. Surprised I survived.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2018, 07:48:19 pm »
My wife’s Forester is far more sensitive to crosswinds than my Outback was or my Explorer is.


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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 07:57:51 pm »
Traditional wisdom has it that heavier cars are less susceptible to crosswinds , well traditional wisdom is no wisdom at all. I had 1972 Fiat 128 - a fwd box that was about 2000 lbs wet. It was one of the most stable car in a crosswind that I’ve ever driven ( also one of the most unreliable as well). In 60 - 100 kph crosswinds (Newfoundland after all )  I could pass or be passed by a semi and the car was as if on rails. No explanation but since that time I no longer accept that weight or size is THE determining factor.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2018, 08:05:15 pm »
A first gen Toyota Tercel was the worst car I've ever driven in a crosswind.  Downright scary!  The bicycle tires didn't help.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2018, 08:12:31 pm »
Panel van worst I've ever driven...Might as well had sails on the thing...
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2018, 08:23:26 pm »
Quote from: keithb on June 25, 2018, 07:57:51 pm
Traditional wisdom has it that heavier cars are less susceptible to crosswinds , well traditional wisdom is no wisdom at all. I had 1972 Fiat 128 - a fwd box that was about 2000 lbs wet. It was one of the most stable car in a crosswind that I’ve ever driven ( also one of the most unreliable as well). In 60 - 100 kph crosswinds (Newfoundland after all )  I could pass or be passed by a semi and the car was as if on rails. No explanation but since that time I no longer accept that weight or size is THE determining factor.

There were very few FIATs in Newfoundland in those days.  One of my classmates’ parents had a ‘74 or so 128 two door in olive.  One of my closest friends’ parents had a ‘74 or so 131 4-door in olive green, and a navy blue late ‘60s 124 coupe.  We all lived in Cowan Heights in St. John’s.
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Re: Small cars, no thanks
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2018, 08:25:49 pm »
"The driver and her dog were not injured."

Nuff said right there...Poofy was probably on her lap - distracted driving.  Cousin got a $600 fine for having his wiener wee little dog on his lap. 
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2018, 08:29:51 pm »
The E46 330xi I had was the most stable car in winds.   It was balanced well f/r and probably had good aero judging by how quiet it was inside.
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