Topic: 2018 Volkswagen Golf Sportwagen 4motion Trendline 6MT 1.8TSI

[EV-Light]

In the above picture, you can do footwell, front vents, and windshield. Which is great.

are you sure though?...typically, that top row of switches (with illumination for choice) only allows one option...so you can have footwell and front vents, but if you put the defroster on, it shuts the others off...the 2nd row can have something alternatively chosen (without disengaging the top row)...recirc and/or rear defroster.

Hmmm it can definitely do the 3 of them...I guarantee you.

I've never seen a vehicle do that before...no vehicle I have ever owned allowed that combination...but then, possibly for a reason...if you're trying to defrost/defog the windshield, you want all the air going there, not trickled up top as it's being used on the other modes...for vehicles with ACC, the default setting is footwell (at least in terms of the heat months).

I never have to deal with that...I remote start in the morning, the remote start in winter activates:
1- max heating, defrost for the windshield
2- heated mirrors on
3- heated rear window on
4- heated seats max option on
5- heated steering wheel on

So by the time I get to the car, 8-10min later....it’s good to go, I haven’t scraped a vehicle in years now lol...

So that setting is useful after you get in the car and want some evenly air distributed among all 3 areas.


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[Solstice2006]

How much has the gas gauge moved during that time?

[dirtyjeffer]

How much has the gas gauge moved during that time?

wasted fuel is only one part of it...idling is really bad for the vehicle...emissions systems, oil, numerous other components...your car warms up with 2 minutes of driving better than letting it idle for 10 minutes and you aren't damaging everything doing it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-idling-your-car-in-the-morning-is-doing-to-your-engine-and-its-not-good-2016-1

[EV-Light]

How much has the gas gauge moved during that time?

It cost me nothing...I had the same argument with a friend, cost is like $3/month.

Even if it was $XX, I’d pay it...nothing like leaving the house and getting into a warm vehicle! There’s no price to that...


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[EV-Light]

How much has the gas gauge moved during that time?

wasted fuel is only one part of it...idling is really bad for the vehicle...emissions systems, oil, numerous other components...your car warms up with 2 minutes of driving better than letting it idle for 10 minutes and you aren't damaging everything doing it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-idling-your-car-in-the-morning-is-doing-to-your-engine-and-its-not-good-2016-1

Blah blah blah....I guess we are destroying our cars in traffic on a daily basis. Plus I really don’t care, i always go with a short lease 24 or 36m.


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[aquadorhj]

"Idling is bad" argument, we've all heard it but given todays oil and engine materials , we are probably looking at 200k+ km to really see tangible difference(i think i reas this somewhere), and idling uses 2-3 liters an hour.

Not that its good for the air, so shouldnt do it unless needed but as far as car is concerned i think its all good.

[tortoise]

Idling 5 days a week for ten minutes would use about 2.6L of gas. At least for a TSI that uses 0.8L/hr.

The principle of uselessly idling your car drives me nuts but if you really want to save gas, drive slower and more efficiently.

[Noto]

Not that its good for the air, so shouldnt do it unless needed but as far as car is concerned i think its all good.

I don't idle to warm the car for me; rather, I idle so that the defoggers can do their job.  I only idle as long as it takes for me to clear snow off my car (or if the inside of windows are frosted, until that melts).

Tortoise, I suspect the TSI uses more than 0.8L/h.  Not sure about the TDI, but I also suspect that idling the diesel won't heat the car even after half hour   (hyperbole)

I was in the Volvo XC60 T8 at the Auto Show.  When the battery was depleted and the engine was running (stopped in traffic), the dash showed usage between 2.6-3.2L/h.  I suspect an I4 uses ~2-2.5L/h depending on displacement, a V6 uses 3-3.5, and a V8 uses 4+.  YMMV, FWIW, IMO.

[pi314]

The car tells me it uses between 0.6 and 1.0 l/hr when idling so tortoise's number is probably spot on.

Still loving the car. I really want to do a road trip.

[Noto]

Odd that the 2.0T in the Volvo used so much more at idle.  I wonder if it's working "harder" to charge the battery at idle, effectively consuming more fuel.  That would make sense.

[tortoise]

Not sure about the TDI, but I also suspect that idling the diesel won't heat the car even after half hour   (hyperbole)

The TDI has an electric heater so in a few minutes it would be blowing warm air.   But the engine wouldn't warm up in the slightest. 

And yeah, 0.8 L/hr is correct.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f149/1-8-2-0-tsi-tell-me-your-idle-fuel-consumpotion-101689.html

[tortoise]

Odd that the 2.0T in the Volvo used so much more at idle.  I wonder if it's working "harder" to charge the battery at idle, effectively consuming more fuel.  That would make sense.

That would be my guess.

[tpl]

My Q5 tells me it uses 1.1 to 1.3 litres/ hour at idle depending on whether the AC is on or not.   That is the 2.0.
If the engine is still cold that can be as much as 1.4 never seen it higher.


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[dkaz]

A vehicle that's cold will use a lot of fuel at idle. I can set the Ultragauge in my Mazda to show L/hour to see how much exactly but I'm guessing in the ~3 L/hour range. ~1 L/hour when idling warm is about right.

I idle when starting up the car for 30 seconds, then drive slowly out of my neighbourhood for a couple of minutes.

When my scooter blew its engine though, my buddy had a theory that I wore the engine out idling so much when I was using it to deliver papers more so than constantly pinning the throttle on the highway.

[Noto]

A vehicle that's cold will use a lot of fuel at idle. I can set the Ultragauge in my Mazda to show L/hour to see how much exactly but I'm guessing in the ~3 L/hour range. ~1 L/hour when idling warm is about right.

I idle when starting up the car for 30 seconds, then drive slowly out of my neighbourhood for a couple of minutes.

When my scooter blew its engine though, my buddy had a theory that I wore the engine out idling so much when I was using it to deliver papers more so than constantly pinning the throttle on the highway.

That was my thought (though the Volvo was far from cold - it was on testdrives all day and I took it at ~3:30pm).  ...but the Fozzie definitely burns through a lot while idling cold.  I mean, for sure <4L/h, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was about that.  The Mazda, too, I suspect would be about 3L/h.  I'm curious to see at -25'C what the TSI would be.

[JohnnyMac]

A vehicle that's cold will use a lot of fuel at idle. I can set the Ultragauge in my Mazda to show L/hour to see how much exactly but I'm guessing in the ~3 L/hour range. ~1 L/hour when idling warm is about right.

I idle when starting up the car for 30 seconds, then drive slowly out of my neighbourhood for a couple of minutes.

When my scooter blew its engine though, my buddy had a theory that I wore the engine out idling so much when I was using it to deliver papers more so than constantly pinning the throttle on the highway.

That was my thought (though the Volvo was far from cold - it was on testdrives all day and I took it at ~3:30pm).  ...but the Fozzie definitely burns through a lot while idling cold.  I mean, for sure <4L/h, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was about that.  The Mazda, too, I suspect would be about 3L/h.  I'm curious to see at -25'C what the TSI would be.

Doesn't the Volvo have both a turbo and supercharger?  Am I wrong for thinking the supercharger would be spinning even at idle and hence be a drain on fuel economy?

[tortoise]

I'm curious to see at -25'C what the TSI would be.

My Q5 tells me it uses 1.1 to 1.3 litres/ hour at idle depending on whether the AC is on or not.   That is the 2.0.
If the engine is still cold that can be as much as 1.4 never seen it higher.

The TDI is about 1.2-1.4 at -25C.  I would guess the TSI is the same.

[pi314]

I refuse to subject my car (and myself) to freezing cold temps just to test this. But I might be able to see what it reads out when I am traveling somewhere.

I installed the aspherical mirrors yesterday. WHAT A DIFFERENCE. It addresses my biggest issue with the car. The mirrors certainly take a bit of getting used to, but they work well... I no longer worry about missing cyclists. Bonus is that the CBSA didn't charge me duties when I went to pick it up 

Now at 1760km and no regrets. Wagon life best life.

[Ex-airbalancer]

I refuse to subject my car (and myself) to freezing cold temps just to test this. But I might be able to see what it reads out when I am traveling somewhere.

I installed the aspherical mirrors yesterday. WHAT A DIFFERENCE. It addresses my biggest issue with the car. The mirrors certainly take a bit of getting used to, but they work well... I no longer worry about missing cyclists. Bonus is that the CBSA didn't charge me duties when I went to pick it up 

Now at 1760km and no regrets. Wagon life best life.

Which mirrors did you get ? Link ?

[pi314]

I refuse to subject my car (and myself) to freezing cold temps just to test this. But I might be able to see what it reads out when I am traveling somewhere.

I installed the aspherical mirrors yesterday. WHAT A DIFFERENCE. It addresses my biggest issue with the car. The mirrors certainly take a bit of getting used to, but they work well... I no longer worry about missing cyclists. Bonus is that the CBSA didn't charge me duties when I went to pick it up 

Now at 1760km and no regrets. Wagon life best life.

Which mirrors did you get ? Link ?

The ones tortoise linked on the first page: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-european-volkswagen-audi-parts/heated-blind-spot-mirror-set/5g0857522akt/

They are noticeably more convex. And there's no "objects in mirror are closer than they appear" message blocking the limited mirror surface area.